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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: Trizzy on July 26, 2011, 08:12:59 am

Title: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Trizzy on July 26, 2011, 08:12:59 am
im just curious,because we use to have 800 online during woe
now and even woe is only 400+ ,? what else do we need to our server?
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Xia Xue on July 26, 2011, 08:24:10 am
busy? not much time to play i think :( i rarely get on for the past months /...
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Trizzy on July 26, 2011, 08:28:21 am
busy? not much time to play i think :( i rarely get on for the past months /...
well i dont know what to say!
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: slurpyninja on July 26, 2011, 09:27:10 am
what else do we need to our server?
Not be completely retarded assholes 24/7...

I have seen a bunch of new people lately... like, a lot actually. A lot of them for one dont really seem interested in WOE. However... a few i've talked tofind it disturbing  some of the convo's going on in mainchat, then i dont see them log in again... Ie to name a specific few, One where a player said they would break the rules and wait out the mute because the concequences weren't enough to be worried about. Another where someone was annoyed at an AFKing (which btw they weren't afk) paladin in niff... and people were telling the person to KS the guy. The many times PvP has spilled over...

Oh a great one, People will ask where to level a bla bla bla level/level  and people tell them just to leech... causing some of the newbies to the server, who are RO vets but new to this server to call us lazy, the fact we have warpers and NPC job changers apparently makes us spoiled, and the lack of interest in BG and bla annoys the ones that ARE interested in PvP.  (Yes i'm aware leeching happens on other servers and tehres the warpers and whatever i'm stating what i've heard from newbies)

number 1 thing i've heard from people new to RO alltogether (i think long time players from other servers are already used to it) 'The Shiney people (ie lvl 99) dont talk much, and when they do they're very mean usually.' srsly quoting what someone told me, saying i was the first 'shiney person' to have been nice to them in their time on the server. How long had they been on? 2 weeks...

yes yes... there are the noobs who stand in town and outright demand you give them free shit because its 'impossible' to level without gears... those ones even i just want to smack sometimes... but not all of them are like that.

All in all... i think the existing community itself is whats makign the community smaller -.-; No, i'm no saint, i get pissed off and downtalk people now and then. But seriously... if people were nicer we'd get more people :/ The more people that stay the more that tell their friends to join... we dont just need new people... we need new people that will actually stay.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Fidelis on July 26, 2011, 09:36:42 am
Hmm, maybe I should start handing out harsher punishments than mutes, like bans or other things. I haven't really checked main chat lately, and I haven't really seen that much main chat related reports on the forums.

I find it weird though. People QQ'd so much about the street chat mutes which were like... 2 to 16 hours, depending on the number of offenses. Yet they don't care about 24 hour mutes?

Maybe implementing the oh so hyped main chat wasn't such a good idea if it only scares off new players?
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: slurpyninja on July 26, 2011, 09:43:58 am
Its.... a double eged sword.... I've found a bunch of new players BECAUSE of mainchat. And its seriously nice to see someone in mainchat be like 'Hi i'm new' an have 8+ people welcome them to the server... plus not to mention its amazing when used correctly... Like promoting events, asking questions and stuff. Theres been many times someone asks a question, lets say about WS weapons and ranking. A BUNCH of people jumped into the convo adding to the first question ending in a whole discussion that explained a lot of things to a lot of people. I dont think we need to get rid of mainchat >.> (srsly i love the thing) I just think it needs.... more clear set rules I guess... and you know, for people to actually READ.

There HAVE been some people that we're like 'oh you cant do that in mainchat its against the rules' and they ask where the rules are so they can go read them. Then again theres the times we say that and they're like 'oh' and thats all we get...
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Fidelis on July 26, 2011, 09:50:44 am
Well, the thing is, if anything needs heavy moderation and a complex rule set, it's probably not a good thing. The best things are when you only need a really basic set of rules without loopholes that are clear and self-explaining. I don't want to allow trade stuff in main chat (or any sort of world chat right now), as this will cause 90% of the messages to consist of flooding S>+10KAHO lines. Oh well, that's a different field, and not really that much related to the topic, so I'm better stopping here.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 26, 2011, 09:51:02 am
we should like have a jail ! :D
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Roon on July 26, 2011, 10:03:45 am
Well, the thing is, if anything needs heavy moderation and a complex rule set, it's probably not a good thing. The best things are when you only need a really basic set of rules without loopholes that are clear and self-explaining. I don't want to allow trade stuff in main chat (or any sort of world chat right now), as this will cause 90% of the messages to consist of flooding S>+10KAHO lines. Oh well, that's a different field, and not really that much related to the topic, so I'm better stopping here.

My experience with main chat is that most people have been very pleasant :x frankly it's not very busy, but what I see is just people asking questions, people asking if someone's online, the occasional interest in a party ... I'm on for about half an hour to an hour every other day.

It's summer time right now, so really our population is probably the highest its gonna get for the year x__x Maybe we're due for an event?
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: slurpyninja on July 26, 2011, 10:15:42 am
I'm on for about half an hour to an hour every other day.

It's summer time right now, so really our population is probably the highest its gonna get for the year x__x Maybe we're due for an event?
>.> i have no life, its summer, i'm on 15+ hours a day... so i see it all -.-;

An event coulld get exising players back online... usually does. Gives them something to do thats a limited time so they actually get on to see what it is at least.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Xia Xue on July 26, 2011, 10:30:23 am
I'm on for about half an hour to an hour every other day.

It's summer time right now, so really our population is probably the highest its gonna get for the year x__x Maybe we're due for an event?
>.> i have no life, its summer, i'm on 15+ hours a day... so i see it all -.-;

An event coulld get exising players back online... usually does. Gives them something to do thats a limited time so they actually get on to see what it is at least.
you must be really free =/
i've been on forums only since the past months especially when the sakura event was over. <_<
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: slurpyninja on July 26, 2011, 10:33:45 am
you must be really free =/
(I have no friends)
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on July 26, 2011, 10:36:47 am
RO Itself is pretty straightfoward, too. And a game that requires you to move a nerve cell if you're totally new because of it's "simple complexity" of mechanics where even a vet gets surprises and Gravity doesn't really spoon feeds you everything (like in other MMOs kids are used to). It's not always the community. The server is even more straightfoward due to customs and stuff. Like, people that want to WoE, will level and gear their chars just to plain WoE. The others don't know, they would just level to be 99. And when they do they quit.

One thing that irked me most from a close friend that left for WoW is that leveling is quite easy post-trans and it's easely soloable if you do it right (this happens in both officials and here), custom items making it easier even then. In both cases there isn't real partying unless you're with friends and that slows your power leveling. No friends? I quit, too boring!

It' takes time to completely master a char here (not saying it's hard), I mean I love RO's unforgiveness when you do something wrong  in a hard map (die or wipe out), I've never seen that in another MMO (and is what makes RO fucking fun when you can handle the pressure) but that's just me, other newbies would take it as harsh and leave (lolwut I died in Prison I nid SQIs to lvl this I'm quitting).

That's another problem, newbies feel the pressure that if they don't have custom shit they can't do anything because they see others throwing KO's around. What they don't know is that they don't really need that to prove being useful. A skillful player can do as well as a noob SQI spoiled one and a SQId skillfull player is god-like and I've proven it in Prison when I actually saw a nub Wizzie doing something for himself, using all kinds of skills to defend himself like a man, it's then when I offered him to party him because I found it that he deserved a hand for a small while for his good job.
They see that, they crave for being them and then quit becasue they don't want to work for it (spoiled kids).

There are more and more reasons can I be like this the whole day, but this is already a wall of text lol.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on July 26, 2011, 10:47:52 am
GMs, community, game content.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Fidelis on July 26, 2011, 10:51:07 am
GMs, community, game content.
Elaborate, please. Do you mean GM activity? Or friendliness?
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on July 26, 2011, 10:54:33 am
Too little of you guys working on this. >:  Isn't like, just you working on the game updates?
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: HaruSama on July 26, 2011, 10:55:50 am
Events + new updates = win.

Currently the only regular event to keep me here could be Match Me. I know we will be having more events around Halloween ~ Christmas but that's like once a year. I was really looking forward to seeing that daily quest thingy. :x Though now with the mini-games broadcast feature it might have improved a bit.

And we have been waiting for newer updates for a long time. Not going to mention 3rd-Class or renewal, but a newer episode update would be nice enough to keep us interested, it is also the key to attract newer players.

Regarding main chat...Slurpy is right, it is a double-edged sword. I find it interesting yet annoying at times. It is good seeing people recruiting for MvPing/Adventures/Quests, but I'd hope people actually take responsibility on what they have to say, even if it is not against the rules. If someone asked an honest question would you not give an honest answer instead of replying with a joke? Some newbies might not even know it is a joke. The forum is bad enough with trolls, leave the main chat alone.

My humble opinions, that's it for now.  :)
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: rolover on July 26, 2011, 10:56:24 am
Yeah, how many GMs are around right now? Out of curiosity.
And maybe brief us on what they're doing right now? :x Do we need more staff?
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: DeePee on July 26, 2011, 10:57:06 am
Advertising, more contact with the community.

Remind people from time to time to make a review on RMS. Stay in contact with the community on Facebook, like doing raffles or random polls, answering people's questions, etc. Social networking helps a lot. You could put a Facebook Like-Box on the homepage, too.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: rolover on July 26, 2011, 10:58:40 am
http://www.animusro.com/forums/index.php/topic,109682.0.html
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Tiamat on July 26, 2011, 11:00:29 am
Events + new updates = win.

Currently the only regular event to keep me here could be Match Me.

I've been trying to work on having more events like the one in this feedback thread (http://www.animusro.com/forums/index.php/topic,110346.0.html), but since I don't actually have the necessary commands, I can't do it without the help of a high GM, so that makes timing a bit difficult. I'm going to try and work with others schedules to have bigger scale events every 2 weeks. :) I usually have little mini games and Match Me in between those. /ok
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on July 26, 2011, 11:02:35 am
GMs, community, game content.

Regarding game content:

Some episodes are just awesome, specially after El Discates (the next episode from ours), Mora Village, Bifrost and LH4. But it's either Gravity doing the job half-assed or, the main reason of all-- pserver players don't care about them (because these places are quest intesive and most pserver players hate that, New World is just the beginning). Specially with us since we have MVP cards and SQIs, these places would be as easy as killing a Poring and eventually get boring (seems like nothing beats LH3, but players are even too scared to go there) and be left like NW did (the only thing that keeps most players in NW are Tendrillion and Mammoth, and some quest lovers like me but that's all).

Server needs more custom content to fill that hole made by custom items, I would actually love seeing a SQI arena as hard as LH3 to be truely end-game. :D
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: slurpyninja on July 26, 2011, 11:05:22 am
And we have been waiting for newer updates for a long time. Not going to mention 3rd-Class or renewal, but a newer episode update would be nice enough to keep us interested, it is also the key to attract newer players.

