AD FRAUD Question

[Mooncalf]

Ok I was under the impression that you can only be banned for AD FRAUD if you actually committed the fraud.

Yet one of my guildmates has been banned for receiving ads from her husband, who in turn received them from someone else. They didnt actually do any frauding. I dont know all the details, but I dont believe for a second that they would be stupid enough to do something like that.

So my question is why did this happen? Can you actually get banned simply for recieving ads of fraud without knowing where they came from? Or were their accounts simply locked down for an investigation and will be unbanned as soon as the GM's figure out who the real frauder is?

I am very concerned about this issue and I hope someone can answer this question satisfactorily. My guildmate's forum name was mystral21.

[Kaori]

maybe they r temp frozen o.o? idk i know sometimes gm's will like ban the account temp( like freeze it) to get everything cleared but idk if that goes for ads too..

[Mooncalf]

Yeah thats what I am thinking as well, but it doesnt say that its temp banned, it says "ur banned for AD FRAUD" and so I am very concerned about this issue. I am hoping a GM wanders by and explains that its just a temp ban.

[-CMI-]

i wonder about this too..
can GM explain about this

[Guardian Lord]

one of the major things is even though they got the ads from someone

1. Did they pay for it in anyway? (if they Got the ads from someone "free" then the GMs would consider it suspicious etc.. If they Bought it and can prove they did... i.e zeny changed hands then they can get off free.  That is however if they paid "market Price for it 500 k or so)

2. the IP addresses should not have been the same but the 1st counts more I think

[Denia]

All 4 of the accounts that this player did ads on, were on her IP.  Here's what I see:

Forum account #1 (IP has been changed to protect privacy):

Time     Amount     IP     Type     Offer Name
2008-11-14 19:25:23    1.05    12.345.67.89    I    FREE $50 Restaurant Gift Card [Email Submit]
2008-11-14 19:25:23    3.85    12.345.67.89    I    EXCLUSIVE: HomeRenovationQuotes.com - Get your FREE quote!
2008-11-14 19:25:23    12.00    12.345.67.89    I    EXCLUSIVE: FastCash4Gold.net (Lead gen)
2008-11-14 19:25:22    1.05    12.345.67.89   I    WIN a BlackBerry Storm [Email Submit]
2008-11-14 17:38:06    1.05    12.345.67.89    I    FREE $500 Pet Smart Gift Card [Email Submit]
2008-11-14 17:38:06    1.05  12.345.67.89    I    FREE $1,000 Sam's Club Gift Card [Email Submit]
2008-11-14 17:38:05    1.05    12.345.67.89   I    FREE 3G Apple iPhone [Email Submit]

Some votes on

12.345.67.89

Ad credits, sent to mystral21 with IP 12.345.67.89

mystral21's forum account:

Time     Amount     IP     Type     Offer Name
2008-11-15 05:52:52    3.85    987.654.32.111    I    EXCLUSIVE: HomeRenovationQuotes.com - Get your FREE quote!
2008-11-15 05:52:52    12.00 987.654.32.111    I    EXCLUSIVE: FastCash4Gold.net (Lead gen)
2008-11-15 05:52:51    1.05    12.345.67.89   I    FREE BlackBerry Bold [Email Submit]
2008-11-15 05:52:51    1.05    987.654.32.111    I    FREE $500 Pet Smart Gift Card [Email Submit]
2008-11-15 05:52:51    1.05    12.345.67.89    I    FREE $1,500 Costco Gift Card [Email Submit]

Received Ad credits from Forum account #1 on IP 12.345.67.89

Was also sent ad credits from Forum Account #2 on IP 12.345.67.89
Was also sent ad credits from Forum Account #3 on IP 12.345.67.89

Forum account #2 :

2008-11-16 04:45:40     1.05  12.345.67.98    I     FREE BlackBerry Bold [Email Submit]
2008-11-15 19:26:19    1.05    12.345.67.98    I    FREE $1,000 Sam's Club Gift Card [Email Submit]
2008-11-15 19:26:18    3.00    12.345.67.98    I    Partner with Paul - Biz Opp

Though, ad credits were done on IP 12.345.67.98, they were sent by 12.345.67.89.  Which then leads me to believe they were done at a neighbor's house or similar, and then she or someone in her household, logged on her IP, then sent herself the ad credits. Either way, the ad credits were sent by IP 12.345.67.89.

