account ban......?

[Kiba]

Fidelis is still the only one making any sense in this thread.

[Fidelis]

I never generalized that everyone else who has a problem with the rules is a rule breaker. I was going to do that, but since you already said it, Haruwa, damn you!!
Well, maybe it's just me who has no problem with the rules as they are, since it's usually not like you accidentally break them, or do you?

I also don't think you should belittle someone else's misfortune by calling it nonsense. *glares more*

No, this whole thread is nonsense, since it will not speed up the process of handling the case of the player. I didn't say anything bad about the player.


It just came to my mind that, if the player has been banned over a year ago, it was probably me who banned him, because as far as I know, I was the last one handling ad/vote fraud cases. Maybe he wasn't even banned for vote fraud, but for ad/credit card fraud. Then you can easily get a few hundred dollars.

Anyway, I think this thread is going nowhere without knowing why the player has really been banned for. I think we should wait for him to post in this thread -

OH WAIT, HE CAN'T POST IN THIS THREAD BECAUSE HE'S BANNED! HA!


Sorry, I know that was mean. But I just had to do it.

[Alucard]

I don't have a lot of time, so my answers here will be pretty short.

Why is everyone talking like he knows the banned player personally? "I'm sure the player just wanted to create the forum account to read news and socialize with other players." Yeah, you most definitely know. I doubt it's a misunderstanding if he created the forum account a year afterwards. He most likely just forgot, or tried to look if it's now safe to create an account.

Also, I consider vote fraud as a far more serious offense than you think. A few pennies? Usually, it's around a few hundred pennies. Multiplied by several players each month. When a player can suddenly get an MVP card out of nothing, I would start to be worried...
And no offense to anyone, just stating my opinion about this. And Haruwa, keep in mind that this is still a game. So if an individual is banned, it doesn't mean the end of the world for anyone.

Of course players will vote in favor of the rule being abolished. Players will also vote in favor of the bug abuse rule being abolished. Or the recovery fees being abolished. Players will always vote for stuff that makes "life" easier for them.

I'm just stating my opinion, but it's probably more important that you state yours, since you guys still play this game. So instead of posting nonsense in this nonsense thread, make a suggestion to change the rules or whatever. Or simply stop breaking the rules, and none of this would've happened.  

I can understand an offense is an offense and there fore should be punished accordinly, but in this case the offense was made due to an assumption from what a GM has decided, its a simople mistake, a misunderstanding, a misinterpretation, human error someone else could have also done. So I hope they will reconsider.

We are not suggesting the rule to be changed.

[Neetox]

I never generalized that everyone else who has a problem with the rules is a rule breaker. I was going to do that, but since you already said it, Haruwa, damn you!!
Well, maybe it's just me who has no problem with the rules as they are, since it's usually not like you accidentally break them, or do you?

I also don't think you should belittle someone else's misfortune by calling it nonsense. *glares more*

No, this whole thread is nonsense, since it will not speed up the process of handling the case of the player. I didn't say anything bad about the player.


It just came to my mind that, if the player has been banned over a year ago, it was probably me who banned him, because as far as I know, I was the last one handling ad/vote fraud cases. Maybe he wasn't even banned for vote fraud, but for ad/credit card fraud. Then you can easily get a few hundred dollars.

Anyway, I think this thread is going nowhere without knowing why the player has really been banned for. I think we should wait for him to post in this thread -

OH WAIT, HE CAN'T POST IN THIS THREAD BECAUSE HE'S BANNED! HA!


Sorry, I know that was mean. But I just had to do it.

Totally missed my post. You told him it was ok to make an ingame account but said nothing about not making a forum account. Like Alu said, you made a simple mistake which lots of people do. I'm not here to abolish a rule, just letting you know you're not perfect.

[Schrodinger]

Nope, actually fidelis stated pretty clearly in that ticket he could make new ingame, but a forum account would be out of the question.

[Neetox]

o rly? I must've seen a different ticket then.