3rd classes... urg (theres already a full topic on this so u'll just say 1 thing) I know people who left and said they'll only come back when/if third classes come out. And i know people who play now that WILL leave if third classes come out...

Srsly i'm dying to get into that Nid Dungeon... 'cuz you know i dont think i go on enough suicide runs as it is... i need to die more in new places (i'm not beign sarcastic with that i love going on suicide runs into places i know i cant survive in)

Advertising, more contact with the community.
This... i know the GMs have their own lives and what not but seriously? we only ever see Tiamat, RSX, and Kirek. Maliqu pops in every once in awhile and is hella fun when he does. And Yes even Fidd Fidd makes an appearance now and then. But seriously? The other GMs kinda like... poofed... some people are completely unaware GMs even go in game (mainly time zone issues with them) but still. Need more active GM's that get in game (not that the ones mentioned dont do that, they're great and we love them but still should be more different GMs)

Server needs more custom content to fill that hole made by custom items, I would actually love seeing a SQI arena as hard as LH3 to be truely end-game. :D
OMFG this ^
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: DeePee on July 26, 2011, 11:08:04 am
To be honest, the server can't go -that- much further when it comes to official content. Not sure if you guys have full 13.2 yet, but starting from Scaraba Hole, it will get tricky to update. Gravity fully switched to Renewal on all their servers, so anything after 13.3 will have Renewal stats and Renewal drops. Sure, you can add them with custom stats, but the question is if you want that.

eAthena released the official Nydhog Instance a couple of days ago, though. So adding that should keep people busy for a while.

Custom content is IMO the way to go. People can find official features on any private server. It's new stuff they want to see. Minigames, unique events, just... stuff to do apart from the endless grinding. Also stuff that will keep old players busy. Some epic challenges that will require them to use the fullest of their gears and skillz.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on July 26, 2011, 11:12:34 am
Yeah I understand using official content is no longer going to be able (I played those episodes on officials, except Mora Village and LH4, forgot to say) they're already Renewal.
Custom content is the way to go, I would love to see custom episodes lol~ but that takes too much work for our GMs.

You completely get my point, Dee!
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: super priest on July 26, 2011, 12:49:48 pm
http://www.animusro.com/forums/index.php/topic,95605.0.html

maybe some of these will help for entertainment. But PLEASE MONSTER OF THE WEEK, maybe add in ad rewards for completeing it( ad pennies, razer idea thread)

number 1 thing i've heard from people new to RO alltogether (i think long time players from other servers are already used to it) 'The Shiney people (ie lvl 99) dont talk much, and when they do they're very mean usually.' srsly quoting what someone told me, saying i was the first 'shiney person' to have been nice to them in their time on the server. How long had they been on? 2 weeks...

this is why i dont like haveing the shiney on me, i get that impresion up today when i see those people(thats when i first came to RO too :/)

To be honest, the server can't go -that- much further when it comes to official content. Not sure if you guys have full 13.2 yet, but starting from Scaraba Hole, it will get tricky to update. Gravity fully switched to Renewal on all their servers, so anything after 13.3 will have Renewal stats and Renewal drops. Sure, you can add them with custom stats, but the question is if you want that.

eAthena released the official Nydhog Instance a couple of days ago, though. So adding that should keep people busy for a while.

Custom content is IMO the way to go. People can find official features on any private server. It's new stuff they want to see. Minigames, unique events, just... stuff to do apart from the endless grinding. Also stuff that will keep old players busy. Some epic challenges that will require them to use the fullest of their gears and skillz.

if we can't go any further then we just have to improvise that future stuff with our own imagination if we have too, or if a later date we will start our renewal proces (with aRO magic) :)
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Trizzy on July 26, 2011, 01:47:31 pm
Advertising, more contact with the community.

Remind people from time to time to make a review on RMS. Stay in contact with the community on Facebook, like doing raffles or random polls, answering people's questions, etc. Social networking helps a lot. You could put a Facebook Like-Box on the homepage, too.
/ok
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: xTodesengelx on July 26, 2011, 02:19:12 pm
I like main chat. I've met a few friends through there since it's been implemented.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 26, 2011, 02:55:32 pm
Some quote from player reviews (played for a year or more)

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The Community can come off as rude because they are not always talkative, but they are fairly helpful in the right areas.
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The economy is bad.
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Obscenely overpriced items that for you to grind in one of the server maps with customized spawns to be able to afford vital equipment at high levels.

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GM are friendly, although it's a bit rare to see them in game.


i think there is lack of advertising and reviewing so we are all high up and stuff
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff487/ririyaolisun/weneedmoveup.png)

we need to boost up our reviews on RMS just look, our competition with talon and heRO will be picked first, they seem more active and have many review people will be more likely to visit these servers since they are ranked 1st ( this picture is based on the 6month period) Click 1st month period and animus not even on the first page, its talon RO and heRO, they will continue to grow because they have good effort in getting votes from whatever they do to make players vote, idk what do we do i never heard the word write  a review in game ever as far as i have seen.


and if we have no new update or new event in a while people will go argh so bored there is not many player to be with and all we can do is talk in random city and be boring because they have everything they need and there is no new things to try that are challenging to that person so they drift away
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: exDragon on July 26, 2011, 03:56:59 pm
I still think it would help the server a lot if they made changes to help low tier players grind for gear faster but not effect how fast high tier players get gear but unfortunately that isn't a priority right now.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Fidelis on July 26, 2011, 04:02:48 pm
I still think it would help the server a lot if they made changes to help low tier players grind for gear faster but not effect how fast high tier players get gear but unfortunately that isn't a priority right now.
And you know what our priorities are?
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 26, 2011, 04:34:30 pm
what are the gm priority i do not know
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Trizzy on July 26, 2011, 05:07:18 pm
is it possible to make NPC to write a review through RMS? /heh

Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on July 26, 2011, 05:09:57 pm
is it possible to make NPC to write a review through RMS? /heh



You need an account to review in RMS ._.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Trizzy on July 26, 2011, 05:12:02 pm
is it possible to make NPC to write a review through RMS? /heh



You need an account to review in RMS ._.

ah yeah i forgot! sorry we need to bring MORE user
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 26, 2011, 05:13:15 pm
more player would be nice :)
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Trizzy on July 26, 2011, 05:21:42 pm
i saw some new players this past few days but still not enough for me /heh!
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 26, 2011, 05:22:21 pm
we need a big army to join /gg
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Trizzy on July 26, 2011, 05:26:19 pm
we need a big army to join /gg
join force?
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Pope Louis XIV on July 26, 2011, 06:46:10 pm
Spice up your life!
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: matteo fitz182 on July 26, 2011, 06:56:04 pm
If you ask me the trouble lies with tarpism.  :police:
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: rolover on July 26, 2011, 10:06:52 pm
for custom stuff, is it possible to add custom mercenaries? I'd like to see support class 1s :x
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Maryline` on July 27, 2011, 12:13:43 am
Scene #1:

Abekki : Anybody wants to join me [dungeon name]?
Ebekki : The monsters there are weak, you can survive there on your own.

Scene #2:

Abekki : Where do I find jellopies?
Ubekki : In your effin face! HAHA

Scene #3:

Abekki : Would anyone help me level? I need a few more job levels to change class...
            (Ignored)

Scene #4:

Abekki : Can anyone [anything here]?
Ubecci : Would you shut the fuk up? Can't you do it on your own like what everybody does? I leveled on my own when I started...  blah2 [bragging]

Scene #5:

Abekki : What gears should I have for a [insert class name]?
Obekki : Get a kaho. Everyone wants that...
Ebekki : Go check the forums you noob! Theres tons of info about RO on the internet. RMS, irowiki, etc.
Abekki : Huh? *confused*

Scene #6:

Abekki : Does this game has a plot?
Obecci : No, get some friends, kaho, SQI and then you can leave. Pretty much it.

(Abekki went to PvP and get harassed. Abekki went for Poring Wars but no one was there. Abekki accidentally talked to Maroll Officer and got lost.)
(He wanted to have fun *yes you play a game to have fun* and so far he found none. After all, hes just a newbie. Of course, having 1k damage per hit with 190 attackspeed has always been his dreams but is it possible for him?)

*Abekki walks away*

Note: Some were fake gay facts but some are real conversation I've seen in game.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Shiroe on July 27, 2011, 12:44:52 am
Its.... a double eged sword.... I've found a bunch of new players BECAUSE of mainchat. And its seriously nice to see someone in mainchat be like 'Hi i'm new' an have 8+ people welcome them to the server... plus not to mention its amazing when used correctly... Like promoting events, asking questions and stuff. Theres been many times someone asks a question, lets say about WS weapons and ranking. A BUNCH of people jumped into the convo adding to the first question ending in a whole discussion that explained a lot of things to a lot of people. I dont think we need to get rid of mainchat >.> (srsly i love the thing) I just think it needs.... more clear set rules I guess... and you know, for people to actually READ.

There HAVE been some people that we're like 'oh you cant do that in mainchat its against the rules' and they ask where the rules are so they can go read them. Then again theres the times we say that and they're like 'oh' and thats all we get...

I'm a bit late to this discussion but I have to second what slurpy has to say here.  I was involved before my trip in a conversation about which card was better on Suiken, and even that convo managed to bring in a lot of newbies who started asking questions about champ in general, which led to a comparison between combo and IC champ, which led to... etc.  It was certainly awesome to behold.  I also witnessed main chat being used by a sader who was looking for a party in prison at the same time a priest was, and they hooked up and demolished prison together for a while.  Main chat is awesome and when it's not being used to QQ or yell at newbies it is a major plus to our server.

*goes back to read more of thread*
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 27, 2011, 03:27:29 am
@Mary, Scenes 1,2 and 4 have happened to me on alts, i even asked when a pr was around and they was just singing to themselves in mainchat which was kind of stupid, if i was really new to the server i would have been irritated at this fact that no one even bothered to reply and was ignored ( i did ask like 4 times)
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Maryline` on July 27, 2011, 04:08:19 am
@Mary, Scenes 1,2 and 4 have happened to me on alts, i even asked when a pr was around and they was just singing to themselves in mainchat which was kind of stupid, if i was really new to the server i would have been irritated at this fact that no one even bothered to reply and was ignored ( i did ask like 4 times)

I "grew" up when the server was still very young so everyone kindda like helping each other to level and stuff. Now everything is different. The word fun itself is starting to fade away.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: 4n0nym0u5 on July 27, 2011, 04:21:48 am
Yea I remember when we had 700+ people those good ol' times and those MVP events that happened around AnthemRO times I think or was it AnimaRO? Can't remember now...
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Maryline` on July 27, 2011, 04:24:51 am
Yea I remember when we had 700+ people those good ol' times and those MVP events that happened around AnthemRO times I think or was it AnimaRO? Can't remember now...

