Paladins.

[Aozora]

Besides you don't actually even need to strip the pally unless he switches on a GTB. And if he uses GTB he'll lose IC and his main source of damage, which pretty much reduces his webbed damage output to pure Pressure spam which will miss 75% of the time thanks to fog.

[Pasis]

What can beat them?

Hmm. I have no PvP knowledge, but I believe that a server crash, server wipeout, disconnection, GM hax, or computer glitch could ultimately beat them.

Not so sure on the fourth one, though. ._.

[Messiahic Murder]

Besides you don't actually even need to strip the pally unless he switches on a GTB. And if he uses GTB he'll lose IC and his main source of damage, which pretty much reduces his webbed damage output to pure Pressure spam which will miss 75% of the time thanks to fog.

Are you serious?...

A very very well gear'd pally can just throw on Mdef stuff and you'll either get "misses" or "1's" coming off.

This still lets them heal and such.

(P.S. I'm talking about someone with Maya Aegis)

[~Axle~]

With Mdef Gear on, The Paladin will no doubt be taking more damage from Melee attacks.
Normally, As elements said; The Scholar would be doing crappy damage with its DPS, However with Mdef gears on, your reduction goes slightly down the drain.
Say goodbye to Raydric, Toad/Thara, and say "Hello" To Quite a bit higher Crits.

Highpreists Can usually beat them as well, If you count Forcing the person out of PvP A win.

Also - I don't know one Top Paladin who uses a Stat into Peco Riding. Seriously.
Regardless though - web effectively counters that.

Its quite possible to beat a Top Paladin with a Scholar, if you know what you're doing.

Edit: Remember, No one said the Scholar would always Win. Only that its entirely possible to win in a Top teir Duel.

[Messiahic Murder]

All of them ride Peco ._.

Anyway...

They have 15% reflect.

They can heal this off.

You can't.

[~Axle~]

Thats a no brainer, isn't it?

[Legault.]

All of them ride Peco ._.

Anyway...

They have 15% reflect.

They can heal this off.

You can't.

Top Tier doesn't ride Peco peco <_<

[Xennith]

All of them ride Peco ._.

Anyway...

They have 15% reflect.

They can heal this off.

You can't.

Top Tier doesn't ride Peco peco <_<

BS. It's as viable of a tool as anything else is. 6 skill points to have mobility advantage over any other non-Lord Knight job in the game?
Count me in.

If you know how to use movement and positioning to your advantage, Mounted is a boon unlike any other, and only a fool would fail to see that.


And why does everyone think that Heal is this "Magic Button" for instantly mitigating so many damage types? ITT: People who have never actually fought a fully geared opponent.

[Aozora]

All of them ride Peco ._.

Anyway...

They have 15% reflect.

They can heal this off.

You can't.

So how much INT does a top tier Paladin spec anyways? I'm pretty sure Pally heal isn't as uber a Priest heal. Considering that you'll be bashed with 190 ASPD crits coupled with auto casted bolts and if this is a top tier the Prof is megged as well for melee damage. It really doesn't work like "Hay I heal jur damg off!11 HHAHAHAHAAA" As Gene said it doesn't work like a magic button to get rid of all damage there is.

[Messiahic Murder]

All of them ride Peco ._.

Anyway...

They have 15% reflect.

They can heal this off.

You can't.

So how much INT does a top tier Paladin spec anyways? I'm pretty sure Pally heal isn't as uber a Priest heal. Considering that you'll be bashed with 190 ASPD crits coupled with auto casted bolts and if this is a top tier the Prof is megged as well for melee damage. It really doesn't work like "Hay I heal jur damg off!11 HHAHAHAHAAA" As Gene said it doesn't work like a magic button to get rid of all damage there is.

A pally will have around twice your health.

With 15% reflect.

Say you have 14k HP.(They have 28k)

You will have to do 28k damage (if they don't heal to kill them)

That's 4.2k reflect.

