account ban......?

[Dr!f$+3r]

 Ah, I see my mistake then...

[Fidelis]

*skims thread*

I'd have to say that I agree with it being an obsolete rule. You can't really add fraud with no more voting and it's a little impractical to let people have a new ingame account but no forums account because in some cases there are things that an ingame account just can't do making it necessary. Besides, if you didn't catch it to ban them a year ago I'd almost say you don't deserve to ban them anymore since you know... you could have tried harder to catch that a looooooong while ago instead of waiting until they had a ton of items/characters to loose.

That's like saying, "Oh, let's just unban all the botters/bug abusers/scammers etc., because it's not possible anymore!" (ok, scamming & botting is possible, but I think you get what I mean). That individual was banned in the past for ad fraud, and as a policy, all bans from the past stay intact in case they were legitimate.
Also, no idea if the GMs caught the banned player just now, or maybe he created a new forum account just recently. Well, and yes, as I already said in this topic somewhere, I don't know the entire circumstances, so if that's his first ban evasion, his new ingame accounts shouldn't have been banned, so it's just a matter of posting a one liner in the support ticket to re-check how many times he has been banned on the forums. But maybe it's not his first, who knows?

"If you have been banned, you may not create another account. If you still do it, well, tough luck!"

What you (Fedil person) just said about creating a new account goes back to this statement and answers it...

But I dont see any rules where it states that all newly create account can be banned if you created a new forum account.
Coz my friend got banned for that reason (I think). He got ban 1 year ago for ad fraud. He created a new account soon after a GM mentioned that he can do so. And 1 year later, he got banned again for supposedly "ban evasion". Now im not sure if he did create a new forum account, but then again, I dont see any rule that specifically states you cant create a new forum account and also Why they waited this long after getting back on his feet again just to get all his hard work taken away like a grown up taking a toy from a baby.

Oh, come on, people, if you want to participate in the discussion, please read the damn thread. It's about a FORUM account (I am talking about a forum account in my post), not a damn INGAME account (that's what bLitzkr!eg is talking about in his post).

Fidelis was talking about a forum account. I don't see where in the rules it says that you can remake an ingame account but you're not permitted to make a new forum account after being perma banned, though. The part he highlighted in the Punishment Guidelines doesn't apply here unless you start adding invisible words in there.

Oh, fuck what's written down in the rules. If you are PERMANENTLY banned from a forum, it's pretty much self explanatory that you are not allowed to create a new forum account, which is considered as ban evasion. It has always been like this, why complain now? I hate it when people get so nit-picky over what's written down in the rules and what's not.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. They can do whatever they want whenever they want. He better hope one of the GMs likes him. lol

Of course they CAN. But they DON'T, because they don't abuse their power. Even though there are guidelines and rules, they have to treat every case as an individual one, which is the reason why stuff usually takes a while.

[Forgotten Experiment]

"If you have been banned, you may not create another account. If you still do it, well, tough luck!"

What if the GMs told him/her to just create a new fresh forum account on a certain date? but he didn't do it on that certain date and did it to early? =x?
Example? Anniversary of his bann on his first forum account, that was banned for Ad Fraud?!??!

[Fidelis]

"If you have been banned, you may not create another account. If you still do it, well, tough luck!"

What if the GMs told him/her to just create a new fresh forum account on a certain date? but he didn't do it on that certain date and did it to early? =x?
Example? Anniversary of his bann on his first forum account, that was banned for Ad Fraud?!??!

Nah, I don't think the GM handling that case said something like this. Usually, when you're permanently forum banned for ad frauding, you'll stay permanently forum banned, as a punishment for trying to cheat, taking away the privileges of the forum.
The GM certainly told the player that he could make another ingame account, since that's usually the first answer to such a ticket:

Player: I HAS BEEN BANNED WHY?
GM: You have been banned for vote fraud on the following accounts: xyz, xyz2, xyz3, ... As a punishment, all of your ingame accounts are banned as well as your forum accounts, and you must not create another forum account. You may, however, start over and create new ingame accounts if you like.

or something along those lines.