I want those dancing dragon mob and mvps in alberta again. that time i was too weak to kill anything xD
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: ninjai17 on July 27, 2011, 04:50:10 am
i don't go online much anymore but I do see new players which is positive... It really comes down to the game is quite old now, and quite frankly there are alot of better games out there. those who grew up with ragnarok will definately enjoy it more than players that a new to the server. And I also think it is a good thing that GM's are taking their time updating the episodes on the server... once we have it all, whats there to update anymore? :o
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: rolover on July 27, 2011, 08:02:44 am
Yea I remember when we had 700+ people those good ol' times and those MVP events that happened around AnthemRO times I think or was it AnimaRO? Can't remember now...
try 2000 8) my first 2x event was cause of that
that was lively times....
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: DeePee on July 27, 2011, 08:11:00 am
Try 3000 ;)
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: sodryn on July 27, 2011, 08:42:53 am
I've played off and on since 2006 or 2007, started sometime when a bonus 10x exp event was going on. My main reason for leaving is there isn't so much of a community feel between players. I can work a hectic schedule, like the next 2 weeks I'll be working 12-16 hours a day, so.. Time is pressing, guilds aren't a great option when you can suddenly have rl take over all your time, as activity is a must. I've always found difficulties in finding levelling parties, and believe it or not, in all this time, I have yet to make a trans. My highest character is my wizard, 90/50, and I can only play a short duration. Gets boring soloing everything rather quickly. It seems anymore the expected thing to do is to buy a leech, while newer players, or sometimes older that just don't have a ton of time on their hands, don't have that kind of money. So, in my opinion, it almost feels like you have to "buy" your way around here anymore. When I first started, we had nearly 10 fold the amount of players, and it was a lot friendlier once you filtered through the bots and obnoxious ones. The players make the server.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Xia Xue on July 27, 2011, 09:06:31 am
it was more of that nostalgic feeling of RO back when i started in Anthem and the old players i met make the game addicting and fun.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: super priest on July 27, 2011, 11:00:23 am
Scene #1:

Abekki : Anybody wants to join me [dungeon name]?
Ebekki : The monsters there are weak, you can survive there on your own.

Scene #2:

Abekki : Where do I find jellopies?
Ubekki : In your effin face! HAHA

Scene #3:

Abekki : Would anyone help me level? I need a few more job levels to change class...
            (Ignored)

Scene #4:

Abekki : Can anyone [anything here]?
Ubecci : Would you shut the fuk up? Can't you do it on your own like what everybody does? I leveled on my own when I started...  blah2 [bragging]

Scene #5:

Abekki : What gears should I have for a [insert class name]?
Obekki : Get a kaho. Everyone wants that...
Ebekki : Go check the forums you noob! Theres tons of info about RO on the internet. RMS, irowiki, etc.
Abekki : Huh? *confused*

Scene #6:

Abekki : Does this game has a plot?
Obecci : No, get some friends, kaho, SQI and then you can leave. Pretty much it.

(Abekki went to PvP and get harassed. Abekki went for Poring Wars but no one was there. Abekki accidentally talked to Maroll Officer and got lost.)
(He wanted to have fun *yes you play a game to have fun* and so far he found none. After all, hes just a newbie. Of course, having 1k damage per hit with 190 attackspeed has always been his dreams but is it possible for him?)

*Abekki walks away*

Note: Some were fake gay facts but some are real conversation I've seen in game.

this is what happens when you become top high tier player... no more respect of once being a noob back then
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on July 27, 2011, 11:54:46 am
Scene #6 is a bit annoying.
It's mostly Gravity's fault for the game not having a noticeable plot, I mean, that thing is broken into pieces and very very VERY HIDDEN, it's giving me a headache to figure out the whole plot of Ragnarok since I gotta do a thousand quests (more than your average RO player), I had to read the manhwa too <_<;;  and research a lot for it. That's why most players say that most of the time, only a few counted know what's going on in RO World without making up your own stories.

And like I said, Gravity is well known for not spoon feeding people everything, that's why the game is so "hard" to understand, it's insanely ANNOYING to explain someone the whole RO mechanic in-game without having him lost for a second and you gotta figure it out by your own most of time, imagine the pain in the butt people had in RO's beta stages and first years, that's why people made databases and a whole Wiki about it, yet no one appreciates that...
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Maryline` on July 27, 2011, 12:19:03 pm
RO might not have a strong plot to begin with but there are a lot of quest which could be done. However, it isnt that fun doing all that quest alone. Next time we have a custom event, make it a partylike quest.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: rolover on July 27, 2011, 12:41:22 pm
lol trying to explain the full concept of just attack is a pain in the ass
most people still don't know how it fully works
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on July 27, 2011, 12:47:25 pm
RO's story is very strong once you discover it, there is a lot of controversy and human insanity, it's not just about killing mobs becasue theyre evil. xD
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: rolover on July 27, 2011, 12:51:07 pm
wanna input here too?
http://www.animusro.com/forums/index.php/topic,110501.0.html
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on July 27, 2011, 01:04:38 pm
Meh. D:
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Kefka on July 27, 2011, 01:25:34 pm
Reasons why community getting lover:

1) RO is old game and its a private server ( i heard official RO is free to play now? Most new ppl go there.)

2) Vets are bored of pvp/woe, and leaving game.

3) New ppl are bored of farming to compete with vets in pvp/woe, and leaving.

4) If we want to compete with other private servers, we need latest updates,quests, content. And more "exclusive" features for our server.

5) Most ppl in game are afkers, so finding a party for new player is nearly impossible.

6) Still ( even after ad shop price update) huge prices for high end gears.



*more reasons later*
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Pick on July 27, 2011, 06:52:59 pm
Scene #1:

Abekki : Anybody wants to join me [dungeon name]?
Ebekki : The monsters there are weak, you can survive there on your own.

Scene #2:

Abekki : Where do I find jellopies?
Ubekki : In your effin face! HAHA

Scene #3:

Abekki : Would anyone help me level? I need a few more job levels to change class...
            (Ignored)

Scene #4:

Abekki : Can anyone [anything here]?
Ubecci : Would you shut the fuk up? Can't you do it on your own like what everybody does? I leveled on my own when I started...  blah2 [bragging]

Scene #5:

Abekki : What gears should I have for a [insert class name]?
Obekki : Get a kaho. Everyone wants that...
Ebekki : Go check the forums you noob! Theres tons of info about RO on the internet. RMS, irowiki, etc.
Abekki : Huh? *confused*

Scene #6:

Abekki : Does this game has a plot?
Obecci : No, get some friends, kaho, SQI and then you can leave. Pretty much it.

(Abekki went to PvP and get harassed. Abekki went for Poring Wars but no one was there. Abekki accidentally talked to Maroll Officer and got lost.)
(He wanted to have fun *yes you play a game to have fun* and so far he found none. After all, hes just a newbie. Of course, having 1k damage per hit with 190 attackspeed has always been his dreams but is it possible for him?)

*Abekki walks away*

Note: Some were fake gay facts but some are real conversation I've seen in game.

^

and we need more event I guess? Like Monster of the Week (extra exp and include some rare drop along from a certain monster for that whole week). It would really help new players  to lvling and also encourages player to go to other places to lvling/farming zeny other than niff/prison /ok
With this, they might find new and fun way to make zeny and lvling that they never think of.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: exDragon on July 27, 2011, 09:49:24 pm
I still think it would help the server a lot if they made changes to help low tier players grind for gear faster but not effect how fast high tier players get gear but unfortunately that isn't a priority right now.
And you know what our priorities are?

No but I know that isn't one of them.  Would you mind saying what they are right now.  One guess is your updating Nidhogger instance right now as someone mentioned the eAthena code for it was released recently.  I also remember you mentioning that you were working on dailies.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: super priest on July 27, 2011, 11:15:54 pm
yet whats holding us all back?

some of these things are GM wise, but what about us players to newbies?
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on July 27, 2011, 11:25:37 pm
Not like I can beat some sense into these assholes that are trying so hard to keep new players away.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Maryline` on July 27, 2011, 11:31:49 pm
yet whats holding us all back?

some of these things are GM wise, but what about us players to newbies?

A few can help, but its not like we're all in the same time zone. Nevertheless, trolls exist regardless of time zone.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 27, 2011, 11:59:02 pm
to scare a newbie all you got to say is  you get this stuff by grinding 6-10hours a day for a few months and voila, you have a sprite
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: 4n0nym0u5 on July 28, 2011, 01:31:53 am
I remember back around 2006-07 Kahos were like 50-65m.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Trenticus on July 28, 2011, 02:33:20 am
I remember back around 2006-07 Kahos were like 50-65m.
Orly? I quit.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: DeePee on July 28, 2011, 03:29:04 am
They were 30-35 haha.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: HzVee on July 28, 2011, 03:38:44 am
Maybe it's because lack of things for 'low level' characters?

There's NT/non-SQI WoE, Poring War, etc but they still dominated by high level players (80-90++).
Lower level player almost get nothing to do other than killing mobs until they are able to compete with older players or maybe joining in some minigames/event which is quite rare. Such thing is really boring (I'm lucky that I have friends that play here, as well as a nice guild invited me)  :)

I'm thinking a battle like poring war for lower level (30-39,40-49, etc) and they earn some exp for participating and some coins (like in PW) that give some equip/items that is reasonable for them. New players need variation too  ;D
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: yamirichard on July 28, 2011, 03:38:56 am
why?? well, I have seen GM and PR team's effort for long time....
maybe we got fewer events than in animaRO time but no problem about that

I must say that players don't explore this game... newbie only play in prison or niff and then buy some leech and ads... after that buy SQI and kaho.... join PvP and then quit
I have seen some of vets efforts to join some events and quests and it's fun! but some players are just abandon the community and play by themselves

The reason why I don't really like to help the newbie is because they only want your money and items... they don't want advices or anything... I have met some new players like that and only seducing the vets players... that's why some vets also don't like to help them (well, we are working hard...!)
well, they are immature players so I can't say much but please don't just give them some items or moneys... help them to level or give them advice is the best solution

Reviving the mainchat is a good idea... at least I can see some activities in the game...
maybe more events will attract this new players to be more active and socialize (I like sakura events so much... lol)

I want to see 2000 players again in this server everytime I play....  ;D
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Zephyrato on July 28, 2011, 04:54:46 am
Hmm, i think we just really lack the Social element...
No one talks anymore. >_> i can sit in pront for an hour, walk away, come back an hour later, look through the Chat Window,
and not see a single convo that doesn't involve trading, buying, and selling.

Yes yes i know Mainchat is available now.
But what i see is people socializing and then some asshole telling everyone they're annoying and just begin insulting people.
Then every1 just starts throwing insults at each other and by the end of it everyone threatens each other with reports and
it falls silent.

Maybe it's because lack of things for 'low level' characters?

There's NT/non-SQI WoE, Poring War, etc but they still dominated by high level players (80-90++).
Lower level player almost get nothing to do other than killing mobs until they are able to compete with older players or maybe joining in some minigames/event which is quite rare. Such thing is really boring (I'm lucky that I have friends that play here, as well as a nice guild invited me)  :)
I agree.
HOWEVER, there is only so much we can do.
I, as a Vet, WANT to use the gear i have worked for and I want to have fun so I should be entitled to that.
ALSO, i'd love to partner up with "noobies" for woe [Restricted]. I see no problem with that.
You meet new people, help each other, and become friends... Infact, this is something that I really REALLY want.
But its so hard to meet new ACTIVE players.. >.<
Just meeting a new and active player is difficult...

