Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"

[Aozora]

Once again Aozora...GM TALIS said that people couldnt be unbanned but that was before i explained to him the situation. For all he knew i could've be making all of this up.  The bank transfers will show everything. And yes it does matter that i did in fact stop ad frauding because by the time i got banned...i had donated way more.  And even if AD FRAUDING is so bad and deserves an AUTOMATIC ban...i did it all for me.  In the end, the GMS got the money i "ad frauded" and the money i donated...washed their hands and banned me.  If they wouldve banned me right then and there when i AD FRAUDED...it wouldve been a complete different story since i could have donated all the money i did to a new character.  And its so weird because my friend LRAY happened to have ad frauded too, and he got banned right then...they didnt wait as long as they did for me.  And you cant tell people to stop posting...if you think this thread is pointless go find some other place you can post your arguments somewhere else.  And one last thing,

"Even if you stopped, even if you donated more then you stole, no matter what kind of argument or a crappy excuse you gave that does not change the decision the the SERVER OWNER MADE"

-Yes it does. It isnt a crappy excuse. I have proof my friend.


IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU STOPPED AD FRAUDING! IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU DONATED MORE THEN YOU FRAUDED! IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU HAD GODLY GEARS! IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU DID! YOU STILL BROKE THE RULES AND DESERVE YOUR BAN!

-And it did matter because im pretty sure when the server collapsed...im pretty sure it wasnt in the rules that IF THE SERVER CRASHES...THE GMS HAVE NO FAULT FOR LOST OF CREDIT. but in someway they did have somewhat fault in all this.
and what did all the GMS said? SORRY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEARTS. and there...easily forgiven. Even though "Sorry from the bottom of my heart" wouldnt change the fact that the lost of credit was unrepairable.Smae scenerio with me right? But no i say IM SORRY and people say "THAT WONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU STILL AD FRAUDED" Forgive people. Thats all im saying, specially when I contributed to this server as much as some people might have had.

For crying out loud -_-

It is a bannable offense to ad fraud, you ad frauded and thus your account was banned. There's nothing more to it. Your case is like "I frauded but I stopped, then I donated money and only after that was I banned! This is not right!!!11! The GM's should use their magical powers and catch every single ad frauder at the moment they start frauding!!1" The GM's can't do that. They can track frauders but the can never catch all of them at once

You have five arguments to justify your unbanning

1. I stopped ad frauding and I'm sorry. Please forgive me

Counter: It doesn't matter, you broke a rule and deserve a ban

2. I was only banned after I stopped frauding

Counter: You still frauded. If you break the rules at any time you can be banned for breaking them even years after the actual rule break.

3. I donated a lot to this server and have contributed to it.

Counter: It has never mattered who donated and who didn't when it comes to banning.

4. It's a new server and GM's should give me a new chance

Counter: No, they shouldn't. All Bans from Anima will remain in Anthem.

5. I lost a loot of money during the server crash and I deserve them back

Counter: No yo don't. Donating to something means to voluntarily give an item or items for a cause you believe in. When donating you don't receive anything back. The GM's could just close the whole item shop and get rid of everyones credit and you couldn't do anything about it.

[CrazyAssasin]

blah blah blah.
i didnt mind reading your post AOZORA.
unlike the rest of the people who disagreed with me, i read their posts and even if we didnt totally agree, it was worth reading the response of other people.
Unlike yours, which you make no sense at all.
Taking the money from a person that robbed is like being part of the crime.
In the end they kept the money. DONT YOU GET THAT?
so why would they ban me if in the end the server crashed, all the AD SPONSORS were gone...and everything was the same?
They were so scared of their AD SPONSORS leaving due to the AnimaRO players AD FRAUDING and making ANIMARO look bad.
But what happened? Server crashed...everything was lost, kept my money and lots of the other peoples money.
So who won?