[Forgotten Experiment]

Interesting...

[Haruwa]

*skims thread*

I'd have to say that I agree with it being an obsolete rule. You can't really add fraud with no more voting and it's a little impractical to let people have a new ingame account but no forums account because in some cases there are things that an ingame account just can't do making it necessary. Besides, if you didn't catch it to ban them a year ago I'd almost say you don't deserve to ban them anymore since you know... you could have tried harder to catch that a looooooong while ago instead of waiting until they had a ton of items/characters to loose.

That's like saying, "Oh, let's just unban all the botters/bug abusers/scammers etc., because it's not possible anymore!" (ok, scamming & botting is possible, but I think you get what I mean). That individual was banned in the past for ad fraud, and as a policy, all bans from the past stay intact in case they were legitimate.
Also, no idea if the GMs caught the banned player just now, or maybe he created a new forum account just recently. Well, and yes, as I already said in this topic somewhere, I don't know the entire circumstances, so if that's his first ban evasion, his new ingame accounts shouldn't have been banned, so it's just a matter of posting a one liner in the support ticket to re-check how many times he has been banned on the forums. But maybe it's not his first, who knows?

Actually no, no it's really not. I'm not attacking you or anything just giving my small impartial 2 cents so have a cookie, take a deep breath, make out with Kiba for my voyeuristic pleasure and calm down a bit.

Botting, bug abusing, and scamming generally hurt the player base as a whole and are capable of unbalancing the game quite easily. Unlawfully gaining a few pennies is a much smaller crime and in my honest opinion can't do much to harm our population. And I'm not saying to unban everyone just that in this one particular case I think the punishment is a little high handed. If you had banned them back when they first made another account it wouldn't have even been a problem because they wouldn't have lost a years worth of honest effort because someone took their sweat time getting to them. You'll have to forgive me for having enough faith in the moderation to believe that you guys are generally understanding of each individual circumstance and like to treat each person like an individual instead of a cookie cutter case. Unbanning a single user who violated a rule a long time ago and may or may not have done it again thanks to an unclarified grey-zone in the rules is not an all or nothing deal and you know that. That's just grouping everything as an excuse to deny everything. I. Am. Disappoint.

I expect better from you so please live up to that expectation. Even if it is to much to ask of you I'll ask and or demand it anyways. This place is like my second home I come here to let everyone here know everything before most other people. Heck, you guys were the second group of people to find out when I became an aunt (the first group was the people there in the birthing room with me) and that was/is a big deal for me.  No matter what you would like to say with the information available this does not seem fair so don't go around backing semi-underhanded things that ruin my home away from home.  *kicks and glares*

It's days like this that I miss the conduct code of my Yuyu.

Either way I also don't think it's fair or even appropriate for a mod to insist that a player absolutely deserved their ban if you don't know the full story and aren't properly informed. It's supposed to go innocence until proven guilty not the other way around. It's not like you've never banned an innocent party and had to unban them later. =.=

Now make with my yaoi or I'll hate you for the next 3 weeks. *waits*

EDITS: Better still why not do a server wide poll and let the players decide if that kind of rule is even needed on our server. I can bet you $50 of add credit right now that they will tell you it's not. Care to take my wager?

[Alucard]

"If you have been banned, you may not create another account. If you still do it, well, tough luck!"

What if the GMs told him/her to just create a new fresh forum account on a certain date? but he didn't do it on that certain date and did it to early? =x?
Example? Anniversary of his bann on his first forum account, that was banned for Ad Fraud?!??!

