pvp topic open or not (Continuation Part 2)

[sarita]

Well i asked before is there any discussion open up for pvp or not the reason i asked it was following

This was my Question/ comment
3) PVP (DUE TO THIS MANY PEOPLE STILL FIND IT HARD TO SURVIVE IN PVP, ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE ZENY CAN AFFORD TO ROAM PVP NOW AND ALSO THERE IS CLASS INBALANCE )

Answer
There is a PvP topic still open, Fidelis has posted his thoughts there as have many players. (Reply By GM Skoll)

And now i am confused by this answer whether the discussion are opened or not if not then why i am not able to answer anything in it mostly it's been seen and told by Gm's and Other staff that give ideas and suggestion and when we try to post it the result that we get is the thread is being locked and this point i ask what Gm's want us to post? when we speak it's been stopped !! when we write it's being ignored!!! And result to that people start ranting and that's where Gm's figure out there point that follows the following person talks rubbish so we locked the thread!!! 

Let me tell something for real every thread in order to get productive u need to go on for a long discussion in it. And for long discussion you need to keep thread alive for more suggestion and comment and any kind of idea it comes both good and bad. Even there's some part where people rant on each other but that does make sense that people on other side are giving good ideas and the only thing when the thread gets locked they feel that they are being ignored,unheard by gm's and that results very negative and people stop posting.

[sarita]

first of all i too apologize if my words are strong or the way i am trying to interpret points are wrong. I am really sorry for that my english is not that perfect so i am not able to explain things but i will try make it more lenient as i will learn it properly.


Then why is this happening that even after speaking plenty of things and giving ideas it hasn't implemented yet ? Also the results are seen before implementing a change and results are seen after the change it's been worse like in this case before pvp was whatever but i could see people going there even new ones and now there's like graveyard hardly anyone goes there and hardly anyone likes that map then why our queries and question are left unheard or not bothered i am not blaming any GM's for this but that's not the way of answering towards it if you read the pvp thread which is locked now, it's Clearly states that if we ranted there , We even gave enough ideas and suggestion which were right but it wasn't taken serious and we were forced to adapt change which isn't benefiting anyone except some people who want to make pvp dead as it is right now. Please GM Skoll at least now take an action for it before it gets more deadlier place from what it is right now.

[Malique]

This isn't a case of strong words and 'not-so-good' English. Its more like a stubborn case that one can't seem to let go of until the correct person has the time to truly progress with plans.

You can throw and discuss all sorts of ideas, but don't expect it to be immediate. We see demands to change and improve, yet very little even bother when its added for various reasons. I remember seeing the demand for Potless PvP. It was discussed and later implemented, toyed with very briefly, then abandoned just like that. So there is justifiable reason to hesitate in implementing anything PvP related.

There were those that followed the OP of that thread, but it got out of hand. You should know, being part of the problem. The thread was serious and was meant to brainstorm first, so that proper discussions could take place later. Instead, it was delayed and the OP disregarded by the same group of people. That doesn't really progress much of anything.

[sarita]

Well i told about my bad english or strong words point was not regarding this threads it was for my previous threads and discussions, Anyway i am letting it go from the time it was implemented. At first as told by gm fidelis it was only a test to figure out that it works or not so i thought it could be a nice to have test first then comment on it. But as i see things now it's like no one wants to go in there anymore and many people in game complain about it. And it's well to speak and write this again and again the final thing which was needed was to attract more people towards new pvp and want to stop ganging  but infact we have losed the people who were going regular player at pvp i too hate potting and ganging thing and i too don't like spamming same thing again and again but there it use to be a fun following a strategy and technique to play and more it was like a challenge to beat a ganger or spammer but at this current pvp it seems like everything is restricted when it comes to ACD i can agree it but when u put restrict on SP which is a sole bread for any class inorder to fight/defend but due to this restriction now only rich can have there benefits as they use blue pots instead of gj's but people who are low aren't able to play there with there class they want to. We understand sometime it takes time to implement certain thing but there's one limit for it as sir population is sinking day by day i don't want to get it more reduced that's reason we are only trying to put some effort nothing else . Also it's not that way that results are not seen it's been very clear still now hardly anyone goes there i was there in pvp just 2 days back waiting for someone to come and join but it was like 3 to 4 hours waiting and no one came in so what's the purpose of keeping the pvp as it is?  when no one is coming to play there!!! Also why are we forced to adapt change which is not helpful to anyone except certain classes!!!  if you talk about time it's like 6 month now almost and results are very crystal clear and now i don't want anyone to quit for this pvp thing so i am the only one who talks from my friend behalf there's still other people who can join but they don't want to join hence every thread related something with change or something related to change are locked and they are left unspoken so they decided to stay out of it!!! i don't know why it's been taking this way long for just implement minor change which will help everyone like(new pvp map, pvp map with monsters, pvp with no restrictions) .