Forum account #3:

2008-11-15 19:26:19     1.50     12.345.67.89      I     MyRewardsCenter: Free Lancome Gift Card (US Only)

Sent to mystral21 by IP: 12.345.67.89.

So from the looks of it, it is frauding. And there's more than just these accounts that I've listed here. This is why I said, none of the IPs should ever cross one another. The story that you have given, does not really match that of what went on, because all these ad credits, went direct to mystral21, rather than going to someone else, and were sent via that 12.345.67.89 IP.

You cannot get banned simply by not knowing where they came from, however, as I stated previously in other posts, you are responsible for your IP, so if someone in your house hold frauds, you have frauded as well. I hope that answers your question(s)

[Saberblade666]

those were sent to her by a friend

let me add to this human so you can understand

the person who got the adds from one account, from a fucking different place and they were sent to her its not frauding you lying sack of shit

[Varis]

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[Mooncalf]

Please forgive Saber, he is impulsive and believes his friend's word over that of anyone else's. He is also a Juggalo and prone to violentness - when a Juggalo enters a berserker rage he is liable to attack any and all targets without discriminating. I hope we can dismiss this incident on the hotheadedness of youth and a love for one's friends, however misplaced.

I on the other hand have complete trust in our GM team and their word. It appears that my guild member in question did in fact AD FRAUD and lied to me about doing so. I do not condone cheating or using underhanded methods to get ahead in the game. I also cannot abide being lied to and I will take the appropriate measures in this case.

Once again, my apologies for Saber's brash statement. We all love the GM team and GM Denia in particular and all the hard work they do to make this server the best RO server out there! I hope they continue their wonderful efforts in making this server a fair and balanced one for everyone to play and have a good time.

[Denia]

Simply put, I have no reason to lie, or put up an elaborate lie such as that for mystral. I do not know this player, and quite frankly, I am only here to uphold the rules of the server.

Mooncalf: I would not be so quick to judge your friend. In the end, this person is your friend; you do not know the whole story, and nor do I. I go off of what I see in logs, that is why we highly are against more than one person, per household, doing the ad credits. Should more than one person do the ad credits in the house hold, the sponsors come back to us and we are under fire for what has happened. We have also made it a rule, so all players are responsible for their IP.

That being said, it could be him/her, or it could be someone in his or her home.  It could be his or her doing it at a friends house who also plays anthem and then doing other ad credits at home, since you see there under his/her ad credits, that a second IP appears. 

Either way, it is the player, who has to take full responsibility for his or her own IP; as we cannot differentiate when it comes to this sort of thing.

[Kain Alongrad]

What if more then one person in a household Play RO  and each have to share the same internet but each one has his/her own PC that is specifically their pc that they use? Since they are different people on different pc's is it safe for me to do these ad offers if my brother is also doing them on his account from his computer while I am on  my computer? I made a support ticket about this but I don't want my brother  to mess around and get my arse banned.

[Denia]

When I say IP, it normally is: 1 IP per household. Meaning, you and your brother, despite using another computer, are a unit. You are both one unit. Which means, all I can see is that one IP. So if your brother is doing shady deeds on your IP, in the logs, it can look as though you are the one doing those deeds.

So it isn't just 1 per PC, it's one per house hold.

If you do an ad, he can't do that same ad. If he does one, you can't do that same ad. Or you could both just have one person do them, and then split the ads in half, which would be a lot safer than having to keep track of who does what.

[Kain Alongrad]

So as long as we don't do the same offers we are ok? They normally don't do anything unless I direct them to since I handle all the money and such and they just good around and spend my money.

[No Fixed Path]

Man I say get rid of all these Sponsors. I'm almost afraid to sneeze now. Also I did the Video Profesor Sponsor and then sent them a email saying to not bother shipping it cause I'm afraid you will charger me the real fee of a $189. Hell I'll just cut and Paste it. You will see that they said they will refund me the S&H fee which I was happy to pay for the 47 ads in the first place. So I better not get in trouble for getting this money back that I didn't even ask for. I'm really not sure how It all works but I'm worried. I really don't want this to get me in trouble.

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