Nah, I don't think the GM handling that case said something like this. Usually, when you're permanently forum banned for ad frauding, you'll stay permanently forum banned, as a punishment for trying to cheat, taking away the privileges of the forum.
The GM certainly told the player that he could make another ingame account, since that's usually the first answer to such a ticket:

Player: I HAS BEEN BANNED WHY?
GM: You have been banned for vote fraud on the following accounts: xyz, xyz2, xyz3, ... As a punishment, all of your ingame accounts are banned as well as your forum accounts, and you must not create another forum account. You may, however, start over and create new ingame accounts if you like.

or something along those lines.

I can understand he got banned for AD frauding.

But on the "Ban Evasion's" case.

He misunderstood and was under the impression that he was granted by the GM that he could make another forum account being allowed to make another in-game acocunt and had no intentions of breaking the rules, just an honest mistake.

[DreamerP]

No offense to anyone but Fedilis is just going by what he recalls when he was a GM. HE'S NOT A GM ANYMORE NOR WILL HE RESOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS. In other words posting on the forums regarding this problem will not solve it. Take your words to the tickets /thread

[Neetox]

Fidelis was talking about a forum account. I don't see where in the rules it says that you can remake an ingame account but you're not permitted to make a new forum account after being perma banned, though. The part he highlighted in the Punishment Guidelines doesn't apply here unless you start adding invisible words in there.

Oh, fuck what's written down in the rules. If you are PERMANENTLY banned from a forum, it's pretty much self explanatory that you are not allowed to create a new forum account, which is considered as ban evasion. It has always been like this, why complain now? I hate it when people get so nit-picky over what's written down in the rules and what's not.

lol what? I'm just saying, according to that statement, if you're permanently banned ingame one should assume you're not supposed to create a new ingame account, right? But since the GM said you could make an ingame account and didn't say anything about not making a forum account, what if people assume you're allowed to make a forum account as well? All I'm saying is to be clear. Shouldn't be the person's fault for not assuming correctly.

And Dreamer, I'm not trying to resolve an issue. I'm only pointing out how the GMs while being imperfect like us, shouldn't punish others for their own imperfections.

[Haruwa]

And another thing I don't understand... If it's okay to have new in game accounts but not a forums account why ban the in game account at all instead of just taking away the forums account since you'd let them make another new in game one anyways? If they haven't ad frauded again or done anything with that second forums account that led to an immoral profit on their in game account then there is no reason to even touch the in game account just for possession of a forums account. If they never used it to do anything bad as far as the game account is concerned it existed the same way it would have even if they had no forums account.

That would be a nice compromise. You get the forums ban you want to uphold and you don't steal a year's worth of someone elses hard work for your own amusement. You don't really have to take everything from them to get the forumless effect that you seem to want.

Typo-chi

[Alucard]

And another thing I don't understand... If it's okay to have new in game accounts but not a forums account why ban the in game account at all instead of just taking away the forums account since you'd let them make another new in game one anyways? If they haven't ad frauded again or done anything with that second forums account that led to an immoral profit on their in game account then there is no reason to even touch the in game account just for possession of a forums account. If they never used it to do anything bad as far as the game account is concerned it existed the same way it would have even if they had no forums account.

That would be a nice compromise. You get the forums ban you want to uphold and you don't steal a year's worth of someone elses hard work for your own amusement. You don't really have to take everything from them to get the forumless effect that you seem to want.

Typo-chi

Becase "Ban Evasion" is under the major offense's list which results to perma ban on all your accounts.

But what we are trying to say, in his case is that.

He misunderstood and was under the impression that he was granted by the GM that he could make another forum account being allowed to make another in-game acocunt and had no intentions of breaking the rules, just an honest mistake.

[Haruwa]

Becase its under the major offense's list which resolts to perma ban on all your accounts.

But what we are trying to say, in his case is that.

He misunderstood and was under the impression that he was granted by the GM that he could make another forum account being allowed to make another in-game acocunt and had no intentions of breaking the rules, just an honest mistake.

It's an impossible offense as of the 2nd time they were actually banned but I won't go there.

