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account ban......?

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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2011, 02:35:06 am »
I think India as well
Depends on ISP. My current ISP provides a static ISP. Although , you could hide behind a proxy and make your IP look different or even use a VPN.

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but I don't think you'd like that.
Neither would the staff, since if you go around banning country IPs you'd pretty much end up with negative reviews , lack of player base and eventually dead server.

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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2011, 01:44:17 pm »
Haruwa, ad frauding is a PERFECT example of what you mean when you say:

IMO the only time someone should loose an in game account, since they can continue to have and make as many in game accounts as they please quite lawfully, is if that in game account made some kind of underhanded profit through the use of the forums account. If not then for the life of me I can't see how one is really matters to the other and it doesn't hurt anything to leave the in game account alone in that case because they didn't do anything wrong with it.

And because of this action, it's deemed that that player loses their forum privileges completely, like we've said, they are welcome to create as many in game accounts as possible, but that action (of ad frauding in this case) is, or is capable of being, extremely destructive to the server as a whole.  Since like Fidelis said, IP's are EASILY changed, a simple IP ban is never enough, even though that's what's usually done, the extra incentive is added to not create more forum accounts because we'll move to your in game accounts, which most players care about.

And as far as I'm aware, this is how all cases have been handled, throughout the many names our server has seen.

Your example of kicking doesn't make much sense, as in your example you did nothing to provoke the second attack, but in this case, there was provocation on the offender's part that broke the rules, and thus caused a reaction from us.
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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2011, 02:10:47 pm »
Indeed it is... for the first time.

If they didn't ad fraud the second time as well then they shouldn't loose their in game accounts.

My example does make plenty of sense. Banning them in game and out again out of the blue after a whole year is pretty random and unless they were doing something bad with the new forum account it does seem kinda unprovoked. I honestly don't see the harm in them having the forums account if they learned their lesson and if after all this time they didn't do anything bad with it... well I think the good behavior should be taken into account since they had plenty of time to cause trouble but didn't and obviously did learn something from the first punishment because they didn't cause any trouble this time around. I can't see them learning anything from this second time can you? *takes your moral high ground and burns it* If they didn't make a new forum account just to break the rules and do more less than legal things then just take the forums account away again and be done with it there unlike the first time just chatting with friends or making a selling thread or two is not harmful to the server in any way. I mean really. There should be a statute of limitations on catching those kind of things. Otherwise it's excessive use of force.

I'm not saying you shouldn't react just that the way your reacting is a bit much.
It's like punching someone for bumping into you. Yeah they maybe shouldn't have been in there but still...

They may not have been doing their part as a player properly by making another forums account but more than anything you guys failed them as mods too. If you tired harder and did your job properly they wouldn't have lost all their much honest work invested into that in game account because you could/would have caught this right away. ARO staff is human, I get it, sometimes mistakes happen and things slip through the cracks but all that fine understanding should go both ways sometimes. It's not a real second chance despite what you guys want to call it when you won't compromise a single inch on anything and your so easily willing to suspect someone is up to no good or eternally crucify them for a past mistake just so you can take everything they've put fair, rule abiding, honest work into away from them.

Either way I give up on this topic. Talking to you of all people here is the most useless thing I could possibly try since you're generally biased where my person is concerned and I don't feel like accidentally saying something excessively "bad" so you can run off at the mouth and tell Yuyu I'm bullying you again.  =3=








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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2011, 02:38:35 pm »
Let me get this straight, Forum Account Number 1; banned for Ad Fraud [ When the Ad Voting was still available ]... He/She changed the IP address then contacted GMs by asking if there's any possibility to let them play again. But, a GM who was on the case told he/she, "You can start the Game Fresh with a New Forum Account and Game Account on the Anniversary of there First Forum Account Banning that was banned for Ad Frauding.." But! The Person made a New Forum account right away instead of making it on the Anniversary of there First Forum account banning..., which the GM told the person to do... Is there a possibility that the GMs told the person this on the First Banning of Forum Account Number 1?

Now Forum Account Number 2 got banned for...?

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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2011, 02:51:50 pm »
Your example makes no sense, you had 0 provocation in it for the second attack.  As to "banning them in game and out again out of the blue after a whole year".  It was not out of the blue, he got banned a year ago, in game and on forum.  He was told he could make in game accounts, but forum accounts would be out of the question.  He seemed to understand eventually, despite trying to barter with us via bribery, and all was fine.  A year later, he made another forum account, which we had specifically told him was not allowed, and we followed through with the correct punishments, a banning on the forum account, and in game accounts.

Certainly some players may indeed, learn their lesson and never do it again, but unfortunately, we cannot make that choice on a case by case basis, we do not know the players personally, and thus wide judgement calls must be made on such subjects.  We cannot, and do not make exceptions for anyone, and that is how it is.

How did we fail them as mods, we caught them rule breaking the first time, and explained it, very clearly, what was going to happen, and what they were allowed, and not allowed to do.  They followed those rules fine for a while, and then broke them, and we came down on them.  Just because time passed doesn't mean we're suddenly ok with the fact that they broke some pretty major rules in the past.

Playing on the server is a privilege, not a right, and as the people put in charge of making sure it's policed correctly, Haine, Tesla, and Talis all make judgement calls on stuff like this.  They decide on how things are handled, and that's the final say.

As to my being biased, I fail to see how you're at all any deciding factor on what side I take in a fight, being as insignificant as you are in the grand scheme of things, and ironically, I do not speak with yuyu, we spoke little while we were on staff(we spoke about DA, and that was as far as our relationship went), and we speak never now that they have left staff.