Maybe we just need more events to attract players....

For example, i saw a screenie in the "Post your screenshot" thread of a rouge posting his progression in the game.
He joined in on the Seasonal Event and WORKED for the items there, (like the rest of us).
in the end he got a jewel box, got a necklace[1] and made 10m. In his first 2 weeks on the server.
and i'd be willing to bet that during that event he met new players, leveled up, and became attracted to the game
enough that he still plays or at least played for a while.
Just after 2 weeks.

We need more of this.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Maryline` on July 28, 2011, 05:59:34 am

For example, i saw a screenie in the "Post your screenshot" thread of a rouge posting his progression in the game.
He joined in on the Seasonal Event and WORKED for the items there, (like the rest of us).
in the end he got a jewel box, got a necklace[1] and made 10m. In his first 2 weeks on the server.
and i'd be willing to bet that during that event he met new players, leveled up, and became attracted to the game
enough that he still plays or at least played for a while.
Just after 2 weeks.

We need more of this.

I've seen his screenie and to be frank, not everyone is as lucky as him. Yeah I've seen his screenie. In fact, we don't have seasonal events that often, about 2 major events per annum to be exact.

Some people claim they saw a lot of new people coming in, what they don't know is that there are a lot of people leaving as well, newbies and vets.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: DeePee on July 28, 2011, 06:00:30 am
Yes yes i know Mainchat is available now.
But what i see is people socializing and then some asshole telling everyone they're annoying and just begin insulting people.
Then every1 just starts throwing insults at each other and by the end of it everyone threatens each other with reports and
it falls silent.

A.k.a. you need better !main chat moderation.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Maryline` on July 28, 2011, 06:05:06 am
Yes yes i know Mainchat is available now.
But what i see is people socializing and then some asshole telling everyone they're annoying and just begin insulting people.
Then every1 just starts throwing insults at each other and by the end of it everyone threatens each other with reports and
it falls silent.

A.k.a. you need better !main chat moderation.

Better moderation wouldnt do a thing, some assholes would just do what assholes do, and for those who live by the rules, would be more cautious when it comes to main chat and in the end, you'll barely get anyone using the main chat. Why?

1. To avoid trolls
2. To avoid breaking the rules
3. When theres so much restriction, theres nothing left to say in main chat.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: DeePee on July 28, 2011, 06:06:59 am
Oh trust me, better moderation works (it does on my server). You will need to set up a pretty strict rule for foul language on !main chat, moderate it as a GM/PR from time to time and rely on player reports for the rest. It helps, really.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Zephyrato on July 28, 2011, 06:08:38 am

For example, i saw a screenie in the "Post your screenshot" thread of a rouge posting his progression in the game.
He joined in on the Seasonal Event and WORKED for the items there, (like the rest of us).
in the end he got a jewel box, got a necklace[1] and made 10m. In his first 2 weeks on the server.
and i'd be willing to bet that during that event he met new players, leveled up, and became attracted to the game
enough that he still plays or at least played for a while.
Just after 2 weeks.

We need more of this.

I've seen his screenie and to be frank, not everyone is as lucky as him. Yeah I've seen his screenie. In fact, we don't have seasonal events that often, about 2 major events per annum to be exact.

Some people claim they saw a lot of new people coming in, what they don't know is that there are a lot of people leaving as well, newbies and vets.
I agree, that's extremely lucky.
but the fact that he even worked for the jewel box means he was participating in the event. (as a new player)

Yes yes i know Mainchat is available now.
But what i see is people socializing and then some asshole telling everyone they're annoying and just begin insulting people.
Then every1 just starts throwing insults at each other and by the end of it everyone threatens each other with reports and
it falls silent.

A.k.a. you need better !main chat moderation.

 ;)
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Maryline` on July 28, 2011, 06:10:12 am
The thing is, what happens in main chat doesnt make people leave or come.

The issue is why our community its getting lower?

Main chat is just another addition, as time goes by, people will get used to however the server moderate it.

fyi, this is definitely gay:

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: tsukaza13 on July 28, 2011, 06:25:55 am
Yes yes i know Mainchat is available now.
But what i see is people socializing and then some asshole telling everyone they're annoying and just begin insulting people.
Then every1 just starts throwing insults at each other and by the end of it everyone threatens each other with reports and
it falls silent.

A.k.a. you need better !main chat moderation.

^This.

The player Slurpy mentioned who "said he would break the rules and wait out the mute" was me, when I suggested that an alternate global channel be introduced for B>S>, and to implement harsher penalties for breaking mainchat rules because the current ones were pretty mild. I haven't played for a coupla weeks, but when I left, people were still going "B> whatever" in mainchat, then "whoops sorry" and getting away with it. >_>
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Fidelis on July 28, 2011, 06:39:25 am
Harsher punishments? Do you guys really wanna get banned for a "looking for leech, pm me" in main chat? Oh well, if that's what you want, no problem. I thought 24h mutes were quite harsh, since I remember people kept crying about the ridiculously small 2-6h mutes for street vends and chats...

Besides, as I said, main chat is logged, so I simply need the name of the offender, and I can look it up. No need for a detailed report or anything. I can't be online all the time. Most of the time during the day, I'm at work/uni, and I'm not always in front of the computer when I'm at home.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Xia Xue on July 28, 2011, 06:56:34 am
Harsher punishments? Do you guys really wanna get banned for a "looking for leech, pm me" in main chat? Oh well, if that's what you want, no problem. I thought 24h mutes were quite harsh, since I remember people kept crying about the ridiculously small 2-6h mutes for street vends and chats...

Besides, as I said, main chat is logged, so I simply need the name of the offender, and I can look it up. No need for a detailed report or anything. I can't be online all the time. Most of the time during the day, I'm at work/uni, and I'm not always in front of the computer when I'm at home.
don't tell me your serious bout this :angel:
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: sodryn on July 28, 2011, 07:45:40 am
On a note with the B/T/S chat, a Market/Trade or something chat would be nice. Convenience, and simple redirection. If you don't want spammed, turn it off. Main chat I have seen some advice given, and some socializing. I believe at this point it is fine. Also, on the note of banning.. I could see bans being appropriate in situation of repeat offenders or severe offenses, but for little mistypes would just bring the playerbase down even more. It's never good to feel like you have to watch every little step you make else face the banhammer.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 28, 2011, 08:02:06 am
Solution - implement a market chat that is permoff to start and you have to enable it yourself ??
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Maryline` on July 28, 2011, 08:11:32 am
Why has this turn into another main chat discussion? :x
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 28, 2011, 08:20:26 am
i actually do not know, peopel say oh main chats neat cause you can ask for questions and stuff but then people get lazy and go  JST GO TO FORUM AND SEARCH X GUIDE OK
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: A.D.DFreak on July 28, 2011, 09:30:03 am
Lets start with something easy, Like maybe a Bloody password retrieval? >.>

Ridiculous, how can a site not even have the essential needs such as a password retrieval system.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 28, 2011, 09:39:44 am
oh damn, never crossed my mind, i don't forget passwords often :D
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: exDragon on July 28, 2011, 12:31:33 pm
Solution - implement a market chat that is permoff to start and you have to enable it yourself ??

It would be better if it was on by default just so people know its there.  They can turn it off if they don't want to see it.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: katadama on July 28, 2011, 12:37:00 pm
@gm fiddles

I was playing some server cause they had RO chess and you use your character to move the pieces pretty cool game but on their server they have this annoying mute. Like if you get a 3 hour mute or whatever amount it may be, it'll ask you a random question about your character like what level you are, name, job level and things like that and if you couldn't answer the question in 1-2 mins it would force log off your character. Plus it would ask questions randomly like maybe every 3 mins or every 10 mins. The questions asked were random so you can't time when the next question comes, and you'd have to stare at the screen for however long the mute is and answer annoying questions about your character. That way players really learned and people kind of avoided breaking rules. It's like the most annoying thing ever.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: tsukaza13 on July 28, 2011, 01:18:26 pm
@gm fiddles

I was playing some server cause they had RO chess and you use your character to move the pieces pretty cool game but on their server they have this annoying mute. Like if you get a 3 hour mute or whatever amount it may be, it'll ask you a random question about your character like what level you are, name, job level and things like that and if you couldn't answer the question in 1-2 mins it would force log off your character. Plus it would ask questions randomly like maybe every 3 mins or every 10 mins. The questions asked were random so you can't time when the next question comes, and you'd have to stare at the screen for however long the mute is and answer annoying questions about your character. That way players really learned and people kind of avoided breaking rules. It's like the most annoying thing ever.

That's awesome; our mutes should be like that.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: super priest on July 28, 2011, 01:44:52 pm
Solution - implement a market chat that is permoff to start and you have to enable it yourself ??

no, if they want something like that they should look it up on the forums, other wise all those stuff on the forum T/ S/ B would be pointless if you can do it in game, besides it will be a major spam spot
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: matteo fitz182 on July 28, 2011, 01:56:51 pm
Or our mutes should last for like three days or  two weeks depending on what you've done but the time also goes down when your not online. You just can't talk but can still use skills. Looking at a screen for three hours not being able to do anything? I don't know how anyone could do that...

I think that would be alright since Aro is quite social to most players.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 28, 2011, 03:08:33 pm
@gm fiddles

I was playing some server cause they had RO chess and you use your character to move the pieces pretty cool game but on their server they have this annoying mute. Like if you get a 3 hour mute or whatever amount it may be, it'll ask you a random question about your character like what level you are, name, job level and things like that and if you couldn't answer the question in 1-2 mins it would force log off your character. Plus it would ask questions randomly like maybe every 3 mins or every 10 mins. The questions asked were random so you can't time when the next question comes, and you'd have to stare at the screen for however long the mute is and answer annoying questions about your character. That way players really learned and people kind of avoided breaking rules. It's like the most annoying thing ever.

Isn't that a bot check? O.o
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Aozora on July 28, 2011, 03:18:03 pm
Or our mutes should last for like three days or  two weeks depending on what you've done but the time also goes down when your not online. You just can't talk but can still use skills. Looking at a screen for three hours not being able to do anything? I don't know how anyone could do that...

I think that would be alright since Aro is quite social to most players.

That would undermine the entire point of muting =/
The entire point of both mute and jail timers to only go down during online time is that it's not much of a punishment otherwise.
I mean you just take a break and play something else, and when you come back your char's all fine and dandy. That's not much of a punishment.

