Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.

[Seth]

I love the game and i come back when i am able to do so,i do work nearly around the clock but i have a break soon and i come back home to see that the same thing that made tons of people leave with the OP of Ads is back,and from what i understand we are reaching the 200+players now,maybe this should go in a suggestion or something but with the way things are going it don't look good for new players and returning players,so why not come up with a set price for Ads that the GM's could set it up like they did with roll back and so on and come up with their price for Ads and put like a Ads npc or something in so that we can get Ads at a non OP i just seen someone asking for 3mil per Ad..come on i think if it wasn't to much work our GM's could pull it off,and if you're worried about donations for server simply add a bonus wihen you pay real money for Ads.
Sorry for the not so positive feed back,i just recall what happened when this exact same issue with OP Ads went on.and if this is in the wrong place please feel free to move it.
Thank You.

[Feylin]

Honestly i dont see jow the GMs can set a price on anything witoit screwing the market up more...its the players who decide the market, what the GMs CAN do is work on some zenny sinks to get rid of the ridiculous amount of zenny in circulation. Thats the correct eay to fix the OP on ads and a lot of other stuff.

(on my phone sorry for typos but they are a pain in the ass to fix from here)

[singer of strange songs]

Lol. There is NO way ads will ever decrease in price unless GMs intervene with ways to make them accessible to everyone at a faster rate that doesn't involve donating. Ads will increase in price with the type of people selling them and the other desperate idiots buying them for outrages prices.

We're still in a discount and people are taking advantage of it by raising ad prices. 2.5 mil...Get the fuck out of here LOL.

[Old Man]

its the players who decide the market

Definitely.  The issue is that we don't have enough voters/donators who sell their ads, so the one or two who DO sell can overprice with no competition.  As long as people keep buying them at the high price, this will continue.  However, no one is obligated to buy ads for 3m lol...  I bought a couple last week from a friendly player for 1.8m, and I'm sure several would sell for 2m if you're patient

About zeny in the market:
I'm sure this is a contributing factor, but it's not the main cause.  The bulk of the zeny lies in the hands of the rich vets, but they don't really need ads do they?  I think most of the ad buying is done by the "middle" class, although I don't have any way to prove that    Just seems logical lol.  Again, the main issue is that those who want to sell ads have no competition, so they can charge what they want.  The not-so-rich can still afford even 3m with an hour or so in niff/mosc/geff.

New players:
The current price of ads is actually a godsend for truly new players, who can't go to the major money making places in-game yet.  Just by voting and selling their ads, they can make several mil in a week and get their basic gears.  If they choose to donate they would make even more money.


Just food for thought 

[Kerax]

Make them obtainable IN GAME. Ads will lower in price then.

[jexanimus]

Make them obtainable IN GAME. Ads will lower in price then.

^ This plox~ 

[detoxgirl]

Keep voting guys . Its still free to vote. No complaint.

[Saurian]

Make them obtainable IN GAME. Ads will lower in price then.

^ This plox~ 

But it doesn't seem easy as it looks mate. ADS are real money. If you make it obtainable in game (ie. 'making' virtual money), then the server would not have enough real/actual money to support administration payments. In conclusion, donations loosen up the burden of the whole payment and ensures the server's survival in the long-run.

[Kerax]

It's actually pretty easy "mate". Our Sister Server is doing perfectly fine, and you can get them in game.

[singer of strange songs]

The rate at which one would get ads in game would still be slow, making donating the fastest way to obtain ads. Doing things in game would be the second fastest, and voting would be the third fastest...or slowest way. People who don't have "time to play" would still donate.

I'll leave this here before it gets closed for mentioning the other server...

The features implemented are pretty good and all (despite them being mostly PvP-related), but it's not helping the server one bit. The whole problem does not really lie with you and what you do for the server. It mostly lies with the administrator.

As long as the one in charge of the server stubbornly sticks to the "donation only" idea for the items that 90% of the current players already have, things will not change, no matter what you and other developers do for the server.

This might sound really harsh now, but do see it from the player side. It feels like the owner does not really want to risk his little gold mine, even though it's diminishing by the day. Refuses to buy a (pretty cheap) Harmony license to stop botting and cheating, does not get any topsite or RMS banners to advertise the server and attract more players that way but most of all: refuses to have a system where non-donators can also get access to the items that 90% of the current population already has.

As said before, this server's economy is based on a system where Ads were widely available. Any non-donator could get Ads pretty easily and thus a lot of people got very rich through that. Now that that system is no longer there, this server has become a donation-only server. You have vote for points, sure. But that's only a few cents every day. That's not a reasonable alternative.

If you really want to help the server, take a little risk. Do some investing. And most of all: don't be stubborn by sticking to the same system. It clearly does not work.

[Lavitiz]

I sell Kerax my ads at 1.9m. 

And others at 2m. 

*Stares at Kaeri*

[Johnsu]

Or we can, I dunno, make every item easier to get ingame.

Just food for thought.

[triggeres]

this is late...like way late but I;m gonna say it.

making ads obtainable in game ways like minigames or events or however the GMs want it to happen helps the server.

it promotes more in game activity and not just people with credit cards can enjoy getting an item they always wanted.

DONT GET ME WRONG THOUGH. people donating will always get ads faster than people earning them in game but thats a good thing.

[Lavitiz]

it promotes more in game activity and not just people with credit cards can enjoy getting an item they always wanted.

^. And our sister does it well. Anesis can too! 

[singer of strange songs]

it promotes more in game activity and not just people with credit cards can enjoy getting an item they always wanted.

^. And our sister does it well. Anesis can too! 

Your statement is enough to have a GM breathing down your neck lol.
Not gonna happen on a matter of principles.