Indeed, it does sound like a misunderstanding. That's exactly why the way it was handled bothers me. If I was allowed to do something that I didn't know broke the rules unintentionally and I was also allowed to do it for a whole year before anything happened... well I'd be pretty confused myself. Leaving the account be for more than 3 months is pretty much like giving it a green light. At least in my mind that would be it.

[aaronumerouno]

for me being a GM should be able to consider and to know whats right from wrong regarding on banning a player.

In my opinion what they did to this banned individual is WRONG, making a new forum account for the purpose of being able to see the News , Announcements and socializing with other players in the server through the forums is obviously his intention and it is a fact that ad voting is gone long ago so there is no reason for him to do ad frauding. Yes, rules are rules if u say so, but regarding the game accounts on which he made and worked hard for after he was banned the first time shouldnt be banned again specially that u guys banned him 1 year after, just because he made a new forum account which he didnt knew was illegal.

GMs i know u guys dont look on this thread but if u do i hope it would make u decide for what is right and make u remember that our server is not growing at all and banning more players will result to decline of population and rate of being active of players.


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[Fidelis]

I don't have a lot of time, so my answers here will be pretty short.

Why is everyone talking like he knows the banned player personally? "I'm sure the player just wanted to create the forum account to read news and socialize with other players." Yeah, you most definitely know. I doubt it's a misunderstanding if he created the forum account a year afterwards. He most likely just forgot, or tried to look if it's now safe to create an account.

Also, I consider vote fraud as a far more serious offense than you think. A few pennies? Usually, it's around a few hundred pennies. Multiplied by several players each month. When a player can suddenly get an MVP card out of nothing, I would start to be worried...
And no offense to anyone, just stating my opinion about this. And Haruwa, keep in mind that this is still a game. So if an individual is banned, it doesn't mean the end of the world for anyone.

Of course players will vote in favor of the rule being abolished. Players will also vote in favor of the bug abuse rule being abolished. Or the recovery fees being abolished. Players will always vote for stuff that makes "life" easier for them.

I'm just stating my opinion, but it's probably more important that you state yours, since you guys still play this game. So instead of posting nonsense in this nonsense thread, make a suggestion to change the rules or whatever. Or simply stop breaking the rules, and none of this would've happened. 

[Haruwa]

A few hundred pennies still only makes a few dollar which does not an MVP card make.

A game or not doing something like this once is to much since it sets a bad precedent for future cases/misunderstandings and regardless of weather is a game or something IRL I very much despise it when someone's hard work gets torn down without a very good reason. I personally would hunt down and skin alive anyone who dared to put their hands on my accounts after several hours of mental and physical torture that is. Digital or not a prized possession still has a good amount of sentimental value invested in to it. So "it's just a game" is not a very convincing and is the standard straw-man argument in any online altercation. Just like "they're just pixels" if that's the thought process then I could say that ad pennies are just fake money made up of 1's and 0's so it doesn't matter if they're frauded because they aren't real currency just game currency or the fabricated representation of real currency. Ad credit is to Animus what monopoly money is to Monopoly which obviously makes it less important my your train of thought.

The bug abuse part is a little far fetched. I seem to recall quite a few blow ups over that topic in the past and in the end the majority still thought that bug abuse shouldn't be allowed. The recovery fee is a necessary evil most everyone dislikes and you're doing that grouping thing again... Just because 1 options 1 and 3 may be valid does not mean you can rope option 2 into the mix and still call the whole argument the truth. *stares*

*issue a solid swift kick for yet another generalization*
Having a problem with the way the rules are being enforced doesn't mean I or anyone else you're generalizing has/have broken the rules before. I think I have possibly got a few warning(s) for arguing on the forums but as far as I can remember I've never earned a ban or mute.

I also don't think you should belittle someone else's misfortune by calling it nonsense. *glares more*

And above all else, I don't see you making with the yaoi so let me help you with that.
A 10mill reward for the person who draws the best yaoi pic of Fidelis being molest-a-mated. NSFW gets a bonus.