[Blu Ray]

And it's well to speak and write this again and again the final thing which was needed was to attract more people towards new pvp and want to stop ganging  but infact we have losed the people who were going regular player at pvp i too hate potting and ganging thing and i too don't like spamming same thing again and again but there it use to be a fun following a strategy and technique to play and more it was like a challenge to beat a ganger or spammer but at this current pvp it seems like everything is restricted when it comes to ACD i can agree it but when u put restrict on SP which is a sole bread for any class inorder to fight/defend but due to this restriction now only rich can have there benefits as they use blue pots instead of gj's but people who are low aren't able to play there with there class they want to.

So you're saying because of pots delay you can't come up with strategy to beat ganger or spammer? The higher the pot delay, the slower you will recover your SP, the less you can spam, so I guess it affects spammers the most. "People who are low" = poor? In that case, they wouldn't be able to PvP decently before anyway.

Can't spam as much as before = less items used = lower amount of zeny spent on recovery items. As far as I can see, its the poor players who gets benefits from this, not the rich.

We understand sometime it takes time to implement certain thing but there's one limit for it as sir population is sinking day by day i don't want to get it more reduced that's reason we are only trying to put some effort nothing else . Also it's not that way that results are not seen it's been very clear still now hardly anyone goes there i was there in pvp just 2 days back waiting for someone to come and join but it was like 3 to 4 hours waiting and no one came in so what's the purpose of keeping the pvp as it is?  when no one is coming to play there!!! Also why are we forced to adapt change which is not helpful to anyone except certain classes!!!

It requires a huge population for PvP to be active 24/7. You can join servers with thousands people, if you have a weird timezone, Its very likely you will also be sitting on a empty room for 3 to 4 hours. There were lots of reasons for this PvP change, benefiting a certain class isn't one of them, Its just that it doesn't equally affect all jobs.

if you talk about time it's like 6 month now almost and results are very crystal clear and now i don't want anyone to quit for this pvp thing so i am the only one who talks from my friend behalf there's still other people who can join but they don't want to join hence every thread related something with change or something related to change are locked and they are left unspoken so they decided to stay out of it!!! i don't know why it's been taking this way long for just implement minor change which will help everyone like(new pvp map, pvp map with monsters, pvp with no restrictions) .

Both Skoll and Malique already explained why those threads are locked... So the reason your friends don't want to join aRO is because GMs locks threads on the forums? Wow...

[sarita]

pot delay stop spamming is true i am not telling it isn't but there are people who spams yggs too and they aren't bother to spam anything still it's being continued. Also Gj's aren't useful at first place due to which people use blue pots which cost more my question comes here why to spent more zeny on nothing but SP ?

Well the point that pvp room is empty i challenge you i am not saying that you are wrong about it but just see the difference when you see pvp right now at my time there use to be like 11 to 13 people coming online from what it seems to be empty by now!! idk what time zone u come to play but my time zone is like 4 hours back from the time i am posting this thread you can check thread there time will be mentioned  you can come online and check that out, i will be online at that time too you can check the pvp population, Even server population at that time which gives answer to your question.

Well i don't mind getting thread locked when certain people speaks much about it ( Ranting,Comenting,Rude) but my thing is even after getting result why the action is not being taken still now.how much time more needed? even after making thread and getting enough suggestion nothing has implemented yet.  Whom we trying to cheat ? i mean whether you accept or not population has been sinking daily due to various reason it's not only been because of pvp. My friends quitted becoz they are bored with it, The way they saw things happening in game and forums, Some of them posted as well that whatever they tell it's been ignored by GM. Also at game even if they pvp nothing new has came out it, As gangers still doing same, Some people still spam same skills, Also pvp  population has been reduced what else needed as a result when this things are still the same as it use to like before? Even more worse with certain classes  which were before at least playable with SP delay it’s hard to survive with it.

I only have problem with SP delay nothing else, As a part mostly people if u talk about pvp uses pots,cakes,mastelas, meat etc should be Certainly stopped in simple words HP items delay should be stopped but not SP.

[Malique]

...but my thing is even after getting result why the action is not being taken still now.how much time more needed? even after making thread and getting enough suggestion nothing has implemented yet.

Because it was a brainstorming thread. It was not meant to discuss things at length, yet people saw fit to do so, amongst other troublesome posts. Fidelis still has this in mind, but life takes priority.

[wolfthegreat]

sarita... Honestly speaking... Why do you keep making threads like this? Is it out of concern? Or is it to with bad intention towards this server? I wouldn't know the answer but honestly speaking, If you are wondering why in your timezone nobody joins then let me explain 1 of the reason. People wants to come back. Reads the forum, sees your threads and decide to change their mind... There you got your answer. If you're wondering why your thread is always lock... Let me tell you why... Your tone in your starting post... That brings out a aggressive tone that is also negative towards the GM team... Never once have I read your thread that got lock that has a tone that would lead people to carry on the discussion in a way it won't end up in a lock and with GMs joining in the discussion and actually reading them. I am seriously not surprise why your threads are being lock... Like seriously... TBH this thread you can ask nicely... But did you read how your first post is like? The tone? This is under the general questions section which I have no idea why... Why can't you just send a PM to the GMs and ask? Like seriously... Thats why no one is even bothering to answer your question except the staff and this is called general question... It seems more like personal question...

PS. Just really irritated by what you are doing... It seems you are just bashing the GMs to me...

[Blu Ray]

pot delay stop spamming is true i am not telling it isn't but there are people who spams yggs too and they aren't bother to spam anything still it's being continued. Also Gj's aren't useful at first place due to which people use blue pots which cost more my question comes here why to spent more zeny on nothing but SP ?

Why spend more zeny on nothing but SP? Well... Why spend money on PvP the first place? You find it fun? There you go, thats why you will spend zeny on SP. PvP isn't for the poor, it requires you hundreds of millions of gears to do it decently, so If you're low on cash to buy blue pots, I can only assume you don't have proper gears to begin with, in that case, you won't kill l33t people, with delay or not.

Well i don't mind getting thread locked when certain people speaks much about it ( Ranting,Comenting,Rude) but my thing is even after getting result why the action is not being taken still now.how much time more needed? even after making thread and getting enough suggestion nothing has implemented yet.  Whom we trying to cheat ? i mean whether you accept or not population has been sinking daily due to various reason it's not only been because of pvp.

I've seen lots of things getting implanted, read the news. What various reasons? Care to explain one? This was a PvP complain topic, now It became "everything is wrong with this server" topic.

My friends quitted becoz they are bored with it, The way they saw things happening in game and forums, Some of them posted as well that whatever they tell it's been ignored by GM. Also at game even if they pvp nothing new has came out it, As gangers still doing same, Some people still spam same skills, Also pvp  population has been reduced what else needed as a result when this things are still the same as it use to like before? Even more worse with certain classes  which were before at least playable with SP delay it’s hard to survive with it.

I thought your friends didn't want to join aRO because GMs were locking topics. Whats happening in the game? There will ALWAYS be gangers, increasing delay has NOTHING to do with them. People still spam, but they waist more money to do it decently (yggs), so I assume there are less spammers. You said you don't find anyone at PvP, so how you know there still are spammers and gangers? Why classes aren't playable with current SP delay? Which classes?

I only have problem with SP delay nothing else, As a part mostly people if u talk about pvp uses pots,cakes,mastelas, meat etc should be Certainly stopped in simple words HP items delay should be stopped but not SP.

Sarita, you aren't saying shit on your posts, make yourself clear. You said SP Delay is making classes unplayable and is benefitting some. Which classes are unplayable? Which classes get unfair advantages? If we always had gangers and spammers, how are they different now? You're complaining about "various reasons" that are making this server die, but failed to mention even one. Thats why GMs locks topics, you're being too vague, which makes me feel like you're bashing the server just for the sake of doing it.

[sarita]

 :oFirst of all i am shocked by hearing this as i was not on for few days and when i came i see this,  Now there's no point of arguing or ranting or anything could be done as it's been official now after i read post at forums that this server gonna be closed by 15h of october and new server owner thing i feel bad now as this was not expected. I won't argue anymore here.

As this thread is concern i can still tell each and every point with examples but it's now out of question when something like this happen all of sudden. So i am done here