Rather if you have to sit there, and wait for the timer to tick down while you can't really do anything. That's much more like a punishment and is way more likely to get the perpetrator thinking "Yeah...I'm not going to be a total asshole next time cause sitting here doing nothing is annoying as hell", rather than "Lol fgts, I'll just snipe some noobs in CoD or play some other cards for a while and come back later".
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 28, 2011, 03:42:41 pm
the only bad punishment is ban/temp ban? :s
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: matteo fitz182 on July 28, 2011, 04:04:40 pm
Or our mutes should last for like three days or  two weeks depending on what you've done but the time also goes down when your not online. You just can't talk but can still use skills. Looking at a screen for three hours not being able to do anything? I don't know how anyone could do that...

I think that would be alright since Aro is quite social to most players.

That would undermine the entire point of muting =/
The entire point of both mute and jail timers to only go down during online time is that it's not much of a punishment otherwise.
I mean you just take a break and play something else, and when you come back your char's all fine and dandy. That's not much of a punishment.

Rather if you have to sit there, and wait for the timer to tick down while you can't really do anything. That's much more like a punishment and is way more likely to get the perpetrator thinking "Yeah...I'm not going to be a total asshole next time cause sitting here doing nothing is annoying as hell", rather than "Lol fgts, I'll just snipe some noobs in CoD for a while and come back later".

I think our punishments are fine but i was just suggesting that. BUT looking at a screen for 3 hours or something and not being able to do anything??? that's death. I'm just saying i think it's a but much. If i was a new player id leave and say "Screw this...I'm not staring at a screen and not being able do anything."
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Aozora on July 28, 2011, 04:08:10 pm
I think our punishments are fine but i was just suggesting that. BUT looking at a screen for 3 hours or something and not being able to do anything??? that's death. I'm just saying i think it's a but much. If i was a new player id leave and say "Screw them...making me stare at a screen and not being able do anything."

That's the point, a punishment has to feel like a punishment.
If it's something you can just ignore, it's not really a punishment. It won't have an effect on the perpetrator who gets punished.
If a newbie breaks the rules then the newbie gets punished, those are the rules. It is annoying as hell and frustrating, but then again, you shouldn't be breaking the rules in the first place.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: matteo fitz182 on July 28, 2011, 04:14:13 pm
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That's the point, a punishment has to feel like a punishment.

I know. Just saying being made to stare at a screen for ages is bit much. I'd prefer temp ban for a few days than that, might only be my opinion though.

Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: rolover on July 28, 2011, 04:29:54 pm
then just make it so that its any time within an hr that that question pops up
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: katadama on July 28, 2011, 07:30:36 pm
@gm fiddles

I was playing some server cause they had RO chess and you use your character to move the pieces pretty cool game but on their server they have this annoying mute. Like if you get a 3 hour mute or whatever amount it may be, it'll ask you a random question about your character like what level you are, name, job level and things like that and if you couldn't answer the question in 1-2 mins it would force log off your character. Plus it would ask questions randomly like maybe every 3 mins or every 10 mins. The questions asked were random so you can't time when the next question comes, and you'd have to stare at the screen for however long the mute is and answer annoying questions about your character. That way players really learned and people kind of avoided breaking rules. It's like the most annoying thing ever.

Isn't that a bot check? O.o

it is, but if you had gotten a mute such as that, you could see how annoying it would be.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: super priest on July 28, 2011, 08:15:55 pm
or something else than mute wise punishment?

1. lose all of their current job/ base % (reset it to 0.0%)
2. Orc face for how ever long and it can't be taken off when you relog( maybe a funny punishment but it goes to show that your this bad person who didn't follow the rules)
3. Character access deny, meaning you can't get on that certain character for how ever long
4. lose zeny amount to the offense
5. lose job/ base level meaning you lose 1-3 base/ job level
6. .....thats all i got :/
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: exDragon on July 28, 2011, 08:32:40 pm
@gm fiddles

I was playing some server cause they had RO chess and you use your character to move the pieces pretty cool game but on their server they have this annoying mute. Like if you get a 3 hour mute or whatever amount it may be, it'll ask you a random question about your character like what level you are, name, job level and things like that and if you couldn't answer the question in 1-2 mins it would force log off your character. Plus it would ask questions randomly like maybe every 3 mins or every 10 mins. The questions asked were random so you can't time when the next question comes, and you'd have to stare at the screen for however long the mute is and answer annoying questions about your character. That way players really learned and people kind of avoided breaking rules. It's like the most annoying thing ever.

That's awesome; our mutes should be like that.

This sounded good, all other ideas sounded bad.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: DarkHieiX on July 28, 2011, 09:43:40 pm
I sorta quit with a bunch of other people because i've been her a while and the server doesn't have too much custom content. WoE is endgame but 1/3 the pop is in one guild and the rest is split up. Not even sure what it woe is like now but I can only imagine with supreme gone that things continue to go downhill.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Biedrins on July 28, 2011, 11:20:03 pm
And now you can travel the world!  For reals this time.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: ~*Lythos*~ on July 29, 2011, 12:35:58 am
I sorta quit with a bunch of other people because i've been her a while and the server doesn't have too much custom content. WoE is endgame but 1/3 the pop is in one guild and the rest is split up. Not even sure what it woe is like now but I can only imagine with supreme gone that things continue to go downhill.

i lol'ed.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on July 29, 2011, 12:49:30 am
I sorta quit with a bunch of other people because i've been her a while and the server doesn't have too much custom content. WoE is endgame but 1/3 the pop is in one guild and the rest is split up. Not even sure what it woe is like now but I can only imagine with supreme gone that things continue to go downhill.

i lol'ed.
He's not being an egotistic asshole.  One less guild means less action.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: exDragon on July 29, 2011, 01:02:57 am
I sorta quit with a bunch of other people because i've been her a while and the server doesn't have too much custom content. WoE is endgame but 1/3 the pop is in one guild and the rest is split up. Not even sure what it woe is like now but I can only imagine with supreme gone that things continue to go downhill.

i lol'ed.
He's not being an egotistic asshole.  One less guild means less action.

Didn't most of their population fill into other guilds?  Also his lol was about how he thought there was a guild that had 1/3 the woe population when there is no guild in the server even remotely close to that.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: ~*Lythos*~ on July 29, 2011, 01:03:02 am
well we got LI,Woe superstars around the same time as these guys went out,and i think most of them just called themselves failures and woed under that name.

so we didn't actually lose any guild,gained a new ones in the bargain tho.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Biedrins on July 29, 2011, 01:05:02 am
^Where do you two get your info?  My oblivious little guildies.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: ~*Lythos*~ on July 29, 2011, 01:07:17 am
^Where do you two get your info?  My oblivious little guildies.

D:

enlighten us then. /gg




on a side note : iz getz mez info from iz webz!  ;D
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Biedrins on July 29, 2011, 01:10:42 am
There are fewer guilds.  There are fewer people woeing.  There are fewer people playing.  The rate of newbie drop outs isn't any worse, the rate of veteran drop outs is.  We're not quite 1/3 of the total WoE pop but if you include all our dual clients we're certainly close.  That's all I'll really say on the subject.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: slurpyninja on July 29, 2011, 01:16:59 am
Back... on topic here,
or something else than mute wise punishment?

1. lose all of their current job/ base % (reset it to 0.0%)
2. Orc face for how ever long and it can't be taken off when you relog( maybe a funny punishment but it goes to show that your this bad person who didn't follow the rules)
3. Character access deny, meaning you can't get on that certain character for how ever long
4. lose zeny amount to the offense
5. lose job/ base level meaning you lose 1-3 base/ job level

1. if they're 99/70 then that doesn't really do much for them tho on the flip side if they're 98 and allmost there it'd suckass.
2. think the red '...' is more humiliating than that but it'd still be kinda funny...
3. isn't that a temp ban?
4. if you're rich... then they probably wont care, if you're poor... hits hard...
5. THAT would suckass for a lvl 99/70 but it'd have to be something lik... seriously worthy of it. like tempban worthy >.>
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: -Solo- on July 29, 2011, 01:19:37 am
I sorta quit with a bunch of other people because i've been her a while and the server doesn't have too much custom content. WoE is endgame but 1/3 the pop is in one guild and the rest is split up. Not even sure what it woe is like now but I can only imagine with supreme gone that things continue to go downhill.

i lol'ed.
He's not being an egotistic asshole.  One less guild means less action.

Didn't most of their population fill into other guilds?  Also his lol was about how he thought there was a guild that had 1/3 the woe population when there is no guild in the server even remotely close to that.
Wrong. Most of our Guild actually did quit/retired whatever you want to call it. About 8 of our members and some add ons took force in Superstars. They had about our old numbers when we woe'd under Failures (10 maybe 12 people on a good day) but it was hard to keep even those with people's busy lives so they woe'd when they could. And when they couldn't they helped LI out with about 5 or 6 joining them from time to time. With that being said there are less guilds but you still got DR, Divi, LI, and whatever Rings can get to log for him and small non-factor guilds like Rep and EM.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Avarie on July 29, 2011, 02:33:24 am
Lots of things going on in this thread.. so this post will probably be long.

First off, GMs. Only really active one I've seen is 0806. Occasionally logging in, although appreciated, doesn't cut it. Time to hire more.
since I don't actually have the necessary commands, I can't do it without the help of a high GM, so that makes timing a bit difficult.
GMs that actually have the necessary commands. Just modify the internal levels or create a new type of gm that has only event commands. You don't need @item to give an event, prizes can be spawned beforehand and given to the GM to give out. Hell, if they can't trade, just have them make a prize novice for the stuff. That way higher GMs don't need to be on, and events can be when they want to do them.
Active staff has so many benefits.. but I'm not going to spend time on that now.  The problem is it's hard to find good help. I completely understand this, I sat as the only GM on my past servers half the time because I was the only competent GM. Those we did get in I trained until they went MIA.
I'd recommend something like this: http://www.animusro.com/forums/index.php/topic,110107.0.html Makes it impossible for corruption to be an issue. Only possible corruption is the GMs rigging events, but that's easy to tell. I would really, really consider this.

Next, main chat. Main chat can make it or break it. I've seen it used for many good things and it has so much potential, but man it can get ugly fast. The problem is when people start having whole conversations on it rather than taking it to PMs. Nothing wrong with short conversations.. but pure spam for an hour...
Then it gives way for drama. At one point I wanted to quit with all the mainchat drama. It was ridiculous.
We need more moderation, but not for the little "im selling X thing" and all those little violations that aren't really hurting anything. We need it for when things get out of hand. We need someone who can mute everyone involved for 10 minutes which forces everyone to cool down. It's amazing how much a 1 minute mute can do.
Harsher punishments? Do you guys really wanna get banned for a "looking for leech, pm me" in main chat? Oh well, if that's what you want, no problem. I thought 24h mutes were quite harsh, since I remember people kept crying about the ridiculously small 2-6h mutes for street vends and chats...
Oh god no. That's just going to make the problem worse. I know things are stressful and everyone is going to complain. That's what running a server is. Just ignore the fools.


Lastly, RO in itself is slowly dying. Not just this server, but everywhere. We do need upgrades, custom events, etc.. but this IS a slow dying game. We need to stick out from all the other servers. If we could find a way to reach out to the new generation of kids and bring them in, get them hooked, and get them to stay, we'd be set.


