190 ASPD w/o dopple?!

[Doopy]

Alrighty, I kinda want to get max aspd with my sin/sinx.
Once I make my TF I want to card it with TTV and still reach max or near max aspd. I see people recommend dex for aspd, but you need like 30 or so to effect it by 1apsd, while 5 agi equal 1aspd roughly. So what i am getting at is, is 190 aspd worth it while having lower str but maxed agi?

I like the carding because it does more dmg with sonic blow than dopple cardings. Any tips if anyone has tried this?

Oh, and my thoughts are not all collected and seem random because i'm watching tv.

Can't wait to see you IG!!!
-Doopy/ChefPierre

[Shi-Woon Yi]

If youre going to go 190 aspd without a doppel. You can wear Valk Helm + Twin Fang. For the agi and such. Put some dex for that tiny aspd. You might also need to get aspd potions every time you go out. This is information I got from the sin discussion thread cause I was curious about being a sin too.

You can go flee build since youre pumping 9x agi. Blinker Stormy Knight. Etc? I hope this helps. Im just repeating what Ive read.

[L'Fluffy]

full agi / dex gears help with aspd like you said, but str (if i'm not wrong) reduces aspd.

have a full agi bard do the aspd song for you.

con/awake/bers potions!

[AL]

You will need pretty expensive gear for what you are trying-
+20 agi Gryph Valk
+3 Agi Gryphon ET mid
+7 agi Scroll of the ancient art
+15 agi from your TF
Any footgear/garment
+10 agi Dual Kobold Bris (I guess celebs/sting bris would work too)
+10 agi Stat food
A 99/70 Sinx (+15 agi, +10 Dex)
Awake Pot
And obviously 99 base agi. All this should get you to 190 aspd.

[Doopy]

I have the food, two celebs, wild valk and mids plus scroll. I need et mid and non-dopple tf to test. Thanks for the feedback. Dex is a waste, from my test builds. I had 187 with +5 infil, so pretty sure the 15 agi = 3 aspd. And that was with my sin, NT. If someone has tf w/o dopple i could test with would be perfect. I have collateral lol. But i know nobody trusts me.

Plus i would love to test dmg as well.

Flee builds are great but magic >flee. And people have phree cards.

[rolover]

Through my calculator, provided you use awakening potion, and have 21 dex (10 celeb 10 job 1 base) you need 185 total agi for 190 aspd

same thing for berserk potion (linked alchemist serk pitch) you need 180 total agi

for drinking edp (25% aspd boost) you need 175 agi

give me additional parameters and I'll run it through, but that's the results for now

[Doopy]

Now, do you guys agree with the carding? I wont always have fcp... so V. Plus the attack should be high enough for a linked Sonic Blow. Just slap on kaho and dex gear and food...

[Evilness45]

Having 250 agi or 1000 dex or any combination between the two ensure max aspd with any weapon, regardless of job.

[Doopy]

Having 250 agi or 1000 dex or any combination between the two ensure max aspd with any weapon, regardless of job.

The purpose of thos post is to ask about a build i am working on. Like if it is worth. I know its possible...

[rolover]

I know archer classes can get 190 w/o doppel because they have attention concentrate, I dunno if its worth it for a sin/sinx to try for 190 aspd
you're better off making TTT TF for SB only or 185+ aspd melee or depend on full adrenaline rush/other buffs

DTT will let you balance out more and stat more in vit and such

[Doopy]

Well thanks for the feedback. Its something i am hesitant about. I didnt think a.rush worked without mace. And linked... i thought it just meant the caster. Lower str means lower luk means more vit.

Calced a ROUGH build and had pretty much the same amount of vit

[Doopy]

Dmg?

[exDragon]

If your willing you give up your sleipnirs you can get 5% aspd with battle grounds set.  The set actually gives you slightly more effective hp then sleipnir does.  Its only down side is you don't have fast walk and you have less magic defense.

[AL]

It took 180 AGI/40 DEX to reach 190 ASPD using TTx Twin Fang (~90 base AGI)
It took 141 AGI/40 DEX to reach 190 ASPD using DTT Twin Fang (~50 base AGI)

I used what AL posted along with Osiris clip for the extra boost from Increase AGI.

Ah i knew i forgot something =x
At Doopy- If you want a really good build go for TTT. Its one of the best provided you can pull it off. You also get some massive flee for FO champs and SP LK's