[Schrodinger]

Probably the same ticket he quoted to tesla, which conveniently was copy pasta'd specifically to leave out the bit of fidelis' quote that said the forum account was out of the question.

[Neetox]

Probably the same ticket he quoted to tesla, which conveniently was copy pasta'd specifically to leave out the bit of fidelis' quote that said the forum account was out of the question.

Well shit, if that's true, then I agree with Kiba about me. That's what I get for believing people I guess. Either way, I'm not too happy with the GMs atm. So meh.

[aaronumerouno]

look he ban evaded in the forums cuz he made mistake in the forums but why ban the in game account aswell?

[Schrodinger]

Because ad frauding is a pretty solid basis on what messed up the animus economy as bad as it is now.  Ad frauding leads to banning, and we let them create new in game accounts, telling them they cannot do any forum accounts, and that if they did, it'd be considered ban evasion, and action would be taken.  Since re-banning forum accounts over and over really isn't an issue for someone to just keep re-making them, banning in game accounts sends a much clearer "STOP" message.

[Haruwa]

So in other words, use a mountain to crush a spider when a pebble would do. *stares*

[Schrodinger]

In your metaphor, I would like you to explain what you think the appropriate "pebble" would be.  Players are expected to read the rules, we state it in the rules ban evasion will have an effect on your in game accounts.  When banned for ad frauding, we state you may re-make in game accounts, but no new forum accounts.  It seems like a very clear cut thing.

[Haruwa]

The appropriate pebble would to just IP ban then on the forums only and to take out any new (forum only) accounts they make as necessary. If you made it impossible for them to make a new account with an IP(s) ban they couldn't make a mistake about weather they were allowed to have a forums account or not. The fact that they still have the ability to make another forum account without doing anything underhanded or special is asking for a misunderstanding to happen.

IMO the only time someone should loose an in game account, since they can continue to have and make as many in game accounts as they please quite lawfully, is if that in game account made some kind of underhanded profit through the use of the forums account. If not then for the life of me I can't see how one is really matters to the other and it doesn't hurt anything to leave the in game account alone in that case because they didn't do anything wrong with it.

I suppose I think there should be a difference between possession and use. Just having something isn't really all that bad if you're not using it in a way you shouldn't. For example I have nice strong legs that I could kick you with them many many many tens of thousands of times if I really wanted to despite a certain person telling me not to. If I chose to do it anyways and a punishment was given so that I could never kick you again it wouldn't exactly be a fair trade off if you manged my legs and then gave my arms the same treatment simply because they are also mine.

EDITS: In this case it would also be like you came back and crushed my arms a second time after I had just wasted a years worth of time, effort, and money to replace my old manged pair with functional prosthetic arms.

A little extreme but I'm tired and you get my point. *ponders if poking you thousands of time is also a no no*

[Fidelis]

It's not like they accidentally create a forum account and then get banned. They were told that creating another forum account is not allowed, they fully knew that they were going against the rules by doing so. Even if it was a year afterwards.

Besides, forum accounts ARE IP bans, but there are countries with dynamic IPs (for example Germany and Malaysia, I think India as well), so you can just reset your router or wait a day, and you've got a new IP address. There's nothing the GMs can do about that, except for banning whole IP ranges of a country, but I don't think you'd like that.

[Haruwa]

Was this before or after all of the name changes etc? If after that's reason enough for confusion. If I can't make a new account on say... HarumachimaRO and it name changes to... UkemolestixRO well yeah... To tired to type out my whole argument further I'll come back for you when I wake up and then the last vestiges of your innocence shall be bathed in true darkness... or something... idk... sleepy... Anyways with all the name changes and even the switch to Aegis or whatever we have now I don't relay think this can be considered the same server as it was before.

What happened to the days of people keeping a single IP.  *sigh*
Oh well forget that part I guess. *hog ties Fidelis for use as a personal bish pillow*

You still owe me a yaoi influenced may out eye candy session btw. Night night.