The server in general needs to be less bitter. Everyone here just seems angry. Maybe we need to start handing out some of those groin enlargement pills, maybe that would help...
Can that happen? I don't know. There should be more punishment for those players who troll new players. It should be harsher than the older players harassing fellow vets.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Shiroe on July 29, 2011, 06:45:24 am
I sorta quit with a bunch of other people because i've been her a while and the server doesn't have too much custom content. WoE is endgame but 1/3 the pop is in one guild and the rest is split up. Not even sure what it woe is like now but I can only imagine with supreme gone that things continue to go downhill.

i lol'ed.
He's not being an egotistic asshole.  One less guild means less action.

Didn't most of their population fill into other guilds?  Also his lol was about how he thought there was a guild that had 1/3 the woe population when there is no guild in the server even remotely close to that.
Wrong. Most of our Guild actually did quit/retired whatever you want to call it. About 8 of our members and some add ons took force in Superstars. They had about our old numbers when we woe'd under Failures (10 maybe 12 people on a good day) but it was hard to keep even those with people's busy lives so they woe'd when they could. And when they couldn't they helped LI out with about 5 or 6 joining them from time to time. With that being said there are less guilds but you still got DR, Divi, LI, and whatever Rings can get to log for him and small non-factor guilds like Rep and EM.

You know, if people would just JOIN the smaller guilds instead of running off and making guilds of their own, they'd be a factor.  As it stands, we mostly WoE against Prod and Rep.  Dark Hieix is right about most of the server being involved in one guild, but it's about 3 guilds that are the problem with their swarms of people.  The number of people in a single guild should be lowered to reflect the server pop.  Not drastically, just to maybe 30-50.  Alliances should be disabled altogether since they don't do anything for the ally anyway (which would prevent another Grand Lethal from forming, for those of you not old enough to remember GL was FOUR FULL GUILDS all allied together).

Avarie is also right.  Unfortunately RO, which IMO is better than those silly quest-based games where you don't raise your own stats but depend on gear to raise them for you (such as WoW and LotRo), IS a dying game.  It's old, and people don't want to play it as much because it doesn't have the pretty graphics of other games.  That's the most common reason I hear for people not wanting to play.  In order to revive our server, aside from doing things like posting to RMS and leaving reviews, we need to try and get some things going that no one else has.  Unique prizes like Sakura's Promise certainly help - my friend Val is back because she got one of those and loves it - as does custom content and events.  What we need to attract isn't necessarily new to RO people but those who've played on other servers and want something new.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: -Solo- on July 29, 2011, 08:17:59 am
You know, if people would just JOIN the smaller guilds instead of running off and making guilds of their own, they'd be a factor.
Too bad there's about a 1% chance of people actually doing that. People go where their friends are and where they feel comfortable woeing. Let's keep it 100 Shiroe, most of the time you see maybe two or three EMs and Reps actually woeing/capping so people look at that saying 'why the hell would I want to spend two hours getting ran over in this guild when I can go somewhere else and have what little action woe does offer'. That's not a diss but I don't see many people flocking to those guilds anytime soon. Just saying....
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on July 29, 2011, 09:01:01 am
You know, if people would just JOIN the smaller guilds instead of running off and making guilds of their own, they'd be a factor.
Too bad there's about a 1% chance of people actually doing that. People go where their friends are and where they feel comfortable woeing. Let's keep it 100 Shiroe, most of the time you see maybe two or three EMs and Reps actually woeing/capping so people look at that saying 'why the hell would I want to spend two hours getting ran over in this guild when I can go somewhere else and have what little action woe does offer'. That's not a diss but I don't see many people flocking to those guilds anytime soon. Just saying....

Everyone wants to join the winning side.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 29, 2011, 09:31:49 am
so true, just look at bg - when one side wins some members of the other team rush to their side to win :s
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: 4n0nym0u5 on July 29, 2011, 09:54:25 am
so true, just look at bg - when one side wins some members of the other team rush to their side to win :s
Yep, I got picked on when I tried joining the winning side so had to go back on the losing side. From all the times of playing bg I've probably wasted so many pots and some edp when I could've made some zeny with 'em >:(
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on July 29, 2011, 10:35:49 am
so true, just look at bg - when one side wins some members of the other team rush to their side to win :s
Yep, I got picked on when I tried joining the winning side so had to go back on the losing side. From all the times of playing bg I've probably wasted so many pots and some edp when I could've made some zeny with 'em >:(

I've blowed millions in pots too on my Pally for BG. XD
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Avarie on July 29, 2011, 11:00:21 am
The number of people in a single guild should be lowered to reflect the server pop.  Not drastically, just to maybe 30-50.  Alliances should be disabled altogether since they don't do anything for the ally anyway (which would prevent another Grand Lethal from forming, for those of you not old enough to remember GL was FOUR FULL GUILDS all allied together).
I agree with this. This server used to have a 1-2k population, correct? A 76 cap was important for then because there were enough players. Now the population has dropped, and the server needs to change accordingly.
Problem is, the big guilds already have 76 members, so cuts will need to be made on their part, and that's never fair for the new guy to get kicked out.
Alliances have always been a tricky discussion that I've always been on the fence about. If two guilds are dominating everything, the other guilds get sick of losing and either join, quit woe, or quit all together. If this is happening, something needs done.

Furthermore, the majority of RO vets looking to join a new server are woe and pvp based. They want intense woe. They want to be able to build up to woe fast, and then they can work on their endgame gear. Maybe we can try to make woe a little better here?
Things we've used in the past to get woe going were modifying the treasure box drops, not to anything OPd, but to useable items that the whole server loved. There was motivation to woe again, because you could get something out of it.

Since these players want to be able to woe as fast as they can, they want BG. I've had countless players join the server, find out BG wasn't enabled, and leave on the spot. You guys DO have BG, now it's time to spice it up so people want to play for the rewards and get that woe gear. Right now the participation in BG is limited to an hour or so after woe.
I'm sure these SQIs are fun and everything, but that's endgame. You don't need SQIs to level or have fun.

Another thing that could help the server at the same time, and give the new players a preview, is rentable SQIs. No one is going to want to pay out $5 a day for an SQI, but it's great to give them a feeling of what they are working for.  Another benefit is vet players can rent them just to try out the SQIs they don't have, and see if they'd like to buy one.

Another thing is most everyone I've talked to seems to think you need to have IC to play. This is certainly not the case, I purposefully don't have IC just because the gear slots I would have to use to get it can be used by more efficient gear. This whole misconception needs cleaned up.

Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: 4n0nym0u5 on July 29, 2011, 11:10:10 am
Reading more and more about this topic just makes me want to travel back around 2007. Wake up in the morning, double clicking to start animaro, looking at the population (1k+), sigh...
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: slurpyninja on July 29, 2011, 12:37:43 pm
Oh of course they think you need IC and that its near impossible to start without good gears and a freaking cookie cutter build. Sure why learn what your class has to offer when you can just do the saaaaaaame thing everyone else is doing. Because like, EVERYONES doing it, it MUST be the way to go right!? What we need is for the vets to back off the newbies with their personal beliefs that 'you cant be a good RO player without an SQI' how many freaking times have i heard that? SQI's kinda suck as an end game 'cuz they're so easy to get. I agree with Auu... make the arena a serious pain in the ass to get through. make it barely passable by those even with great gear...

Having rental SQI's is ble, (i'm going to get soooooo much shit for saying this) i think SQI's just need to go. A buncha the newbies i've talked to are SO intimidated by the gear and feel so pressed like they HAVE to get the stuff or they cant do shit... but... thats like, a major part of the server -.-; obviously it's one of the things we offer FOR people to join the server so ya thats not exactly even an option to take the things out. At the very least Nerf the hell out of them.

As far as WOE, they were going to reduce the guilds to 54 (or whatever it was) again but... something funy happened i think and it didn't work? (i just remember something was weird when they tried to do it) seriously the big guilds OP everything 'cuz of their size... not skill. Ya ya the champs asura, the Wiz SG, the priests heal, so on like a happy little lame family... some of these classes have insane skills that barely anyone uses. or some classes are barely used at all. Thats why i play a ninja... how many do yousee in WOE compared to champs or sinx? its been what... 2-3 months since i started WOEing almost every time and people are FINALLY learning how to kill me. Reducing the size again doesn't quite cut it... as the bigger guilds just make alts and ally themselves. I would agree, making cooler shit from the treasure chests would be more enticing.... but theres still the issue of the bigger guilds still being OP to the little ones. LI is amazing me with what i've seen them do. At time they move as 1 unit and hold the emp room like champions.

doesn't matter what you do to reduce the guilds or whatever in WOE... if you REALLY want  smaller guilds and not just 3 allied ones, disable ally... make it so you can actually hurt your allies. (again i know i'm going to get a ton of shit for this one) that at the very least forces the guilds to split up more....
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on July 29, 2011, 12:55:33 pm
SQIs kinda failed as an end-game weapon. Just look at officials GQI's (God Quest Item), now THOSE are hard to get (ya need a castle, guild, a lot of people and crazy ings that only woe castles treasures drop).

Edit cause I have another thing to say:

Thats why guilds have fierce fights in officials, WoE actually got a purpose, someone of them even pick castles and defend them JUST for that GQI ing. Allies included. Obviously GMs switch castles more frequently than here to make GQIs possible (not all castles are always open at once). Renewal kinda fucked up their WoE system strategies though, but that's another story.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 29, 2011, 03:03:48 pm
i agreeeee
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: aone on July 29, 2011, 03:41:47 pm
So many soapboxes. Not enough walls.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 29, 2011, 03:45:25 pm
i dont understand? D:
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: aone on July 29, 2011, 03:59:12 pm
sarcasm \o.o/  /sleep deprivation
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Avarie on July 29, 2011, 04:19:22 pm
You mean not enough hills to drive them down.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: aone on July 29, 2011, 04:36:49 pm
Wouldn't that be gms ???
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Avarie on July 29, 2011, 05:48:51 pm
I thought we were being sarcastic?
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 29, 2011, 05:51:49 pm
*scratches brain*
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: aone on July 29, 2011, 05:59:32 pm
I got lost. :(
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Avarie on July 29, 2011, 06:03:16 pm
Me too =[
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: aone on July 29, 2011, 06:56:54 pm
who's bright idea was this >:(
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: matteo fitz182 on July 29, 2011, 07:02:12 pm
So many soapboxes. Not enough walls.