And you say all these things, but you never answer to my posts when i say:
And it did matter because im pretty sure when the server collapsed...im pretty sure it wasnt in the rules that IF THE SERVER CRASHES...THE GMS HAVE NO FAULT FOR LOST OF CREDIT. but in someway they did have somewhat fault in all this.
and what did all the GMS said? SORRY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEARTS. and there...easily forgiven. Even though "Sorry from the bottom of my heart" wouldnt change the fact that the lost of credit was unrepairable.Smae scenerio with me right? But no i say IM SORRY and people say "THAT WONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU STILL AD FRAUDED" Forgive people. Thats all im saying, specially when I contributed to this server as much as some people might have had.
isnt it quite true?

i would get if i wouldnt have donated at all and just ad frauded to gain my equips. but i stopped and then learned from my mistake and started donating. DONT YOU GET THAT? IT WAS  A MISTAKE. PEOPLE DO MAKE MISTAKES AND ARE FORGIVEN JUST LIKE YOU FORGAVE MANY GMS FOR THE INCIDENT THAT OCCURED. Youre just stuck up with your mentality that PEOPLE DESERVE WHAT THEY GET SINCE THEY AD FRAUDED! and even if people did ad fraud, all the money they got from it went to the SERVER you play. SO WHO WINS IN THE END? since the server crashed all the sponsors went BUH BYE. and they kept the money anyways. so you tell me...who really wins in this WIN LOOSE SITUATION?

IM SORRY FROM THE BOTTTOM OF MY HEART...you forgave them when they said that...why cant you do the same for me?

[CrazyAssasin]

its also like like the saying," GOOD DEEDS ARENT REMEMBERED IN THE EYES OF ONE...AND THATS WHAT REALLY MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND."

[Aozora]

And it did matter because im pretty sure when the server collapsed...im pretty sure it wasnt in the rules that IF THE SERVER CRASHES...THE GMS HAVE NO FAULT FOR LOST OF CREDIT. but in someway they did have somewhat fault in all this.
and what did all the GMS said? SORRY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEARTS. and there...easily forgiven. Even though "Sorry from the bottom of my heart" wouldnt change the fact that the lost of credit was unrepairable.Smae scenerio with me right? But no i say IM SORRY and people say "THAT WONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU STILL AD FRAUDED" Forgive people. Thats all im saying, specially when I contributed to this server as much as some people might have had.

As I said, you donated. The GM's are free to do anything they please with your money, they have no obligation to repay you in anyway if your credit in game was lost because they are in no way obligated to give you anything in return for your DONATION.

And seriously, what else can they do except to say that they are sorry?
The donation logs were lost during the crash which is the reason people lost their credits during the crash. There is absolutely nothing GM's can do to give any money back to anyone nor are they obligated to do so.

So we should really just forgive all the ad frauders and botters and scammers and all those just because they are sorry what they had done? They broke the rules, no matter if they did it knowingly or not, they sitll broke the rules. You break the rules, you receive a punishment. That's how it works.

It really doesn't matter what you did for the server or how much good you did, you broke a rule, you're responsible for it. You're free to start a new account any time you please.

[Haruwa]

Leave the poor kid alone Aozora.
If a person can be harassed over a mistake then they should at least get a chance at being forgiven for that mistake. If you really think there is no way he's going to get his account back then you have no right to bother him. Since you’ve said all that you really needed to say. At that point you should back off and leave him alone or it's not fair. Everyone has a right to express what they think in there own way but not if it means attacking other people at will. Either way this thread is probably his way of dealing with his frustration so he can move on and get a little closure. So let him have it and stop being obnoxious about it

[CrazyAssasin]

Sorry wont cut the fact that many players lost their money. Or will it? It wont man, and you know it. Im pretty sure it wasnt in the RULES that someday that the ANIMARO SERVER might crash and that they wouldnt be responsible for anything. Eventhough they were, due to the fact that some people got credited, but not all. So what happens to the people that never got their ads back? A sorry is supposed to cut it? Im pretty sure if people wouldve known that they would have NEVER EVER NEVER EVER donated.
Eventhough the GMS had somewhat fault in this since they didnt take precautions.

Theres nothing i can do either, since i really did mean it when i said sorry. But it wont cut it.
But no, all you want to do is point your fingers at the wrong doings.
But dont remember the good deeds people still did.

All the money they AD FRAUDED went to the SERVER anyway, so why are the AD FRAUDERS bad?

And no they shouldnt forgive SCAMMERS OR HACKERS since they really did know what they were doing. But like me, i just didnt read the rules and thought that suposably doing AD FRAUDS wouldnt be bad since the SERVER was going to get the money. And as soon as i found out i stopped, unlike many ad frauders who continued. Dont you get it AOZORA?

