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Should I have been Banned?

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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2013, 07:17:50 am »
N> Moar logging pls. =[

I'm super against one form of identification. Maybe I'm just... strict in my own methods with how I do things.

Haine is pretty hax tho. Meep

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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2013, 08:25:56 am »
What else would you log that couldn't be very easily faked to get around punishments?
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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2013, 09:25:42 am »
I think she means for scammed items/accounts. And items that you lended out and never got returned. I'm sure items on banned accounts stay on those accounts themselves unless someone else owned that item, then if they make a ticket they would go through the process of getting the item back to that person, for a fee. Or probably the amount of zeny the item was worth. Idk.

Just saying I think she means the scammed items/accounts recovery rules.

Correct... If YOU are banned, YOUR items are locked on the account. I was referring to different cases, such as if you lent people your items and they betrayed you.

Laven, you were on that other IP for more than a week, logging onto a variety of your different accounts. The account was completely linked to you. That's like saying we shouldn't punish someone who goes to an internet cafe to pull a bunch of crap on someone.

If you go stay at a hotel for a week, does that mean you own it? If you go visit your parents for a week, does that mean you own their house? What about if you go on a cruise ship for a weekend? Can you kick the captain off his boat? What if I forward my domain to a web hosts DNS? Does it make the web host my property? How about I visit your web site on and off for a week? Then it certainly belongs to me, right? I surely hope you don't let your kids(If you have any) visit their grandparents for a week. You might find out that since they were there that long that you've lost custody of your kids.

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I'm sorry, but I don't really understand what your point is? If you decide to share your account information with someone who's going on a cruise and they decide to not on your account, you take responsibility for their actions as well.

We have a few other ways to identify people, I'm just not stating what they are. It's all pretty simple and common sense though. Maybe we should implement something that occasionally takes photos of whoever is playing? :P For your protection.

Honestly though, we haven't had any issues with simply using an IP to help identify people and what accounts they're using. So what if we also logged additional information like Mac addresses or computer ID? Who is to say someone won't just use their brothers computer and then state, "No it was really my brother!! D: "

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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2013, 10:45:52 am »
I think in general it would minimize innocent people getting banned, that's all.

Everyone knows sometimes someone else gets caught in something. Even when selling accounts. I think it happens more often then.

If there is an opportunity to help collect more facts about what's going on, why not? xD Not to mention, it is easier to change an IP than the later.

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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2013, 11:12:48 am »
honestly i dont get what else you think they should log o.o even if its on a completely random IP you are still responsible for what happens with your account.....in the case of selling an account, ss it...so you can prove you sold it and its not linked to yours anymore. other than that you should be held accountable for anything that happens on your accounts.
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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2013, 02:37:06 pm »
I think in general it would minimize innocent people getting banned, that's all.

Everyone knows sometimes someone else gets caught in something. Even when selling accounts. I think it happens more often then.

If there is an opportunity to help collect more facts about what's going on, why not? xD Not to mention, it is easier to change an IP than the later.

It actually wouldn't though, because you cannot prove whether someone is using someone else's PC or not :/ Let's say you're my brother, and I decide I h8 u and decide to log onto your accounts on your PC and raise hell.

It just honestly wouldn't make a difference. :/

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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2013, 03:16:51 pm »
*points @ Myself*

Wut bout meh :(

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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2013, 04:26:37 pm »
I think in general it would minimize innocent people getting banned, that's all.

Everyone knows sometimes someone else gets caught in something. Even when selling accounts. I think it happens more often then.

If there is an opportunity to help collect more facts about what's going on, why not? xD Not to mention, it is easier to change an IP than the later.

It actually wouldn't though, because you cannot prove whether someone is using someone else's PC or not :/ Let's say you're my brother, and I decide I h8 u and decide to log onto your accounts on your PC and raise hell.

It just honestly wouldn't make a difference. :/

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There has to be some sort of solution to prevent innocent people from being banned. If that's the case, even staff members don't know for sure so they're basing it off what they feel happened.

Eh, I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from though, despite the fact the overall we really can't tell who is who. It's just sad seeing so many vets banned.

Okay, so I'm hoping Gravity adds a finger print auth based login or maybe an iris scan. :D

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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2013, 04:49:42 pm »
I think in general it would minimize innocent people getting banned, that's all.

Everyone knows sometimes someone else gets caught in something. Even when selling accounts. I think it happens more often then.

If there is an opportunity to help collect more facts about what's going on, why not? xD Not to mention, it is easier to change an IP than the later.

It actually wouldn't though, because you cannot prove whether someone is using someone else's PC or not :/ Let's say you're my brother, and I decide I h8 u and decide to log onto your accounts on your PC and raise hell.

It just honestly wouldn't make a difference. :/

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There has to be some sort of solution to prevent innocent people from being banned. If that's the case, even staff members don't know for sure so they're basing it off what they feel happened.

Eh, I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from though, despite the fact the overall we really can't tell who is who. It's just sad seeing so many vets banned.

Okay, so I'm hoping Gravity adds a finger print auth based login or maybe an iris scan. :D


what "innocent people".....you are responsible for YOUR accounts no matter who uses it. you dont want ot get banned for "something YOU didnt do" then dont share your account.....
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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2013, 05:08:34 pm »
Just because you get banned does not mean you shared your account. FYI I was at a friends house for two-three weeks. Obviously not my home IP as I've been around a long time. The account was given to the guy, sooo! I also provided proof.

So yes, innocent people can get banned. It IS possible.

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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2013, 05:39:05 pm »
Just because you get banned does not mean you shared your account. FYI I was at a friends house for two-three weeks. Obviously not my home IP as I've been around a long time. The account was given to the guy, sooo! I also provided proof.

So yes, innocent people can get banned. It IS possible.

Laven, you were on that other IP for more than a week, logging onto a variety of your different accounts. The account was completely linked to you. That's like saying we shouldn't punish someone who goes to an internet cafe to pull a bunch of crap on someone.

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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2013, 07:20:46 pm »
Just because you get banned does not mean you shared your account. FYI I was at a friends house for two-three weeks. Obviously not my home IP as I've been around a long time. The account was given to the guy, sooo! I also provided proof.

So yes, innocent people can get banned. It IS possible.

Laven, you were on that other IP for more than a week, logging onto a variety of your different accounts. The account was completely linked to you. That's like saying we shouldn't punish someone who goes to an internet cafe to pull a bunch of crap on someone.

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It actually wouldn't though, because you cannot prove whether someone is using someone else's PC or not :/ Let's say you're my brother, and I decide I h8 u and decide to log onto your accounts on your PC and raise hell.
I think in general it would minimize innocent people getting banned, that's all.

Everyone knows sometimes someone else gets caught in something. Even when selling accounts. I think it happens more often then.

If there is an opportunity to help collect more facts about what's going on, why not? xD

GMs can't prove if it's you or not. So they just ban.

Collecting more data = more facts used to determine if they believe you. At the minimum.

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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2013, 07:47:51 pm »
What more do you want them to collect? This ain't Facebook.
Just be careful with your accounts and you will have no issues.

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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2013, 07:59:10 pm »
I report Lav for hacking mah thread D: ! Jk...

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Re: Should I have been Banned?
« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2013, 08:05:35 pm »
Wasting valuable play time.  :(