Let me get this straight, Forum Account Number 1; banned for Ad Fraud [ When the Ad Voting was still available ]... He/She changed the IP address then contacted GMs by asking if there's any possibility to let them play again. But, a GM who was on the case told he/she, "You can start the Game Fresh with a New Forum Account and Game Account on the Anniversary of there First Forum Account Banning that was banned for Ad Frauding.." But! The Person made a New Forum account right away instead of making it on the Anniversary of there First Forum account banning..., which the GM told the person to do... Is there a possibility that the GMs told the person this on the First Banning of Forum Account Number 1?

Now Forum Account Number 2 got banned for...?

Forum accounts 1 through a few, banned for ad frauding.

NOBODY told them they could make a new forum account.  They were told they could make new in game accounts

They made a new forum account, and it got banned with their in game accounts as per the rules.
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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2011, 02:56:49 pm »
Let me get this straight, Forum Account Number 1; banned for Ad Fraud [ When the Ad Voting was still available ]... He/She changed the IP address then contacted GMs by asking if there's any possibility to let them play again. But, a GM who was on the case told he/she, "You can start the Game Fresh with a New Forum Account and Game Account on the Anniversary of there First Forum Account Banning that was banned for Ad Frauding.." But! The Person made a New Forum account right away instead of making it on the Anniversary of there First Forum account banning..., which the GM told the person to do... Is there a possibility that the GMs told the person this on the First Banning of Forum Account Number 1?

Now Forum Account Number 2 got banned for...?
What's with that anniversary thing? This is already the second time you posted this, nobody ever said anything about the player being able to create another forum account on the anniversary of the first ban ... ಠ_ಠ

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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2011, 06:58:03 pm »
He didnt made those second forum acct 1year after.  It was created soon after he got banned the first time. Apparently he had a new IP after he got banmed so he created those forum acct not knowing it would still be illegal. He work hard to get back on his feet after almost a year to just see all his hard work to be taken away. I dont know why its so hard for you GMs to understand. Even Haine think its a lil too late for Tesla to ban the guy and yetit feels like he's  being stubborm to not even recognize that.


I know people gets unbanned for something more severe than this. Why dont they exercise their mercy for this individual who didnt intend to cause anybody harm or advantage.
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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2011, 08:58:02 pm »
He didnt made those second forum acct 1year after.  It was created soon after he got banned the first time. Apparently he had a new IP after he got banmed so he created those forum acct not knowing it would still be illegal. He work hard to get back on his feet after almost a year to just see all his hard work to be taken away. I dont know why its so hard for you GMs to understand. Even Haine think its a lil too late for Tesla to ban the guy and yetit feels like he's  being stubborm to not even recognize that.


I know people gets unbanned for something more severe than this. Why dont they exercise their mercy for this individual who didnt intend to cause anybody harm or advantage.

Well, on the one hand (the staff side of me), then he was DEFINITELY breaking blatant rules, and disregarding fidelis' decree that in game was ok, forum was no go.  And he simply CANNOT try to defend against the fact fidelis explicitly said that forum accounts were out of the question.  (Which he tried in a pretty low tactic of trying to alter copy pasta by leaving specific parts out, which doesn't help his cause AT ALL).  His history of what he's tried in previous tickets doesn't help.

On the other hand (the player side), if it's been a while, somewhat harsh.

Regardless, in the end, it is Tesla's decision, we will uphold and back Tesla's decision, and the player's history does not help, at all, with some of the previous tactics tried in tickets.  My personal decision would probably be on the same route as Tesla, it's a little late, but rules are rules, and just because it wasn't found immediately doesn't mean it isn't any less grounds for banning.
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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #68 on: February 26, 2011, 12:08:52 pm »

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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #69 on: February 26, 2011, 12:10:24 pm »


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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #70 on: February 27, 2011, 01:34:09 am »
What if you changed your ip address due to moving and you end up with the ad faurd ip adress?

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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #71 on: February 27, 2011, 01:46:52 am »
I'm pretty sure in such a case, the GMs can see the history of the IP addresses you used to log in from, and if the previous IP address(es) does not match up with the ad fraud one at the time of the ad frauding, then you'd be in the clear and get unbanned. I can't say I know the process but it only makes sense.

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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #72 on: February 27, 2011, 05:29:03 am »
What if you changed your ip address due to moving and you end up with the ad faurd ip adress?
There have been some cases like this when an IP has been banned, and another player who has nothing to do with the ban, is suddenly banned. In those cases, the players usually submit a ticket immediately, and it will be handled accordingly (as Roon said, the history of the accounts/IP will be looked up, and then the ban will be lifted, most likely). But it rarely happens.

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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #73 on: February 27, 2011, 05:50:08 pm »

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Re: account ban......?
« Reply #74 on: March 01, 2011, 05:07:14 am »
If you were banned for ad fraud, you are not allowed to create another forum account (every new forum account will be banned), but you may create new ingame accounts, of course, to start over. However, if you created a new ingame account, and ban evaded on the forums by creating a new account there, your newly made ingame account might be banned as well for ban evasion.


... at least, that was the ruling back when I was still the one responsible for the ad fraud bans. However, since it wasn't possible to ad fraud since I left, the ruling shouldn't have changed. There are no such things as IP bans ingame. At least as far as I know of. Maybe only for extreme cases, but at my time, we didn't IP ban anyone ingame.

How did I make a Forums account then?

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