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[john rayl]

I was thinking of putting a gryph card or a sk card on it, can anyone help me suggest which card is good?

[pepesmith]

Kiel/Gryph is better imo!... SK seems not so famous in VO!

[skith]

Is it for a SN or GS?

[john rayl]

Gs, and no i think i don't need kiel anyway.

[Valash_Vrayr]

Gryph for Gunner. Crits are nice, otherwise it's pretty poor damage.

SK/Pharoah for SNovice. They can reach amazing FLEE potential, and already have Fury for high CRIT. Pharoah can be nice, if you like to get a tad more usage of your SP pool, instead of cast/GJ/cast/GJ/cast/GJ. Get's pretty repetative rather quickly.

[goldmind]

     Mine has Pharoh in it. Pretty useful for Shotgun Frenzy (Full Buster) spammage. Between SK or Gryph, I'd say Gryph is better. You can get +200 FLEE with 87 base AGI which I guess (emphasis on I guess) is decent flee compared to your average FLEE-oriented classes ... with all that AGI invested it'd be like a substitution for SK and you can still get good damage out of DEX.

[Eruruw]

Kiel.

Other cards are nice for utility, but Kiel directly affects damage output by allowing you to use skills faster. It's the best option for GS and SN, hands down.

[goldmind]

     I disagree on Kiel. The overall benefit of less GJ luggage > a quarter percent of after-cast reduction in addition to its -3 DEX.

[Valash_Vrayr]

I'm as much of a fan of Kiels as the next guy, but I don't see it beneficial at all to either of those classes. A basic Pharoah/Gryph/SK, I find would have greater potential. Even the SK would be mainly SN only, just because of the intense FLEE they can reach. Not so much for Gunner though.

[john rayl]

thanks guys, and after what you guys said, i might stick to pharaoh or gryph.