Will new cards be nerfed?

[Hard Weapon]

High heal classes such as Pallies and HPs will just be huge tanks with IW + 2.8-4k heals using Bascojin + Kiel.


I do see a problem with Pressure spamming pallies that wear Kiel on Valk and Kiel mid.  Less cool down = more spam of a skill that can't be blocked and drains HP/SP.  Believe it or not, it makes surviving 2 pallies pressure-spam nearly impossible.  1 pressure spamming is bad enough.

[Emi]

High heal classes such as Pallies and HPs will just be huge tanks with IW + 2.8-4k heals using Bascojin + Kiel.

If HP uses two Kiels, they will have no offensive power at all. I think this is a fair tradeoff. I dont know about Palis though. They have always had super high survivability mixed with very high offensive capability and support.

[Hard Weapon]

High heal classes such as Pallies and HPs will just be huge tanks with IW + 2.8-4k heals using Bascojin + Kiel.

If HP uses two Kiels, they will have no offensive power at all. I think this is a fair tradeoff. I dont know about Palis though. They have always had super high survivability mixed with very high offensive capability and support.

That's the defenition of broken.  Valk Helm [Kiel] and Mini Glasses [Kiel]; the only loss of power you face is -20 int and the -20 dex loss; but it's not a big difference because with Bless [+10], 2x Sting Bry [+18], Evang [+20], Job Lv. bonus [+9] = + 57 dex, meaning you'd need 93 dex for IC, and distribute the rest between Int and Vit (not much though because of Valks +20 vit).

Priests won't suffer a big loss swapping from kaho to Kiel Valk Helm.

[Razer]

A single Kiel in a Braggi can make you chain gun Acid Demoes. I reckon Kiel Pallys would gain higher priority to be killed in war over clowns now
2 Kiels is just wrong though - They should put some mechanism to disallow it while this thing is still fresh and new.

I would make a suggestion to disallow this but I am too tired to take bashing over it

[@schoLary@]

A single Kiel in a Braggi can make you chain gun Acid Demoes. I reckon Kiel Pallys would gain higher priority to be killed in war over clowns now
2 Kiels is just wrong though - They should put some mechanism to disallow it while this thing is still fresh and new.

I would make a suggestion to disallow this but I am too tired to take bashing over it

This would probably run into effect with scholars as well. I mean can you imagine a scholar with two kiels and 190 ASPD? Those double bolts will make eddga useless. Hell try one with HW card combo against MDEF wearers. Just need to start carrying some blue gemstones to for safetywall if any scholars even still use it.

[Razer]

I am more concerned how powerful Braggied double kieled Sharp shooters will become in war. Heck we will see an increase in snipers. They already hurt high despite war reductions and gear reductions - now imagine that at twice the speed in a braggi. Same goes for clowns - Super fast tarots will make clowns/Gypsies an asset for offense too. Sinx / Lks will have to suffer in damage / cast speed just like cast reliant classes to use double kiel. Champs will get faster healing so now duels will perhaps be made inside PVP Potless

[@schoLary@]

I am more concerned how powerful Braggied double kieled Sharp shooters will become in war. Heck we will see an increase in snipers. They already hurt high despite war reductions and gear reductions - now imagine that at twice the speed in a braggi. Same goes for clowns - Super fast tarots will make clowns/Gypsies an asset for offense too. Sinx / Lks will have to suffer in damage / cast speed just like cast reliant classes to use double kiel. Champs will get faster healing so now duels will perhaps be made inside PVP Potless

I believe that would a good thing? Since it would bring people into potless PvP as well.

[Yoshi]

A single Kiel in a Braggi can make you chain gun Acid Demoes. I reckon Kiel Pallys would gain higher priority to be killed in war over clowns now
2 Kiels is just wrong though - They should put some mechanism to disallow it while this thing is still fresh and new.

I would make a suggestion to disallow this but I am too tired to take bashing over it

I totally agree with this statement and i think a suggestion about it should be made because If you bring this to peoples attention you would get more support when they see for themselves how broken 2 kiels is  

Make each Kiel -10 dex?

[@schoLary@]

Oh damn I forgot I should TOTALLY grab me those too. >.> Good thing I have a two spare slotted mid headgears. Also I have my Berzebub cards If only I could get Djinn first so I can IC. XD but yay for me. +_+

[Razer]

A question for you guys - Does Bascojin buff Slim pot heal ? It buffs regular pot pitch heal but regular pots weigh a tonne : [

[Hard Weapon]

I think Kiel should be like the meg.  -25% after cast delay (one time bonus); the second only adds 5%.

[drigerx1]

i thought they already nerfed the kiel. and wtf, if its fine on kro/iro, it should be fine for our server ;-;

[Yoshi]

I think Kiel should be like the meg.  -25% after cast delay (one time bonus); the second only adds 5%.

I like this idea too or maybe 20% on 1 and the second ads 10% 

[Hard Weapon]

i thought they already nerfed the kiel. and wtf, if its fine on kro/iro, it should be fine for our server ;-;

Right.  Because kRO and iRO has SQIs and Kahos/Valk Helms that give +20 to most stats,  and slotted Brisingammens +5 all stats plus a slot, and Doppels that give 30% atk speed.


Completely different mechanics.

[hunksurvivorx]

i wanna 2 kiels and bragi to desperado in emp room and kill bishes D: