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Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.

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Shi-Woon Yi

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Well another list of questions. Thanks for helping!

1. What does a Champion mainly do in WOE? Just randomly asura people?
2. Which ET midgear will suit a Champion more? Or does it not matter and a Awe/Ewe will do?
3. How long did it take for the Amazon donating to get back on after it was down last time?
4. Why is a PCB better for a Champion? What about other equips?

Edit:
5. Skin of Ventus +7 vs + 7 Deviling Muffler? Or does it not matter that much?
« Last Edit: March 21, 2012, 02:45:05 am by Shi-Woon Yi »
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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2012, 01:25:35 am »
Well another list of questions. Thanks for helping!

1. What does a Champion mainly do in WOE? Just randomly asura people?
2. Which ET midgear will suit a Champion more? Or does it not matter and a Awe/Ewe will do?
3. How long did it take for the Amazon donating to get back on after it was down last time?
4. Why is a PCB better for a Champion? What about other equips?

I don't main monk/champ, but as far as I know they asura people and pneuma friends in WoE. Sometimes they use throw spirit sphere as well to less sturdy class like wiz /heh

I'd like to know more too, so I'll leave a reply here.  ;)

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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2012, 02:44:20 am »
Well another list of questions. Thanks for helping!

1. What does a Champion mainly do in WOE? Just randomly asura people?
2. Which ET midgear will suit a Champion more? Or does it not matter and a Awe/Ewe will do?
3. How long did it take for the Amazon donating to get back on after it was down last time?
4. Why is a PCB better for a Champion? What about other equips?

I don't main monk/champ, but as far as I know they asura people and pneuma friends in WoE. Sometimes they use throw spirit sphere as well to less sturdy class like wiz /heh

I'd like to know more too, so I'll leave a reply here.  ;)

I did not know that! Thank you for sharing.

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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2012, 02:48:18 am »
Heh I used to play champ but was never really good at it. As for your questions.

1. Yes champ usually just asura in woe. They Runwatch and body relocate around to find hidden enemies too. Pneuma guild mates and fo if someone is in safety wall.

2. Et mid is good but awe/ewe would be enough.

3. I don't donate so I don't know the time about amazon.

4. Champ can use any other mouth piece too but as far as I know. In pvp def is essential to reduce damage during champ duel, so pcb is champs 1st choice.

Like I said at the top. I suck at champ but this is what I think to your questions. Hope it helps :)
           

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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2012, 05:57:57 am »
Heh I used to play champ but was never really good at it. As for your questions.

1. Yes champ usually just asura in woe. They Runwatch and body relocate around to find hidden enemies too. Pneuma guild mates and fo if someone is in safety wall.

2. Et mid is good but awe/ewe would be enough.

3. I don't donate so I don't know the time about amazon.

4. Champ can use any other mouth piece too but as far as I know. In pvp def is essential to reduce damage during champ duel, so pcb is champs 1st choice.

Like I said at the top. I suck at champ but this is what I think to your questions. Hope it helps :)

Thank you very much. This sounds helpful! :D
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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2012, 09:10:54 am »
I also don't run champ that much but...

1. raging palm strike is also used at times because you can stack a few before the 1st 1 goes off, slightly more useful in PvP due to the push back. they also tend to melee people first to watch for reflect dmg and if they're wearing OL then they will generally try to FO (good to have a wind fist because likely its a water OL). Occult can be used for high DEF targets that may present an issue for other strategies. Blade stop can be used defensively to take out key players (if you can't kill them)

2. whichever ET mid gives STR or INT (I don't know what they all are off by hand) awe/ewe is ok (at least they're not acc bound)

3. Amazon was off for 3 days last time, though that was a different issue I think? I thought it was fixed yesterday

4. Gangster scarf? or w/e gives +5 STR should be good? I've always seen PCB as useless
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MDEF + 2
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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2012, 09:55:59 am »
I also don't run champ that much but...

1. raging palm strike is also used at times because you can stack a few before the 1st 1 goes off, slightly more useful in PvP due to the push back. they also tend to melee people first to watch for reflect dmg and if they're wearing OL then they will generally try to FO (good to have a wind fist because likely its a water OL). Occult can be used for high DEF targets that may present an issue for other strategies. Blade stop can be used defensively to take out key players (if you can't kill them)

2. whichever ET mid gives STR or INT (I don't know what they all are off by hand) awe/ewe is ok (at least they're not acc bound)

3. Amazon was off for 3 days last time, though that was a different issue I think? I thought it was fixed yesterday

4. Gangster scarf? or w/e gives +5 STR should be good? I've always seen PCB as useless

Pretty sure Gangster Scarf gives +5 ATK and not str

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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 10:00:25 am »
I also don't run champ that much but...

1. raging palm strike is also used at times because you can stack a few before the 1st 1 goes off, slightly more useful in PvP due to the push back. they also tend to melee people first to watch for reflect dmg and if they're wearing OL then they will generally try to FO (good to have a wind fist because likely its a water OL). Occult can be used for high DEF targets that may present an issue for other strategies. Blade stop can be used defensively to take out key players (if you can't kill them)

2. whichever ET mid gives STR or INT (I don't know what they all are off by hand) awe/ewe is ok (at least they're not acc bound)

3. Amazon was off for 3 days last time, though that was a different issue I think? I thought it was fixed yesterday

4. Gangster scarf? or w/e gives +5 STR should be good? I've always seen PCB as useless

Wow. What you gave for number 1 really helps me out. Thanks a lot :D
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Kim Joo Won: What is troubling you so much in your dreams?
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~<3 Secret Garden

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A halo and a pair of wings that are floating above a head. The item makes the wearer to look like a spirit that is walking on the earth.
MDEF + 2
Add a 1% chance of auto casting Level 1 Assumptio on the user when the user receives Physical Damage.
[+ Mobbing]
May cause mental retardation and loss of common sense

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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2012, 11:27:03 am »
1. Pneuma and safety wall defense, Ruwach hidden enemies, asura people, and don't forget this. It screws people up sometimes.

http://irowiki.org/wiki/Spiritual_Sphere_Absorption

2. Get the one that givs Int or Str. Not really needed though.

3. Not a donator so I'll never know

4. The monks I have been hanging around with have been using the Geeks Pencil since it gives 7 int.

5. Go with Skin of Ventus. Both give the same defense but SoV gives 2 mdef and 200 more hp.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2012, 11:28:53 am by singer of strange songs »

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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2012, 11:59:36 am »
1. Pneuma and safety wall defense, Ruwach hidden enemies, asura people, and don't forget this. It screws people up sometimes.

http://irowiki.org/wiki/Spiritual_Sphere_Absorption
4. The monks I have been hanging around with have been using the Geeks Pencil since it gives 7 int.
1. good point 8)

4. I dunno about that though, unless I'm missing something INT is only used for the SP, I would think if Scarf can get you to the next STR break point that its much more effective
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A halo and a pair of wings that are floating above a head. The item makes the wearer to look like a spirit that is walking on the earth.
MDEF + 2
Add a 1% chance of auto casting Level 1 Assumptio on the user when the user receives Physical Damage.
[+ Mobbing]
May cause mental retardation and loss of common sense

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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2012, 12:15:22 pm »
4. I dunno about that though, unless I'm missing something INT is only used for the SP, I would think if Scarf can get you to the next STR break point that its much more effective

Hmm...

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Damage is derived from this formula: ATK * (8 + Remaining SP/10) + Skill Level Bonus. As a result, the following characteristics determine what is needed to maximize damage:

    As much Base ATK as possible; due to this, Monks oriented to Guillotine will have very high STR.
    As much SP as possible; if a card slot can't add to STR (or reach the next bonus of it), it should instead be used for SP adding cards.


Since asura relies on both Str and the amount of sp you have to be effective, both lower head gears would be good. The only difference would be the Geek Pencil giving 7 stats points.

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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2012, 12:25:32 pm »
Yes but it all depends on how much str you can muster b4 the lower gear. Even in the quote it says you should prioritize STR first. Because STR break points adds a great amount of ATK the higher you go while INT doesn't have breakpoints for SP. If you (Shi-woon) really wanted you could do a calculation based on the SP mod of the champ and the ATK you would get with 5 STR (if you even hit a new break point, or find someone that has both).
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A halo and a pair of wings that are floating above a head. The item makes the wearer to look like a spirit that is walking on the earth.
MDEF + 2
Add a 1% chance of auto casting Level 1 Assumptio on the user when the user receives Physical Damage.
[+ Mobbing]
May cause mental retardation and loss of common sense

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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2012, 12:33:13 pm »
Yes but it all depends on how much str you can muster b4 the lower gear. Even in the quote it says you should prioritize STR first. Because STR break points adds a great amount of ATK the higher you go while INT doesn't have breakpoints for SP. If you (Shi-woon) really wanted you could do a calculation based on the SP mod of the champ and the ATK you would get with 5 STR (if you even hit a new break point, or find someone that has both).

It seems there is something I am missing lol. If this is the case then why are most champs using the pencil? /hmm

Gear limitations perhaps?

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Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2012, 12:52:03 pm »
MAJOR EDIT: It is almost ALWAYS that STR will be in the higher range compared to INT wrt base stats.
So even if +5 STR DOESN'T put you on a higher break point, the 5 STR you save could definitely get you more than or equal to 7 INT (am I wrong?)
People may run Geek Pencil because it is applicable to more classes???

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Here, I'll help with some math part. Granted, as I said I don't Champ much so I'm no expert, this is more going off theory.

Full list of possible bonuses someone would use:
Kaho +20 STR/INT
Celeb +10 STR/INT
Mantis Bris +16 STR/+10 INT
AWE/EWE +1 STR
ET Mids +2 STR OR +2 INT
Vanberk +2 STR
Valk Armor? +1 STR/INT
Di/DL combo +10% MSP
Wicked Scarf +5 STR
Geek Pencil +7 INT
Suiken +30 STR/+20 INT
Sleips +20% MSP
Job Bonus: +9 STR/+7 INT
SP Mod (iro wiki):
Total = round_down{round_down[(10 + blvl * mod)*(1 + 0.01*INT)] * %mods} * 1.25
where mod is 4.7 for Monks

will elaborate more on actual calculations but here's the post

Using Asura formula above,
*editing* at work :<
again easier if you can just find some1
« Last Edit: March 21, 2012, 01:31:42 pm by rolover »
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Soul Ring   [ 0 ]   [Upper Head]   Item ID# 5257 (Soulless_Ring)
A halo and a pair of wings that are floating above a head. The item makes the wearer to look like a spirit that is walking on the earth.
MDEF + 2
Add a 1% chance of auto casting Level 1 Assumptio on the user when the user receives Physical Damage.
[+ Mobbing]
May cause mental retardation and loss of common sense