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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2010, 07:47:21 am »
TF+EDP+LINK+Poison/Neutral/Shadow Water or Random endow + Sonic Blow = Win

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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2010, 08:40:10 am »
You cant be EDP'ed all the time. If you consider a fair pvp duel between a twin fang sinx and a sinx with those two blades( maybe ddp or dds and a highly upped CK and IP) the blade sinx will win hands down. Link and sonic blow or dps with EDP has its downfalls, sonic is useless vs high flee classes, and crit dps can be easily countered. But a steady(non-crit) dps with an unknown element plus soul breakers in between, thats scary. These blades have good uses for pvm too, because of the element and the chance of def ignore. You would not need to run a racial def piercing dagger, you could use another like TTS glad and have HUGE dmg, at least when the def pierce procs.   
Overall, i still think that they should be made less easily available    
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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2010, 09:01:52 am »
I think they are being over hyped just like irfirit rings and stuff like inverse scare.

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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2010, 07:40:24 pm »
I think they are being over hyped just like irfirit rings and stuff like inverse scare.
I think all we need to do is look at the proc rate? Besides you can only get it once every 6 days. (At chance.) Also you need a group of people and a pretty penny worth of supplies to finish it each time. (Depends on your setup.) It's not like they are gonna be dropping like hood [1] in niff.
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Quite simple actually.
Hyper Spirit Sphere -> Fury -> Hyper Spirit Sphere -> A Sura -> spam gj -> repeat.

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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2010, 07:56:36 pm »
I got them just fine when I went up, and so did the other individuals that I went up with.

Other individuals  :o ??? :o :police:

Dude, I was super excited for ET. :( I nagged 2-3 other people to come up with me so I could have an actual legit feel for the difficulty.

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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2010, 08:10:34 pm »
Did you kill him w/out GM powers and 2-3 other people? \o.O/

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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2010, 08:28:19 pm »
I went up on a legit char. But no, we didn't clear it.

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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2010, 09:48:23 pm »
I went up on a legit char. But no, we didn't clear it.
Should of went back for vengence xD
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Oh, I also played a Sura, but had NO idea how to use the bastard. D:
Quite simple actually.
Hyper Spirit Sphere -> Fury -> Hyper Spirit Sphere -> A Sura -> spam gj -> repeat.

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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2010, 03:00:47 am »
I think they are being over hyped just like irfirit rings and stuff like inverse scare.
You cant compare those with these blades. Ifrit rings were hyped because people were unclear about how they worked, what skills spam more often etc.
With these blades, there is no uncertainty. Its clearly the best mainhand dagger, a huge upgrade over mes/gladius.
Mes[3]=120 atk
Twin Edge of Naght Sieger [3] =160 atk
Added to that, its elemental and has a chance to proc def pierce.

Still dont think they're good?
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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2010, 10:44:56 am »
I think they are being over hyped just like irfirit rings and stuff like inverse scare.
You cant compare those with these blades. Ifrit rings were hyped because people were unclear about how they worked, what skills spam more often etc.
With these blades, there is no uncertainty. Its clearly the best mainhand dagger, a huge upgrade over mes/gladius.
Mes[3]=120 atk
Twin Edge of Naght Sieger [3] =160 atk
Added to that, its elemental and has a chance to proc def pierce.

Still dont think they're good?
One downside would be they can't access neutral element anymore with the blade on. That means they either deal with whatever element N.S. wep they have or run endows. (Or poison enchant but easily predictable.) They do give Daggers a noticeable boost though. Duel N.S. swords might be pretty OP. Two different elements at the same time, Def piercing at 2x chance, Autocasting 2 different spells. (We all know the last one isn't important but still annoying.)
As far as I remember elemental weapons don't carry elements over to the other. Nor did any elemental weapons have slots. (At least not as high as 3 of them.) So in theory Two N.S. blades would be Fire and Ice element at the same time. Also stackable with other smith made element weapons for even more randomness. So a SinX could run Fire/Ice + any other element weapon to stop most garment/armor reductions.
Oh and a universal 40 atk or 80 if you wear two N.S. blades.
Anyone thinking OP now?
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lord_nathan9 > exDragon
Oh, I also played a Sura, but had NO idea how to use the bastard. D:
Quite simple actually.
Hyper Spirit Sphere -> Fury -> Hyper Spirit Sphere -> A Sura -> spam gj -> repeat.

