account ban......?

[bLitzkr!eg]

So if you got account ban(not IP ban) for ad fraud, can you still play the game and start over again?

[SanRath]

The GMs always give players another chance to restart.  You have to be seriously bad to get an IP ban.

[Fidelis]

If you were banned for ad fraud, you are not allowed to create another forum account (every new forum account will be banned), but you may create new ingame accounts, of course, to start over. However, if you created a new ingame account, and ban evaded on the forums by creating a new account there, your newly made ingame account might be banned as well for ban evasion.


... at least, that was the ruling back when I was still the one responsible for the ad fraud bans. However, since it wasn't possible to ad fraud since I left, the ruling shouldn't have changed. There are no such things as IP bans ingame. At least as far as I know of. Maybe only for extreme cases, but at my time, we didn't IP ban anyone ingame.

[bLitzkr!eg]

But I dont see any rules where it states that all newly create account can be banned if you created a new forum account.
Coz my friend got banned for that reason (I think). He got ban 1 year ago for ad fraud. He created a new account soon after a GM mentioned that he can do so. And 1 year later, he got banned again for supposedly "ban evasion". Now im not sure if he did create a new forum account, but then again, I dont see any rule that specifically states you cant create a new forum account and also Why they waited this long after getting back on his feet again just to get all his hard work taken away like a grown up taking a toy from a baby.

[Roon]

has he made a support ticket explaining everything? It does sound really unfair D: esp. since there isn't even ads to fraud right now

[Fidelis]

But I dont see any rules where it states that all newly create account can be banned if you created a new forum account.
Coz my friend got banned for that reason (I think). He got ban 1 year ago for ad fraud. He created a new account soon after a GM mentioned that he can do so. And 1 year later, he got banned again for supposedly "ban evasion". Now im not sure if he did create a new forum account, but then again, I dont see any rule that specifically states you cant create a new forum account and also Why they waited this long after getting back on his feet again just to get all his hard work taken away like a grown up taking a toy from a baby.

Well, it should be one of the most well known rules that creating another forum account when you are banned is against the rules. Besides, as stated in the punishment guidelines:

Major Offenses

such as:
- Continued Killstealing/Looting/MPK/Illegal Monster Spawning (after 4th offense)
- Continued Harassment/False Advertisement/Illegal Warping (after 3rd offense)
- Botting
- GM Impersonation & severe GM Disrespect
- Other Server Advertisement
- Interserver Trading & RMT (Real Money Trading)
- Divulging GM Identity
- Scamming
- Ad Frauding
- Continued Forum Ban Evasion
- Exploiting Bugs

1st offense = Permanent ban on all accounts belonging to the IP registered with the offender.

In fact, I was the one who added that line to the rules, since it hasn't been there before and I think players also complained because of it.

Anyway, seeing that some players who were perma banned on the forums have been allowed to make new accounts (Dew/Hexaea, that Bryan23 guy), and that the offense is quite old, maybe ... one of the current GMs has a soft spot for him? Although bans for ad fraud are usually considered more severe than a ban for insulting a GM or whatever they were banned for, so it's highly unlikely that anything will happen.

[bLitzkr!eg]

"continued" forum ban evasion. As far as I know, he might have 2 forum account. 1st is the original account that's associated to the banned account. 2nd is when he created those new accounts after he got banned. So "continued forum ban evasion" dont seem to apply to him since he never did have more than 2 forum account.

It's just odd for him to get banned again 1 year after creating those new account from an offense. It just doesnt make sense to me.
Also, like it matters now since we dont have any ad sponsor to begin with.

[Fidelis]

Well, as you said, you just THINK that he has been banned because of this. That means that he might just as well had another forum account before that one. Well, if that's not the case, tell him, and he should mention it in the support ticket, the GM should be able to check.

Also, even if he has been banned 1 year after he started playing again, if he just created his second or third forum account now, well ... it's still an offense. If you think those rules are not necessary anymore, ask for a change? It's not me to decide on it, although I'd be against it, since those rules are a necessary evil just in case you get ad sponsors back sometime in the future.