I think you confused people? xD
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Avarie on July 29, 2011, 07:37:08 pm
That's where it started lol
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: aone on July 29, 2011, 08:46:32 pm
did not! it started with your pesky hills! :(
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Avarie on July 29, 2011, 11:43:11 pm
Lies! You're just jealous that I can ride a box down a hill and you can't!
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: aone on July 30, 2011, 12:46:33 am
its okay, i left a surprise at the bottom for you :angel:
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: yamirichard on July 30, 2011, 01:34:42 am
sorry for bumping this again  ;D ;D

but I agree with SQI's stuff... it's not really important in game.... handing it or having it in the beginning isn't really necessary to survive in the game (I have lived 3 years in this game without SQI... so sad)
although SQI isn't really an endgame stuff but it did affect how people will play and view this server

@lyronx
1k+ population?? yeah! I miss that too

anyway, we already give many suggestions here and I'm already lost too....  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 30, 2011, 06:24:46 am
what would you rather have, super godly items killing stuff in 1hit and soloing everything

or mass community of team players killling bosses together, woeing together hanging out together woeing together  - you get it  ( that dont have sqi's and weird items)
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on July 30, 2011, 08:47:19 am
People already WoE together with them SQIs.

People already kill bosses together with them SQIs. (ET, Ifrit, Valk, SM)
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: DreamerP on July 30, 2011, 09:06:18 am
You sadly can't get rid of SQIs they're here however you can make it easier to get an SQI for a beginner so they don't feel left out and do more in the game...
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: HzVee on July 30, 2011, 10:35:49 am
You sadly can't get rid of SQIs they're here however you can make it easier to get an SQI for a beginner so they don't feel left out and do more in the game...

When many player have SQI, it won't feel really 'S(special/super)' anymore..  ;D
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 30, 2011, 10:38:51 am
correct, has no rare feeling :l
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: exDragon on July 30, 2011, 07:05:54 pm
You sadly can't get rid of SQIs they're here however you can make it easier to get an SQI for a beginner so they don't feel left out and do more in the game...

When many player have SQI, it won't feel really 'S(special/super)' anymore..  ;D

We just need to improve how fast people at certain finical levels get gear but everything else is mostly the same.  I got some ideas on how to fix that.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: DreamerP on July 30, 2011, 07:14:25 pm
That won't change...to be honest you'd think the switch to eAthena would drop the prices more from the shop but it hasn't done shit nor have Ads gone down. Of course a player is going to get discouraged when they have to raise 80m+ for a Kaho then 200m+ for their Weapon SQI...yea it's a low rate server but I could be on par with other players on a different game or server in less amount of time then here. On top of which the population is 10 times higher...for example I could play iRO with 100k players for Free and still be on par with most of the population.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: exDragon on July 30, 2011, 07:21:57 pm
Well the problem is there are certain parts that go tediously slow that speed can be greatly increased with no effect on how fast rich players get items.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Avarie on July 30, 2011, 08:39:39 pm
You sadly can't get rid of SQIs they're here however you can make it easier to get an SQI for a beginner so they don't feel left out and do more in the game...
When many player have SQI, it won't feel really 'S(special/super)' anymore..  ;D
They're special now?  Not really, I see them everywhere, and everyone who's been here awhile has one. Hell, I'm halfway to getting mine, granted I have some plastic to back me up.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: A.D.DFreak on July 31, 2011, 05:59:29 am
This server was built so you get screwed in the beginning, so not a lot of players are staying even if they try to join us. We're dying because we're not receiving any new players while the old ones are gradually growing out of the server.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on July 31, 2011, 06:00:59 am
*reads text under your avatar*
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: A.D.DFreak on July 31, 2011, 06:33:18 am
*reads text under your avatar*

>.>

I am an old player, damn old. I just like to look around the forums from time to time.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Tanis on July 31, 2011, 12:53:55 pm
we should like have a jail ! :D

;D
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Alucard on July 31, 2011, 09:23:39 pm
Because people just got over the game after years and years of playing?
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Trenticus on August 01, 2011, 01:47:51 am
Because people just got over the game after years and years of playing?
Yeah I agree. It's replay ability isn't very good for a lot of gamers (like myself.) In order to get a gamers attention again, you gotta repackage the same game with a few add ons and a new title. (i.e. COD Modern Warfare 48: 'mor gunz dat go BOOM!')
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on August 01, 2011, 06:13:33 am
we need some more fancy custom stuffs that we can advertise!
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: 4n0nym0u5 on August 01, 2011, 07:06:38 am
we need some more fancy custom stuffs that we can advertise!
Porings that eat cookie with animation  :laugh:
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Miyon on August 01, 2011, 04:04:42 pm
we should like have a jail ! :D

;D
Oh I forgot about jail. That was hilarious back when we had it
Like the times people would "break" their husband/wife out of jail  by summoning them and then they'll both end up there /heh
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on August 01, 2011, 04:12:20 pm
we should like have a jail ! :D

;D
Oh I forgot about jail. That was hilarious back when we had it
Like the times people would "break" their husband/wife out of jail  by summoning them and then they'll both end up there /heh


LOL im going to do that
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: slurpyninja on August 01, 2011, 04:25:05 pm
Oh I forgot about jail. That was hilarious back when we had it
Like the times people would "break" their husband/wife out of jail  by summoning them and then they'll both end up there /heh
>.> i guess i came after the time of jail, what is it? It sounds randomly entertaining
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on August 01, 2011, 04:48:23 pm
well, i'd make the jail my hangout zone until i get banned
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: hunksurvivorx on August 01, 2011, 06:10:10 pm
Mostly of us began to play this when young, look at us now, we are older as fuck, some players already married in rl and have kids , people traveling due their jobs, and 1m excuses.
Why we won't get new players:

3d MMORPGS everywhere

Ragnarok Online 2

MOBA games

Super High Rate Servers.

Chapter 14.1

Ragnarok Online is getting older so faster...

I began to play again, but my friends are gone, no reason to play at all, how many of us feel this way?

We cannot even attract new players....RO is for kids man grow up, enjoy this game when still can kids.

an Animaro player feedback
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: yamirichard on August 01, 2011, 08:14:16 pm
Mostly of us began to play this when young, look at us now, we are older as fuck, some players already married in rl and have kids , people traveling due their jobs, and 1m excuses.
Why we won't get new players:

3d MMORPGS everywhere

Ragnarok Online 2

MOBA games

Super High Rate Servers.

Chapter 14.1

Ragnarok Online is getting older so faster...

I began to play again, but my friends are gone, no reason to play at all, how many of us feel this way?

We cannot even attract new players....RO is for kids man grow up, enjoy this game when still can kids.

an Animaro player feedback


yeah! people grow up and they got busier.... I feel that too

the only reason why I play RO it's because they got simple graphic, plot, and play... I don't like a high res game that will take up lots of space in my laptop
man! I use this for my lesson so I won't install a super 3D games here or it will be crashed (I got many important files beside games here)

ah okay! that's out of topic

but I'm sure you can find many people that still want to play RO because it's part of their childhood (for me, yes!)

and I just realized that there are fewer people in last 3 days... I wonder why??? Back to work and college??? xD
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on August 01, 2011, 09:01:07 pm
i'm waiting on good games to come out in eu  :laugh:
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: scarface1975 on August 01, 2011, 09:44:03 pm
...because no game lasts forever...
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: hunksurvivorx on August 01, 2011, 10:15:01 pm
...because no game lasts forever...

sadly it's true, have an idea; lets teach our sons to play this ;3.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Avarie on August 02, 2011, 12:20:17 am
...because no game lasts forever...
There's still a few years left in this one.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Miyon on August 02, 2011, 04:02:57 am
Well we had 3 name changes and what not and a shit load of problems and40 out of every 50 new RO servers always shut down so at least we are doing something right.

Well at least that 1/3 of the server is  8)
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Kefka on August 02, 2011, 09:09:15 am
Main problem is that Ragnarok online is old, dying game, with no innovations in mmorpg genre...

Problem is not in community, problem is in game. ( Its old and people prefer brand new mmorpgs)

Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on August 02, 2011, 09:41:51 am
>Other servers have over 1k players and others are actually gaining players.

Yup.  Definitely the game.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on August 02, 2011, 09:49:47 am
The game would have closed already on officials if it was that reason.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on August 02, 2011, 11:19:17 am
didnt the europe officials close
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on August 02, 2011, 11:24:02 am
Quite a few official servers have closed since the opening of RO, but that's been happening since the beginning.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on August 02, 2011, 11:25:29 am
oo ic ~ i want to go on one before it closes
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on August 02, 2011, 11:26:32 am
There's plenty of official servers up I think.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on August 02, 2011, 11:33:52 am
There's plenty of official servers up I think.

jRO with their 24 servers lol?

I recall euRO closing because of problems with Gravity, not because of the lack of players (even then, they moved all their userbase to the French server).
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: MittRomney on August 05, 2011, 06:14:59 am
3rd job finally has the bugs worked out, so pre-renewal servers will tend to bleed a little of their population as people switch to new servers in order to try it out(they'll likely return, because frankly, renewal sucks).
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Katakana on August 05, 2011, 06:44:12 am
i think its quite neat, i was actually exploring maps instead of killing the same monster 20,000 times for a few hours :l
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: MittRomney on August 05, 2011, 08:06:09 am
It was neat. I made about half the renewal classes. But it made WoE, and PvP worse. There's a reason a lot of servers are either sticking with pre-renewal classes or making separate WoE times with the different types.

Though I agree with the people who said this server needs BG more active. An hour a week is crazy.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: wolfthegreat on August 06, 2011, 11:36:31 am
We are having a lot of newbies joining and also a lot of vets leaving if I am not wrong... Our server should look towards retaining newbies if we want to survive... Vets are going to go 1 day... I am not sure how long I will be here as well... Firstly... Newbies need more help with there startup.... Right now the price of items are really too high... For a person like me who is so dam busy... It takes me 1 and a half months ++ to farm a DL valky... You say the price is acceptable and I say that is bullshit... Not everyone in the world is so dam free. Secondly... Our community as people said... Trolling here and there... Just look at the main chat... bout somewhere yesterday I saw slut bagel negative remarks about this server... No SS but definitely this kind of crap is not healthy for the server... It creates a terrible first impression for newbies joining. Thirdly... More custom contents to make the server more happening :) I think these are enough to retain the newbies on this server at least....
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Shiroe on August 06, 2011, 01:42:57 pm
Make WOE more competitive instead of the one-sided crap that is going on right now.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on August 06, 2011, 01:48:57 pm
Make WOE more competitive instead of the one-sided crap that is going on right now.
Been going on for ages.  Deal with it. /afro

SQILESS WOE ADVERTISEMENT PLOX!!!  MOAR GUILDS PLOX!!!
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Shiroe on August 06, 2011, 02:26:57 pm
Make WOE more competitive instead of the one-sided crap that is going on right now.
Been going on for ages.  Deal with it. /afro

SQILESS WOE ADVERTISEMENT PLOX!!!  MOAR GUILDS PLOX!!!

Well that's another thing.  SQIless is at crappy times.  If it were the same time as regular WoE more people would attend.  I know the times were set the way they are to include our international players but all I'm seeing is that the times are no good for the majority of WoErs.  I know my guild doesn't do SQI WoE because of the times it is.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Avarie on August 06, 2011, 02:30:25 pm
Times could be a reason.

