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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: pepesmith on July 28, 2010, 02:58:05 am
Title: Verper or HW card?
Post by: pepesmith on July 28, 2010, 02:58:05 am
1. Which one is better to have hunting MVP with Wiz or HighWiz? 2. I want to know also if I used HW hunting MVP does it ignores 50% MVPs mdef as well or it applies only in their mob?
Vesper card - Ignores 30% of boss type monsters MDef and does damage accordingly. High Wizzard card - ignores 50% of targets MDef reduce SP genaration by 100%
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Eruruw on July 28, 2010, 03:52:51 am
Vesper, HW card doesn't affect MVPs.
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: pepesmith on July 28, 2010, 03:57:22 am
oh, what are cast reduction gears required to get IC , without external spells ?
DI upper = 20% DI mid = 10% Berze Orleans glove = 30% Second Berze = 30% Orleans shield = 5% Wing Staff = 5%
Total = 100% cast reduction
I revise me earlier post too, HPs and Champs can also get IC with no dex.
So orlean glove and shield combo reduce 5% also huh! Thanks for this tip! ;D
I guessl much easier for wiz to acquire 100% reduction coz some item are exclusive only for their class. Magic Eye(-10%) and Robe of cast(-5%)
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Waylander on July 29, 2010, 12:34:09 pm
Wouldn't it be better to use dex instead of cast redux gear? Cause with the dex set, you get more int so more dmg and can use better armors and stuff :P
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Teggit on July 29, 2010, 01:45:16 pm
Uh, no. With the dex set you are bound to put fucktons of points into dex for IC. With cast reduction gear it frees up tons of points for you to distribute elsewhere, for example you can run cast reduction and have 15~16k hp on wizzy.
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Muranodo on July 29, 2010, 04:38:00 pm
I'll have to try the cast reduction build some time.
It's making a DI Valk sound infinitely more appealing.
You need DL though to get the first 20% from the DI top gear though, right? Or am I missing something?
And the wing staff on RMS is only listed as effecting the mage tree and SL.
Does it effect the acolyte tree in-game too?
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Teggit on July 29, 2010, 05:55:03 pm
Yeh you need DL for the 20%, second one for 10% as I'm sure you know.
Dunno about the staff, I was under the impression Aco could use it too. /hmm
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Muranodo on July 29, 2010, 07:35:39 pm
Yeh you need DL for the 20%, second one for 10% as I'm sure you know.
Dunno about the staff, I was under the impression Aco could use it too. /hmm
Thank you kindly for the clarification.
I see about the staff then. I was curious since I haven't personally ever had one. I suppose I may have to find one later and see if they truly can wear it.
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Pab on July 29, 2010, 09:04:53 pm
Wait a second, the second DI stacks now?
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Eruruw on July 29, 2010, 09:15:43 pm
It always stacked, it just doesn't get the bonus from the DL combo.
It only gives 10% by itself.
Now, the problem with a cast reduction build is that you trade pretty much all your power for survivability. You can't use HW card, Kiel, or Vesper to improve your damage. You won't be able to use Bishop card when it comes out. You lose 20 int from not using a Kaho, you lose 10 int from not using Celebs/Brys (unless you use Berz Brys). You also lose the ability to use SoM/Tome if you use that staff. You're stuck with using an Orleans Server for your shield, so you need to make a Toad OS / GTB OS / Maya OS just to keep your IC.
I REALLY wouldn't suggest using that kind of build unless your main focus is survivability (which on a HW, it really shouldn't be. They're basically glass cannons).
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Pab on July 29, 2010, 09:19:49 pm
95% reduction with a Tome/SoM is still pretty damn impressive. ;>
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Professor Flash on July 29, 2010, 09:21:05 pm
Honestly I find the cast reduction build excellent on scholars.
It allows you affectively use both autocast mode along with casting. Plus, scholars were never really meant to go IC, so having 95% is quite enough.
You'd be even fine with around 80% <-- about what I use. You do have memorize as well which halves your casting times. & yes, cast reduction gears reduce the casting time of memorize, unlike dex.
So you can run around with a tome with 190 attack speed, some decent flee, a lot of vit, and a whole lot of int. Course you won't hit as hard as with a kaho, but for me survivability > damage (it hasn't that much lower damage anyway)
Only thing that sucks is if you go against a gtb target in pvp, say goodbye to using strip with 1 dex :P
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Eruruw on July 29, 2010, 09:23:47 pm
It's better for Professor than Wizard, yes.
They're more of a hybrid melee/magic class though, whereas HW pretty much focuses entirely on magic.
The thing with not having exactly IC though, is that you can still be interrupted, even if the window of opportunity is small. So, say you're being DPS'd by well, anything. You won't be able to cast.
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Pab on July 29, 2010, 09:23:53 pm
Also, Eruruw, DI didn't use to stack. That's why pallies had to run clock tower mids. =/
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: SanRath on July 29, 2010, 09:32:10 pm
Also, Eruruw, DI didn't use to stack. That's why pallies had to run clock tower mids. =/
No pallies ran clock tower mids because they only needed that 5%, not 10% + a penalty of 10% hp and sp. Why get a penalty where its not needed?
^ That's good to know. I know I read that they didn't stack when I was first researching Crusader. The thread is probably still around here. But if they work, that's useful info~
I'm curious now. Are people actually bothering to up OS to past +4? Or are some going up to +7?
I figured it'd be a case of survivability > power though based off everything.
It also seems like no own has backed up that HP and Champs can use a Wing Staff as well, so I'm going to guess they can't. I haven't had a chance to farm one to test.
I was curious about using the set in PvM; it seemed more disadvantageous than anything. It looks like it'd shine in PvP or WoE though (for a professor).
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Eruruw on July 30, 2010, 12:48:52 am
Hmm...
You should be able to get IC on any class that can wear an Orlean's Server and Orlean's Glove.
20% From DI + DL, 10% from a second DI, 60% from two Berz, and according to RMS the Orlean's combo gives 10% cast reduction.
Regardless, it's a lot to invest in for the purpose of survivability while effectively gimping your offensive capabilities.
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Muranodo on July 30, 2010, 12:56:21 am
You should be able to get IC on any class that can wear an Orlean's Server and Orlean's Glove.
20% From DI + DL, 10% from a second DI, 60% from two Berz, and according to RMS the Orlean's combo gives 10% cast reduction.
Regardless, it's a lot to invest in for the purpose of survivability while effectively gimping your offensive capabilities.
Yeah, I just saw that. I went by Teggit's post mentioning that it was 5% for the Orlean's combo.
But yeah, it would be a lot to invest and would also gimp. I was just excited by the prospect of the combo.
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: DJ Soul on July 30, 2010, 01:07:16 am
I don't like the cast reduction gear build because you lose alot of power for survivability. In pvm i rather have alot of attack and in woe all that vit will get me killed even faster.
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Combo on July 30, 2010, 01:20:18 am
I think you guys should make a thread about IC with cast reduction gears. /dum
Title: Re: Verper or HW card?
Post by: Teggit on July 30, 2010, 04:21:15 am