can anyone do the calculation for me?

[Maryline`]

If I were to train in prison against those zombies using these:

Teddy bear card + deviling + bloody shackles ball + evil druid

How much reduction do I really have?

[Old Man]

(100% damage) * (100-30% teddy) * (100-50% dev) * (100-20% shackle) = 28% damage taken

Which means you get a 72% damage reduction from neutral attacks.  If you wear ED then all of their element attacks will miss.  I think you'll need to wear shackles too (not just the ball) to get the reduction, since it's a combo.

This should be right someone can double check 

[EmptyMoon]

That was correct.
Now let me give OP an example.

(Damage) x ([1 - 0.3] * [1 - 0.5] * [1 - 0.2]) = final damage received.



 ► (Zombie Prisoner's attack = 930 ) x ([ 0.7 ] * [ 0.5 ] * [ 0.8 ])

 ► (930) x ( 0.28 ) = 260.4 damage (from only 1 zombie)

*each vit also reduces final damage by 1


SLOWPOKE EDIT:



assume your armors also provide extra 20 DEF

the total damage received will be (930) x (0.22) = 204.6

That's already low enough if you ask me, but if you want to be hit less than that without any help from vit defense....
Let's say you want to receive less than 120 dmg from a zombie prisoner.

you'll need at least 42 Def from armor/skills (such as divine protection, etc.)

[Maryline`]

what if it includes providence for instant? and angelus? without having vit more than 40, is it possible for zombies to hit you with less than 10 dmg?

[Valentin]

Providence only affects demon and holy race attacks, not undead. Angelus level 10 on a 40 vit character would mean 40*(1.5)= 60 pure damage reduction. Probably not possible to get less than 10 damage unless you get assumptio and a really high defense.

[Maryline`]

my bad on the providence part...

on the divine protection side, (copied from RMS)
Reduces damage from Undead property and Demon family monsters by (3*SkillLV)+[0.04*(BaseLV + 1)]. Damage is subtracted after DEF reductions.
Does not work against Players. Base increment without BaseLV modification.

I dont really understand the part colored red.
BaseLV of player or monster? and does this mean the damage is reduced after
(100% damage) * (100-30% teddy) * (100-50% dev) * (100-20% shackle) = 28% damage taken

or reduced from the initial damage?

Also, how does angelus works? "Increases the DEF from VIT of all party members on screen by (5*SkillLV)%. Does not increase anything else that has to do with VIT at all." I don't really get the maths part...

Sorry for all the questions /panic

[Old Man]

No problem XD

The red part just shows the extra def angelus gives you from your base lvl.  The numbers it shows on the skill info are just the 1st part, before it adds in that extra bit for your base lvl.

Vit defense subtracts from the damage (100 - 20 = 80).  Armor and card defense reduces by a percentage (100 * .2 = 20).  Armor and card def comes first, so you'll get that 28% we showed you.

THEN comes the vit def from your vit and things like angelus.  This gets subtracted off the damage and what's left is the damage you take.  This is the def that angelus increases.

I can give an example if you need it.  

[Valentin]

my bad on the providence part...

on the divine protection side, (copied from RMS)
Reduces damage from Undead property and Demon family monsters by (3*SkillLV)+[0.04*(BaseLV + 1)]. Damage is subtracted after DEF reductions.
Does not work against Players. Base increment without BaseLV modification.

It just means that the RMS calculations for the DEF+ doesn't have the base level factor in it yet. And yes it is your base level not the enemy's. Frankly, it's pretty useless seeing as even at level 99 you would be getting, at level 10 Divine Protection, (3*10)+[0.04*(99+1)] = 34 , just 4 more soft defense than the level 1 player lol.

As for when it's calculated, I'm not sure about the order but soft defense, or VIT, is always calculated last so yes divine protection comes after the 28% reduction or specifically, it's added with VIT defense since its also soft defense.

Angelus only affects your base VIT and not any other bonuses that give a boost to your VIT, like say job level bonuses and gears. The formula just means you gain an additional 5% soft defense for every skill level in Angelus. So:
50 base VIT
Level 1 Angelus = 50*1.05 = 52.5 = You get an additional 2.5 damage reduced from enemy attacks.
        2 Angelus = 50*1.10 = 55 = Additional 5 damage reduced from attacks. And so on.

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[Maryline`]

Imma try this again,

With these reduction gears:
1. Teddy bear card - 30% reduc.
2. Bloody S.B + Shackles -  20% reduc.
3. Deviling card - 50% reduc. (dmg from undead properties are neglected with ED card)
4. Munak Hat - 10% reduc.

So, the initial reduction would be: (lets say dmg from zombie prisoner is 930 as stated in RMS)

Damage	=[zombie's damage (930)] x [Teddy card (1-0.30)] x [BSB (1-0.2)] x [Deviling card (1-0.5)] x [Munak Hat (1-0.1)]
	=234.36

Lets say the armor vit is 20 def, base vit is around 40 and additional bonus vit is 10.
With Level 10 Divine Protection and Level 10 Angelus, what would be the final damage received?

[EDIT] This is nonsense... /shy [/EDIT] Sorry and thanks for all the trouble guys!

[Valentin]

It would be:

234.36 x 0.8 = 187.488 (this is your hard defense or Armor Defense)
187 - (40 + 10) = 137 (this is your VIT or soft defense with bonuses)
137 - 34(assuming you are at level 99) = 103 (this is Divine Protection)
103 - 40*0.5 = 83 (this is for Angelus which added 20 more damage reduction from your VIT)

So your final damage received would be 83. I suggest you get assumptio to reduce this damage even more. And don't be afraid to question! It is never wrong to question, but to accept everything you see as it is.

[Maryline`]

It would be:

234.36 x 0.8 = 187.488 (this is your hard defense or Armor Defense)
187 - (40 + 10) = 137 (this is your VIT or soft defense with bonuses)
137 - 34(assuming you are at level 99) = 103 (this is Divine Protection)
103 - 40*0.5 = 83 (this is for Angelus which added 20 more damage reduction from your VIT)

So your final damage received would be 83. I suggest you get assumptio to reduce this damage even more. And don't be afraid to question! It is never wrong to question, but to accept everything you see as it is.

of course I'm afraid