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Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please! Fixed :D

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Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please! Fixed :D
« on: August 20, 2011, 10:48:32 am »
I just transed my LK and i was so excited about using spiral pierce (clashing spiral), but at the time of testing it, i got surprised for the low dmg done, so i looked up again in rms, made some calcs, and found out something isnt right xD
I dont know if im not understanding the skill, but as far as i know, it should make 5 hits of 350% each, that also ignores def/vit def.
Im using fire endow in mavkas (wich get 200% from fire), with a trident with 3 +20% cards, so i should be dealing: atk * 3,5 (350%) * 5 * 2 (200%) * 1,6 (100% + 60% from cards).
I have 498 atk, but somehow im only doing 7.5k dmg to mavkas, when with that formula i should be doing like 28k xD Can someone help me with this? Is 350% the sum of all 5 hits? its not counting the fire endow? help x3 x3 x3!!!!
« Last Edit: August 23, 2011, 08:24:26 am by CrowdedMind »

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2011, 10:50:17 am »
I just transed my LK and i was so excited about using spiral pierce (clashing spiral), but at the time of testing it, i got surprised for the low dmg done, so i looked up again in rms, made some calcs, and found out something isnt right xD
I dont know if im not understanding the skill, but as far as i know, it should make 5 hits of 350% each, that also ignores def/vit def.
Im using fire endow in mavkas (wich get 200% from fire), with a trident with 3 +20% cards, so i should be dealing: atk * 3,5 (350%) * 5 * 2 (200%) * 1,6 (100% + 60% from cards).
I have 498 atk, but somehow im only doing 7.5k dmg to mavkas, when with that formula i should be doing like 28k xD Can someone help me with this? Is 350% the sum of all 5 hits? its not counting the fire endow? help x3 x3 x3!!!!
Check the weight of the weapon, plays a big role in damage potential.
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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2011, 10:52:41 am »
trident

Found your issue, I think. Use a heavier spear. Its 350% a hit. You shouldn't be doing 28k with a trident or else Spiral Pierce with Nib would do like 70k anyday... <_< I think you calculated it wrong.


Hunting Spear and Cardo are best before SQI.

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2011, 12:23:15 pm »
trident

Found your issue, I think. Use a heavier spear. Its 350% a hit. You shouldn't be doing 28k with a trident or else Spiral Pierce with Nib would do like 70k anyday... <_< I think you calculated it wrong.


Hunting Spear and Cardo are best before SQI.

Well, i will try with those i guess.
Guess the skill description is just wrong xD
Ty all of you :)

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2011, 12:34:57 pm »
trident

Found your issue, I think. Use a heavier spear. Its 350% a hit. You shouldn't be doing 28k with a trident or else Spiral Pierce with Nib would do like 70k anyday... <_< I think you calculated it wrong.


Hunting Spear and Cardo are best before SQI.

Well, i will try with those i guess.
Guess the skill description is just wrong xD
Ty all of you :)

Never trust in-game descriptions.

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2011, 01:20:48 am »
trident

Found your issue, I think. Use a heavier spear. Its 350% a hit. You shouldn't be doing 28k with a trident or else Spiral Pierce with Nib would do like 70k anyday... <_< I think you calculated it wrong.


Hunting Spear and Cardo are best before SQI.

Well, i will try with those i guess.
Guess the skill description is just wrong xD
Ty all of you :)

Never trust in-game descriptions.
especially with the new skills names >_>

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2011, 06:18:27 am »
especially with the new skills names >_>

FOCUSED ARROW STRIKE YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2011, 07:10:49 am »
Hahaha, i didnt used ingame one, i used rsm one, and iro-wiki one. None of them talked about HOW important weight is, they said it was "just a plus" xDDD Besides, im gonna experiment with two-handed swords, since it looks like now they also work for spiral

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2011, 07:45:09 am »
Hahaha, i didnt used ingame one, i used rsm one, and iro-wiki one. None of them talked about HOW important weight is, they said it was "just a plus" xDDD Besides, im gonna experiment with two-handed swords, since it looks like now they also work for spiral


2handed with spiral?
I doubt it v much.
but let me know how it turns out.

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2011, 09:16:33 am »
Any weapon a LK can weild will work for spiral!

Cast spiral with spear ---> Swap to weapon before cast finishes ---> Enjoy excellent damage

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2011, 09:18:37 am »
Any weapon a LK can weild will work for spiral!

Cast spiral with spear ---> Swap to weapon before cast finishes ---> Enjoy excellent damage
Yeah but I thought he meant use a sword to cast. >_>

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2011, 09:45:46 am »
Hahaha, i didnt used ingame one, i used rsm one, and iro-wiki one. None of them talked about HOW important weight is, they said it was "just a plus" xDDD Besides, im gonna experiment with two-handed swords, since it looks like now they also work for spiral

Careful when using the iRO Wiki, they've updated to Renewal and formulas have changed, specially Clashing Spiral, is going to get nerfed real bad soon in Renewal.

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2011, 02:55:22 pm »
Well, things i've discovered:
No, u cant cast the skill with swords, but yes, u can swap weaps before it ends casting.
Second, it actually only depends on WEAP WEIGHT. I tried wearing a bsb, and not wearing it (100 atk its a high diff...) and the skill dmg was EXACTLY THE SAME. Also, using a triden and a pike, wich have like 90 atk diff between each other, but only 20 weith dif, and the dif was minimal (2.1 with the trident, and 1.8 with the pike).
Third, weap upgrades at lvl 4 give a HUGE diference. I made 5.8k with a +4 brionac (120 weight, lvl 4) against a 5.1k with a +7 very very very strong lance (250 w8, lvl 3) and finally 4.9k with a +0 lance. So, +4 upgrade at lvl 4 beated even a +3 up of a lvl 3 and a 120 weight diff.
Elemental endow works exactly as rms says (tried with the same monster, with an elemental weaknes of 150% and got the perfect extra dmg)
I think percent cards also work fine.
So in conclusion, the importance to get more dmg would be:
amounth and lvl of upgrades > weight > atk(skill doesnt use it) + cards and element. So i guess the best is to get a heavy lvl 4 weap, and try to upgrade it as much as posible

[Modify: Also dont forget the size dmg modifier]
« Last Edit: August 22, 2011, 03:00:01 pm by CrowdedMind »

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2011, 02:57:06 pm »
especially with the new skills names >_>

FOCUSED ARROW STRIKE YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
No, must be Sharp Shooting!!! >_>

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Re: Spiral pierce not working properly? Help please!
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2011, 04:36:04 pm »
especially with the new skills names >_>

FOCUSED ARROW STRIKE YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
No, must be Sharp Shooting!!! >_>

No one uses the new names though..

It's always " he asura'd u "

" Damn SS "
etc.