[CrazyAssasin]

And im not a kid. and even if i was, i still think a kid would have their own thoughts of reasoning and would definitely not be in favor of what they did to me.

Im 16 yrs old by the way, and im willing to debate on this because it wasnt really fair what they did. They took the measures that were needed because yeah i get that AD FRAUDERS are supposed to get banned, but i wasnt really an ad frauder, at least i dont consider my self one since i never knew that what i was doing was called AD FRAUDING and as soon as i did, i stopped and started donating money from my ownn money.

[Aozora]

No players did not lose their money o.o; They gave their money away. I donate 20$ to the "HElp CrazyAssasin to get his account back" foundation I donate there because I want to see you get your account back. Now should you give me anything in return for the donation? No you shouldn't. That is what a donation is, a voluntary contribution to a cause. And seriously, it's common sense that if the server crashes you'll lose your credits o.o; GM's took all the precautions they could have taken, they could never have predicted that the web server host would actually shut down on them. And if you're suggesting to manually log the donations, any idea what that would take? There were hundreds of people donating daily to the server, they had to create an automatic system in order to deal with all the requests.

Why are ad frauders bad? Do you realize why sponsors give money to the server? People do their surveys and the companies gain info, and free advertisment. Now if 1 person does the same survey 100 times the company won't benefit from it in any way but the company still had to pay for all the 100 times the guy did the survey. When the companies realize this they will remove their sponsorship from the site and thus Anima/Anthem would lose their sponsors. Ad frauders were banned in order to keep the sponsors the site had. If they wouldn't have banned them then there would have no t been any sponsors. Sure the server received more money from those individual frauders, but is it worth it if they won't receive the money form the next 200 new people who could have done the same survey?

YEsI get it, you're sorry you feel bad you didn't know. Bohoo, you still broke a rule. A rule that you should have known since there is that checkbox on the registration page that says something along the lines "I fully understand and agree the server rules" You checked the box which means that you hsould have known about the rules. If you didn't then it's your loss.

[CrazyAssasin]

Haha. Thats funny i dont think people donate out of the heart. Or some people might. But its clearly here that if you DONATE if for your own good. You donate to get ITEMS/CARDS/GEARS ect. Thats why some people were piss due to the fact that all their ADS were lost since they were planning on buying something. So yeah...that really doesnt work, of course if i donate money to THE CANCER foundation, im sure im not going to get anything back except happiness for that person, since im contributing to her cause. But here its clearly, and it says on the page...ADVANTAGES of donating...and then it says DOPPELGANGER...SUPER SPECIAL ITEM...and ect. Of course the GMS know that if you give stuff out in exchange for donating,  some people might consider donating. So yeah...it doesnt work buddy

[Denia]

Actually, when you ad fraud, no the server does NOT get the money. In fact, ad frauding is the leading cause in why we lose sponsors. Here's how it works!

1. You fill out sponsor survey for the first time.
2. It verifies, goes from our system, to theirs, and their sends back a green light -> OK!
3. You get the ad credit.

However, people forget what happens when someone ad frauds, lets take that scenario I just did, and say, it's not his first time but his 4th time.

4. A few days later, the sponsor checks IP's and cross references everything that's been inputted.
5. Sponsor realizes that it was fraudulent survey input.
6. You have already used your ad credits to purchase an item.
7. Ad sponsor comes back to AnimaRO and demands back the money they had given Anima.
8. A bad mark goes on Anima's record with the sponsor.
9. X amount of frauders and Anima loses sponsor.
10. Anima loses sponsor, thus server loses out on funds.

This is why Anima banned people for ad frauding. The sponsors would repeatedly come back and say this IP and that IP are frauding and still are, please do something about this else we will have to get rid of you. So Anima did what they could have. In the end, you did fraud, and you did get banned for it. If you purchase an item from a store, and eat a piece of gum from the store without paying for it, you are still, stealing. Even though you paid for your items from the store and they were more than the piece of gum, in the end you still stole.

You also didn't mention, how you tried to deceive us into thinking your account was banned due to a scammer. Though you came clean later on, it wasn't until later on that you did that, much like what had happened in this case. Had you come clean to the GMs at the time, perhaps you could have gotten grace from them for doing so.

