lol nop never did
always had a lack of zeny
as for DDTT well..i jus nevr got around to it just using DDTP for a universal thing atm
and i will still have my daggers when i get my TF (is a pack rat)
already got a D and a T and an extra T to trade to some1 for a D
that or hold DT and not use it til i get valk hel

dunno yet xDD
and for slow grace cant i jus grim them to death? wud it be fast enuf?
edit: i dont go to pvp often anyways

but its bad for the lack of elements right? xP