LOL
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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2010, 10:53:53 am »
I think they are being over hyped just like irfirit rings and stuff like inverse scare.
You cant compare those with these blades. Ifrit rings were hyped because people were unclear about how they worked, what skills spam more often etc.
With these blades, there is no uncertainty. Its clearly the best mainhand dagger, a huge upgrade over mes/gladius.
Mes[3]=120 atk
Twin Edge of Naght Sieger [3] =160 atk
Added to that, its elemental and has a chance to proc def pierce.

Still dont think they're good?
One downside would be they can't access neutral element anymore with the blade on. That means they either deal with whatever element N.S. wep they have or run endows. (Or poison enchant but easily predictable.) They do give Daggers a noticeable boost though. Duel N.S. swords might be pretty OP. Two different elements at the same time, Def piercing at 2x chance, Autocasting 2 different spells. (We all know the last one isn't important but still annoying.)
As far as I remember elemental weapons don't carry elements over to the other. Nor did any elemental weapons have slots. (At least not as high as 3 of them.) So in theory Two N.S. blades would be Fire and Ice element at the same time. Also stackable with other smith made element weapons for even more randomness. So a SinX could run Fire/Ice + any other element weapon to stop most garment/armor reductions.
Oh and a universal 40 atk or 80 if you wear two N.S. blades.
Anyone thinking OP now?
A rich enough sinx ( and we have many rich sinx) would run DDP/DDS of the two blades as well as a normal DDP/DDS Mes.It is not essential to keep the blade on all the time. And thanks for reminding me about the skills, i completely forgot xD. Those two skills will be useful, and sinx run cast reduction gear anyways
I dont think you can deal damage with 2 elements at the same time? not sure though
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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2010, 10:57:42 am »
A rich enough sinx ( and we have many rich sinx) would run DDP/DDS of the two blades as well as a normal DDP/DDS Mes.It is not essential to keep the blade on all the time. And thanks for reminding me about the skills, i completely forgot xD. Those two skills will be useful, and sinx run cast reduction gear anyways
I dont think you can deal damage with 2 elements at the same time? not sure though

MAin Element will over ride I suppose. You can only have one element. Dual N.S swords have a big big issue. Unless you use a Chick hat or a Sidewinder card - you will not be able to double attack. And Sidewinder or a chick hat is a waste to begin with.

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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2010, 11:08:44 am »
A rich enough sinx ( and we have many rich sinx) would run DDP/DDS of the two blades as well as a normal DDP/DDS Mes.It is not essential to keep the blade on all the time. And thanks for reminding me about the skills, i completely forgot xD. Those two skills will be useful, and sinx run cast reduction gear anyways
I dont think you can deal damage with 2 elements at the same time? not sure though

MAin Element will over ride I suppose. You can only have one element. Dual N.S swords have a big big issue. Unless you use a Chick hat or a Sidewinder card - you will not be able to double attack. And Sidewinder or a chick hat is a waste to begin with.
True. Forgot about the Double atk thing and swords. Would make a great sword for me though. (I use bapho on Sin)
But They don't over ride each other. I've tested before, My DDP stayed neutral while the off-hand fire weapon got a boost. (Endows override both weapons, weapon elements do not.) I've tested many times but that was on aegis. Could be different for EA. Might need a retest. I can't get on atm so I'm not doing it xD
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Just assume a answer to your questions until otherwise said. Other than that hope people put up with what they call "Your illegitimate logical reasoning."
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Oh, I also played a Sura, but had NO idea how to use the bastard. D:
Quite simple actually.
Hyper Spirit Sphere -> Fury -> Hyper Spirit Sphere -> A Sura -> spam gj -> repeat.

LOL
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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2010, 11:38:33 am »
You can have more than one element when the elements are not endowed. Try wearing different elemental daggers. Say you wear a water dagger and a fire dagger, if you attack something immune to fire but weak to water one dagger will miss and the other will hit for more damage.

However, if an element is endowed it affects both weapons.
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Re: Seigers Drops
« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2010, 11:58:52 am »
You can have more than one element when the elements are not endowed. Try wearing different elemental daggers. Say you wear a water dagger and a fire dagger, if you attack something immune to fire but weak to water one dagger will miss and the other will hit for more damage.

Yup thats how it works. Endow basically makes both weapons the same element. So using 2 fire damas is same as using 2 random damas with a fire endow.