Another reason could be that players worked their asses off for the high tier gear they have, and they want to be able to use it. Plus, then they'd have to re-gear themselves.

Also I just noticed a brys? yesterday. Man, I wouldn't want to give that up.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on August 06, 2011, 02:36:13 pm
I bet if the current time (Friday's at least) was the original time and the Wednesday's time was new, people would have problems trying to WoE with that. /afro

And psh, just like you guys don't want to give up on your gears, guilds don't want to give up their players. /afro /afro /afro

Seriously though, it's much easier to recruit newer players to SQIless AND gear up.  I'd totally do that if I wanted to lead a guild.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Shiroe on August 06, 2011, 02:41:25 pm
Times could be a reason.

Another reason could be that players worked their asses off for the high tier gear they have, and they want to be able to use it. Plus, then they'd have to re-gear themselves.

Also I just noticed a brys? yesterday. Man, I wouldn't want to give that up.

Yes, the gears are an issue too.  This is why SQI WoE needs to be more balanced.  But my thread on that already got locked. /bitter
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Razer on August 06, 2011, 04:03:07 pm
Remove SQIs, MVPs from all castles. Play the war official RO style .
BG and KVM stuff will only ever have value if you do the above or buff it past SQIs lol.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Valentin on August 06, 2011, 04:13:27 pm
Remove SQIs, MVPs from all castles. Play the war official RO style .
BG and KVM stuff will only ever have value if you do the above or buff it past SQIs lol.


I agree. WoE would definitely be more fun and everyone can participate.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on August 06, 2011, 04:16:40 pm
SQILESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Razer on August 06, 2011, 04:30:25 pm
SQILESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Follow protocol in all castles and allow pots.

To be honest war and pvp is still the last thing that needs to be fixed. It goes without saying that aRO needs more custom content and perhaps higher leveling rates considering the fact that renewal makes iRO at 1x faster than aRO at 5x.

In the end these discussions are pointless , its upto the staff to decide whether the server continues or they let it end slowly.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on August 06, 2011, 04:38:14 pm
ikr
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Yakusoku on August 06, 2011, 04:45:20 pm
I've been wondering this but our game is kinda hard to play. When i was making a new character i didn't even get a bow for when i went to a second class to a archer. Which really sucked cause then i had to buy some cheap composite bow which took me a couple days(maybe just my unluckiness)before i found a composite bow[3] for like 50k i think it was.. Also, Since our multiplier is so low that it's hard to get loot and exp in this server. Im not saying that i dont like it, i think it's nice to work hard for my rewards, but lots others probably dont think the same. Tickets...Let's not go there /heh

Other than that, our community is pretty nice, from most of the people i talk to, the community is nice.

The ad price has done down in the stores(but the ads just keep rising *sigh*) and a good amount of items are lowering in price. I see our server high in the ranks of private servers too.

+animusRO is just a bunch of Vets
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on August 06, 2011, 04:53:11 pm
Damn these newbies would cry if they played RS then.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: matteo fitz182 on August 06, 2011, 04:55:36 pm
Damn these newbies would cry if they played RS then.
Coming from someone who has a lvl133/112. I agree. :laugh:

Although i hate RS now. ::)
I don't think Aro takes takes long to get good at or have decent enough gear, but looks like I'm wrong.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: yamirichard on August 07, 2011, 01:39:16 am
Remove SQIs, MVPs from all castles. Play the war official RO style .
BG and KVM stuff will only ever have value if you do the above or buff it past SQIs lol.


I must agree with this... but to remove SQI will be hurt for vets who worked hard to get it....

so maybe just restrict for using it in WoE and BG will be a better idea

I still vote for more events... ^^
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: A.D.DFreak on August 07, 2011, 02:44:34 am
I feel it's the content

If the older players still remember the Server that hideously spawn itself from AnimusRO long long ago, they had like 100-200 players and now they have roughly around 700-800. Idk what they did but they did it right :X
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: hunksurvivorx on August 07, 2011, 03:42:06 am
after 5 years of playing, and scammed 2 years of work, i finally made my first SQI. the Vesper Optics, now i attend the regular woes and have fun.


i logged few mins ago, i saw a thief asking me for....gear lol.. i checked my kafra and gave her some stuff wich i wont use. and she weared it; that's kids, asking help everywhere, mostly of us just walk away and ignore them, when i began to play RO, i never beg for gear or zeny, had to work my ass during tons of years, then the help came by itself. i gave a her a hint: "work by yourself, it will dignify you, someday you'll thank me"

it does not depend of us, it depends of the new players who want to stay or not.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Qwerty. on August 07, 2011, 03:50:42 am
Most of the community does not give a fuck about the new players, so they end up leaving. The ones that stay can't PVP or WoE without getting their asses fucked just because they didn't donate high amounts of money or played like a fucking pinoy, so they leave. Game is also really old and has shit graphics, so it's not appealing for someone who has never played.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: hunksurvivorx on August 07, 2011, 04:24:26 am
however games like conquer 2.0 has like 1m servers x3
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Combo on August 07, 2011, 09:44:51 am
I feel it's the content

If the older players still remember the Server that hideously spawn itself from AnimusRO long long ago, they had like 100-200 players and now they have roughly around 700-800. Idk what they did but they did it right :X
It must've been recent because they had around 300-400 or less back when we changed to AnimusRO if I remember correctly.  lol
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: A.D.DFreak on August 08, 2011, 01:48:05 am
I feel it's the content

If the older players still remember the Server that hideously spawn itself from AnimusRO long long ago, they had like 100-200 players and now they have roughly around 700-800. Idk what they did but they did it right :X
It must've been recent because they had around 300-400 or less back when we changed to AnimusRO if I remember correctly.  lol

Ah so they are kicking our ass just recently, not before.....>_>
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: DeePee on August 08, 2011, 02:47:47 am
I feel it's the content

If the older players still remember the Server that hideously spawn itself from AnimusRO long long ago, they had like 100-200 players and now they have roughly around 700-800. Idk what they did but they did it right :X
It must've been recent because they had around 300-400 or less back when we changed to AnimusRO if I remember correctly.  lol

Ah so they are kicking our ass just recently, not before.....>_>

That server started off with 300 players after the split while most stayed here. It's not that weird that aRO had more players for a while, lol.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: A.D.DFreak on August 08, 2011, 08:01:41 am
I feel it's the content

If the older players still remember the Server that hideously spawn itself from AnimusRO long long ago, they had like 100-200 players and now they have roughly around 700-800. Idk what they did but they did it right :X
It must've been recent because they had around 300-400 or less back when we changed to AnimusRO if I remember correctly.  lol

Ah so they are kicking our ass just recently, not before.....>_>

That server started off with 300 players after the split while most stayed here. It's not that weird that aRO had more players for a while, lol.

...
The point is not when they started kicking our ass in population, it's how.We both started off the same level, what did they do that made their server grow while ours decrease, is what I am trying to get at.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: DeePee on August 08, 2011, 08:17:21 am
Well for one, it switched to eAthena a hella lot earlier, haha. Aegis was a dead platform ;(
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Aozora on August 08, 2011, 08:19:09 am
Just check their forums and news postings and you'll see.
If you want the simple reason; They converted to eA much earlier and proceeded to implement a lot of content. Both official and custom.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: The Mystic on August 08, 2011, 01:09:15 pm
...because no game lasts forever...

sadly it's true, have an idea; lets teach our sons to play this ;3.
funny xD
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: BlackHunter on August 08, 2011, 07:03:07 pm
We are just pro at whatever we did.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Neetox on August 09, 2011, 09:07:12 pm
In hindsight, I should've swapped servers back then. :(
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: DreamerP on August 09, 2011, 11:34:40 pm
I wasn't geared enough to change  :(
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: RisingRaiyu on August 10, 2011, 11:37:51 pm
Hi, Me and my friend RisingCryptic just joined the server a couple days ago, and i am really enjoying Ragnarok even though it is an old game. My friend on the other hand is not liking it as much. Basically what me and my friend have noticed is that i got help from someone and i'm already level 80 in a couple days (idk if that's really slow or not cause i barely know anything about Ragnarok), But my friend has had no help or very little help and he is level 42. So i think that more people helping new players would be very helpful. Another reason might be that the main ,real ( idk what you call it) server has turned free as someone told me you had pay for it before. So more people are turning into that instead. Just an opinion! : )
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Trenticus on August 11, 2011, 02:25:40 am
Hi, Me and my friend RisingCryptic just joined the server a couple days ago, and i am really enjoying Ragnarok even though it is an old game. My friend on the other hand is not liking it as much. Basically what me and my friend have noticed is that i got help from someone and i'm already level 80 in a couple days (idk if that's really slow or not cause i barely know anything about Ragnarok), But my friend has had no help or very little help and he is level 42. So i think that more people helping new players would be very helpful. Another reason might be that the main ,real ( idk what you call it) server has turned free as someone told me you had pay for it before. So more people are turning into that instead. Just an opinion! : )
Thanks for the valuable input! Yes, getting to level 80 is VERY good for someone without prior Ragnarok experience on this server.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Shiroe on August 11, 2011, 12:42:45 pm
Something I've noticed is that on the voting pages, there's only us and one other low-rate (y'all know which one I mean) that seems to be in the top 10.  Other than that the servers are either high or super-high rate, or have 3rd job classes, or both.  A lot of people would rather play high or super high rate because they're too lazy to level on a low rate.  :P

As for the other low rate, there are a few reasons I think they rate so high.  One is that they monitor their votes, and voting affects the exp level rate and the rate for gaining what is basically ad credits.  Two is that they have 13.3.  Three is that you can earn ad credits in game by playing minigames and killing certain monsters (which monster changes periodically).  This leads to four, you can get MVP cards a lot more easily; forget the MVP, just play minigames.

That got me thinking.  We have battlegrounds, which reward players with badges which they can then use to get some pretty decent gear.  However, battlegrounds are for level 80+.  What if we had some games anyone could play that also offered badges as prizes, and an expanded catalogue to choose from that included headgears and cards lower than $5 from the item shop?  Or something like that.  Make it a little easier for newer players to get gear that will help them. 

I know when I started Val and I ran into a social guild called Eternal Snow (the Eternal in Eternal Moon is a tribute to them) and they gave us things like 50k and uncarded but slotted gear to help us get started.  They gave me a 24k sword that I then went and foolishly gave away not realizing what it was worth, but hey, I helped another newbie and I love doing that.  The point is, anyone can help a newbie, even non-trans chars who aren't very rich.  I know I go through my kafra each time a newbie asks for advice on levelling to see if I have any extra stuff I'm not using, like the AoA I gave a little 24 archer a couple months ago; she joined EM and is now a level 50 high archer, which just warms my heart. =)
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Avarie on August 11, 2011, 02:00:05 pm
They'd have to be good enough to make people want to participate.
Title: Re: why our community its getting lower?
Post by: Auurium on August 12, 2011, 08:57:46 am
BG needs tweaking to be appealing, like she said in other words ^