Most pallys heal in access of 2k. (2k between friends)

You hit around 700 average (Crit x2 and non-crit average)

They can heal 3 out of 4 of your hits with ease...

So.. (28k/4)*3= They'll heal off 21k damage each 28k you do.

So you have to hit them for 4 times as long to kill them.

In that time (4.2k*4)=16.8k of reflect.

You think you can beat that even if they don't attack you?

[Aozora]

Oh for crying out loud -_-

Alright let's see.
Strip > Aegis reflect. You can't gospel thanks to LP, if you run around you won't heal and I can web you once you get out of my LP and continue to bolt bash you since Aegis only reflects melee damage. If you're on MDEF build I'm guessing you don't have a maya aegis.

Every single buff a Paladin has can be dispelled by a sage skill called Dispell. Defender, Auto guard, Shield reflect, all those are gone once I dispell you.

So you reflect my melee damage with your Aegis that is stripped. If I'm gonna melee you anyways why the hell would I let you keep your shield? If you ever plan on meleeing a Pally you should strip them thus they lose their 15% reflect. If you run away on your Peco I can use bolts that don't get reflected anyways. Web and your damage will be reduced to Pressure spam which will miss 75% of the time since I can just sit in my fog and keep the WB/LB/FB spamming up coupled with soul burn so that you use up your GJ supply.

[samba]

Oh for crying out loud -_-

Alright let's see.
Strip > Aegis reflect. You can't gospel thanks to LP, if you run around you won't heal and I can web you once you get out of my LP and continue to bolt bash you since Aegis only reflects melee damage. If you're on MDEF build I'm guessing you don't have a maya aegis.

Every single buff a Paladin has can be dispelled by a sage skill called Dispell. Defender, Auto guard, Shield reflect, all those are gone once I dispell you.

So you reflect my melee damage with your Aegis that is stripped. If I'm gonna melee you anyways why the hell would I let you keep your shield? If you ever plan on meleeing a Pally you should strip them thus they lose their 15% reflect. If you run away on your Peco I can use bolts that don't get reflected anyways. Web and your damage will be reduced to Pressure spam which will miss 75% of the time since I can just sit in my fog and keep the WB/LB/FB spamming up coupled with soul burn so that you use up your GJ supply.

Sounds like pretty good plan to wack a pally.  We discussed about that on other thread.  I am still a bit lazy and busy to lvl the rollback pally yet.
But you can't always dispell even I dont use gtb (O, yeah we are talking about full geared Pally.)  And you can't always stop me using pressure, IC isn't really needed.  Can just run a phen + berz (this isn't that slow if some dex is put, dont have to be a lot too.  Since LP is on, FOW and Safty dont work as well, right?  The mobility of peco pally is much faster than professor's, which allows pally to chase a professor and holycross or bash.  Not sure about the HP of your professor, but swordie with a peco actually hurt ppl pretty bad with spear.  Of course, above are only gossips until you see my little 99 high novice turns into a sexy pally.

[Aozora]

As long as you don't have a GTB on I can always dispell you, and if you put a GTB on you lose more then you gain. Without Aegis there's no IC, your offensive power will be reduced a lot. And spell breaker goes through Phen and GTB. And yeah I can't fog when I have LP up, but I would only have LP up if I was meleeing you. Also there's always the option of just swapping LP into a different area spell. As for chasing, Web > Chasing and SW > HC and bash.

[Man Of Emperium]

A good Paladin is going to stack Mdef and use Angeling or an elemental armor. If you melee, the Paladin Holy Crosses or swaps to a Status armor. If you don't, he tanks your damage with Heal while whittling you down with Pressure, assuming you get a successful Strip on him in the first place and he doesn't have the presence of mind to take off his shield.

[Aozora]

There's Safety wall against holy cross and bash. And if you don't wear a GTB I can just sit in my fog and keep draining your SP until you run out of GJ's on which case you'll be screwed. The point is that if you don't wear a GTB a Prof can have a total control over the SP usage of the battle thanks to soul burn and soul change. Without SP a Paladin is screwed.