Reference: http://www.anthemro.com/forums/index.php/topic,5752.msg127972.html#msg127972

Talis has said you will not get unbanned, so I'm sorry, but you will not get unbanned.

[CrazyAssasin]

Wow. Well nevertheless thanks for your time i guess. And thanks for explaining all this. But i guess theres no other way. Just like 9/11. Many conspiracies rose up when the incident happened...but the government said it was TERRORIST. And it really wasnt "terrorists." Okay but i guess thats another story and if you want to google it up it would be worth your time. My conspiracy towards the whole SERVER SHUT DOWN system is really different from yours. If i get banned for saying this, then i guess this is a corrupt server. Like a communist country, if you use freedom of speech...you get killed! haha. but im going to say this in a nice, deccent way because people wont go any where if they just shout out curse words, thats just really ignorant. My conspiracy is that since AnimaRO had much problems of AD FRAUDING and people complaint, what better way to get rid of all these problems that supposably do an OS RELOAD? All the ADS were lost...well not really, cause AnimaRO kept the money. And all the forums, and transfers people made were also lost. But its curious how the CHARACTERS were not lost. Of course with this, people who played AnimaRO would come back to a server that had their CHARACTERS back, only to play...or maybe even donate money. Because what good is donating if you dont have your account/characters back? So i think AnimaRO did all of this on purpose and ever since GM DEBBIES death, its being a corrupt server. Not saying that these GMS are, i dont know but thats my opinion towards all this.

[Denia]

Sigh, do I really have to explain this all over again?

First of all, the database that was lost was the webserver database. There was an OS wipe, and it was gone. The webserver was on a completely different server as the rest of the game server. The game server survived and continued running, but the webserver was, well wiped. That's why there's no donation information other than what I'm about to say.

Secondly, the donation information that was saved, luckily, was that of Paypal. Paypal keeps its own database for a certain amount of months, that's why some players were able to retrieve ad credits that they had donated for over the past few months. I believe it went back as far as July? So yes, people were able to get some donation money back, but that's as much as we could do for them. In fact, doing this, was out of Talis' own pocket. He started this server up with whatever he had left in his pocket and even then, gave people their ad credit if he could find proof that there was some.

Thirdly, you can conspire all you would like, however, we do not tolerate disrespect, so as long as you stay here, please have respect for your fellow players as well as gms.

[CrazyAssasin]

This is why Anima banned people for ad frauding. The sponsors would repeatedly come back and say this IP and that IP are frauding and still are, please do something about this else we will have to get rid of you. So Anima did what they could have. In the end, you did fraud, and you did get banned for it. If you purchase an item from a store, and eat a piece of gum from the store without paying for it, you are still, stealing. Even though you paid for your items from the store and they were more than the piece of gum, in the end you still stole.

Actually no. I know this since i used to work at a Mini market right by my house. If you have money if your pocket, and you steal something and you leave. Thats another story. You are only charged as if you had money, but tried to walk out. So you can just say you forgot and LAWS wouldnt do you anything. I forgot the LEGAL term for this. But yeah, that really doesnt apply here. Since im pretty sure 30$ of my account of AD FRAUDING made ANIMARO look bad, and if its like that...that they demand you give their money back, then im pretty sure i paid that ammount, and even more. So yeah...and about the whole COMMING CLEAN part, i didnt know what to do since i thought that the old GMS were still here. I didnt even know about DEBIES dead until like a week ago. And i already explained that the old GMS would just ignore me and CLOSE MY TICKET. what other ways would you have done this?

[Maryline`]

hmmm, tails used his own money? wew... I wouldnt do that... he did, a great man he is...

[Denia]

Had the owner of the mini-mart wanted to press charges against you, yes you would be held accountable in a court of law for the theft. But something such as that for the owner of the mini-mart isn't very wise to do considering the legal fees. But in the end, it is stealing and you could be punished for it and prosecuted.

You're missing the picture, even if you did pay more than that amount, you stole from the sponsor which caused Anima to lose that sponsor. You didn't just rob Anima of $30, you robbed Anima of $30 and an ad sponsor or more! And in regards to coming clean, you should have, when you realized that frauding was bad, you should have sent in a ticket to the AnimaRO gms and said, "Hey, I frauded, but I didn't know I frauded until recently. What can I do to fix this so that I don't get banned?"