[bLitzkr!eg]

I just spoke to him and he confirmed he only got those 2 forum account. he created the 2nd account soon after he got banned. so its not like its a newly created account.

Oh well, I just hope they can resolve the matter sooner than later. He's a good guy, he learned his lessons before. I dont think he deserved to get ban again.

[bLitzkr!eg]

I just want to bump this up to get some GM explanation as my friends ticket was left unanswered for days.
Yes it was explained that he was banned for banned evasion. but still....

quick recap:

He started playing awhile back 2009. Did some silly stuff(ad fraud) and got banned February 2010. Former GM, Fidelis advice him thats he can just create new accts. So he created one soon after he got banned. 2 months later, he created 2nd forum acct since his first one got banned aswell. Then Febuary 2011 GM Tesla banned him for banned evasion.

I would understand if he purposely try to evade the ban, but he was told that he can just create a new one and start all over again.
It just makes no sense for the GM to deny him all the hard work that he put in trying get himself back on track.

Its unfortunate that he has to go through this whole ordeal. I'm disappointed to the GM/s action on his case.

[Fidelis]

I just want to bump this up to get some GM explanation as my friends ticket was left unanswered for days.
Yes it was explained that he was banned for banned evasion. but still....

quick recap:

He started playing awhile back 2009. Did some silly stuff(ad fraud) and got banned February 2010. Former GM, Fidelis advice him thats he can just create new accts. So he created one soon after he got banned. 2 months later, he created 2nd forum acct since his first one got banned aswell. Then Febuary 2011 GM Tesla banned him for banned evasion.

I would understand if he purposely try to evade the ban, but he was told that he can just create a new one and start all over again.
It just makes no sense for the GM to deny him all the hard work that he put in trying get himself back on track.

Its unfortunate that he has to go through this whole ordeal. I'm disappointed to the GM/s action on his case.

Yeah, it's not the GM's fault that he broke the rules back then, to begin with. Also, the GM told him to make a new INGAME account, but he made a new FORUM account. Don't always make it seem like the GMs are at fault for everything.

Anyway, why do you bump this topic? You're vet enough to know that:
- GMs NEVER answer posts that ask about bans on the forums,
- they won't talk to you about it since it's not you who was banned,
- they'll stick to the support ticket, since it was already made, so no need for further forum posts.

[SilentIce]

Who are we talking about?

[Neetox]

I just want to bump this up to get some GM explanation as my friends ticket was left unanswered for days.
Yes it was explained that he was banned for banned evasion. but still....

quick recap:

He started playing awhile back 2009. Did some silly stuff(ad fraud) and got banned February 2010. Former GM, Fidelis advice him thats he can just create new accts. So he created one soon after he got banned. 2 months later, he created 2nd forum acct since his first one got banned aswell. Then Febuary 2011 GM Tesla banned him for banned evasion.

I would understand if he purposely try to evade the ban, but he was told that he can just create a new one and start all over again.
It just makes no sense for the GM to deny him all the hard work that he put in trying get himself back on track.

Its unfortunate that he has to go through this whole ordeal. I'm disappointed to the GM/s action on his case.

Yeah, it's not the GM's fault that he broke the rules back then, to begin with. Also, the GM told him to make a new INGAME account, but he made a new FORUM account. Don't always make it seem like the GMs are at fault for everything.

Anyway, why do you bump this topic? You're vet enough to know that:
- GMs NEVER answer posts that ask about bans on the forums,
- they won't talk to you about it since it's not you who was banned,
- they'll stick to the support ticket, since it was already made, so no need for further forum posts.

Lol Why let someone make a new account if he'll be considered a rule breaker forever? Just perma ban and don't give them false hope. Fucking GMs.

[Alucard]

My gears are stuck on his account. =(

[skith]

My gears are stuck on his account. =(

Good to know.