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Title: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 02, 2008, 06:51:19 pm

can someone help me start off a thief? i kno that they need luck, dex, and agi... other than that idk cuz its my first one

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: ExodusLight on November 02, 2008, 06:56:05 pm

Focus on Vit and dex, then STR, unless you have a good weapon, you won't need much agi, Since you arent going to DPS Stuff

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 02, 2008, 07:01:39 pm

wuts DPS ??? and i thought thiefs use agi...

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: EmptyMoon on November 02, 2008, 07:07:44 pm

I think he meant Department of Public Safety  :police: ..Damage Per Second ;D

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: ExodusLight on November 02, 2008, 07:08:39 pm

Damage Per Second.
Low- geared Thiefs need ro rely on two of their skills, Perfect Dodge and Double attack.
Use a pretty powerful(but cheap) Dagger( Like a Damascus, or a dagger with a skel card in it), so you will do more damage, Str helps too, Dex for hitting stuffies, and Vit so, you can both have an acceptable Hp and to increase healing items effectiveness

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 02, 2008, 07:13:28 pm

so increasing agi is pointless...

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: Sera on November 02, 2008, 07:33:18 pm

vit on thief?

i would say, get agi enough to dodge most attacks, then like 10-15 dex (i assume he doesnt need to much hit since he is still a thief, and i also assume its a normal thief, no thief high, therefore he isnt fightin high flee monsters, not even mid flee ones) then rest on str makin sure the numbers sum 10's in total, like 15+5 or 19+1, etc.

if you want to use vit as defensive stat, go with a swordie :3 or carry a lot of healin items, a thief class is supposed to dodge (and im a low geared player, so the thing about usin a cheap, npc dagger like damascus is a nice idea too ^^)

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: Lovi on November 02, 2008, 07:35:11 pm

Increasing Agi gives you more flee and attack speed,so if your going for Sin then you definitely need agi (i guess Rogues need Agi too but im not sure xP)

But as a Thief if you dont want to get hit too often then yea get Agi.

I dont think you need much Vit unless you want alot of Hp as a thief but meh...

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: SoSmooth on November 02, 2008, 07:43:17 pm

Get 20~40 vit for sin at PvM so meat heals more.

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 02, 2008, 07:49:48 pm

thats wut i was thinking but when i was told not to invest in agi it kinda freaked me out... and i cant wait to get a sin :3

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: the_undutchable on November 03, 2008, 05:45:10 am

Quote from: exodion_master on November 02, 2008, 06:56:05 pm

Focus on Vit and dex, then STR, unless you have a good weapon, you won't need much agi, Since you arent going to DPS Stuff

lolwut?
Out of all the first classes the thief is the most DPS class available...

When you start out as a thief with no gears, I hope you went to at least level 35 as a novice.
This should free up a lot of stat points for you to play with.
The best build for a thief would be AGI, STR, DEX
Where 20~30 DEX will suffice in most situations.

The cheapest option is to buy a dagger and a buckler and go fight monsters.
Stay at your novice place for a while at first to make sure you get level 10 double attack.
Then get increase dodge, but you can move to a different location.
You can either try bibalan dungeon or metalings. Bibalan dungeon isn't great exp, but the cards there sell for quite some money.
Metalings might hurt too much, so try to get as much flee as possible.

The main trick with a good thief build is the balance between AGI and STR. Not enough STR and your damage sucks; not enough AGI and you get killed too fast.
Check a website like RMS for the flee number needed for the monster. Mi gao's are good exp as well, but hard to kill without a fire weapon or high flee.

As for VIT on a thief, it increases your hp by a bit. The increase in effectiveness of healing items isn't noticeable on your low hp.
Besides that, it will force you into a hybrid build and from my experience hybrid = fail.

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 03, 2008, 07:04:31 am

ok so the balance is between agi, str, and dex... so which stat is most important, str or agi?

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: Riou212 on November 03, 2008, 08:55:51 am

here is what i did to lv my theif

i got at least 100 hit
some agi
10 or so vit
lots of str
and i hit leaf cats till job 40 since 50 doesnt really matter until u trans

after that u need gears....and a lot of em./...

*modified* oh and get meat too lol

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 03, 2008, 11:21:13 am

so dont invest too much into agi... focus on str?

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: Riou212 on November 03, 2008, 11:26:17 am

well once u get 100 hit u want str my theif did like 400 damage with his double attack but thats just with a fire damascuss

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: @schoLary@ on November 03, 2008, 12:58:33 pm

I would like to make a suggestion to a person starting a thief class:

First get around 20-30 dex when you start out being thief i.e. level 35 base job and job level 1 thief.

then work on your agi and str afterwards. The best thing is to kill low level monsters for job exp until you get lvl 10 double attack and perfect dodge.

Second start selling loot and get money for MEAT not gears MEAT. That way you can kill the tougher stuff to level faster by spamming the healing items. Once you reached job 40 thats when you should start getting money to get better gears. you know like manteau chainmail etc,etc.

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: Seakip on November 03, 2008, 01:02:18 pm

Thing is, you don't need to be told around by other people, it's pointless.
If you find a thing that's suitable for you, stick with it.
Personally, as a level 30 thief, the first thing I'd do is get at least 20 dex to 30 dex,
20 to 30 str and the rest to agi up till 50.
So, first thing I would do is, get a decent amount of dex (20 or so does suffice), then
str (I find 30 to be advisable) and then go for agi, which should make you dodge more
often.
I'd either try Poison spores (geffen tower) or metallings (einbroch, down, right, right, up)
up till job level 30.
After that then, go and play in Toy Factory I guess.

Anyway, that's what -I- would do in your case.

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: Riou212 on November 03, 2008, 01:02:42 pm

Quote from: @schoLary@ on November 03, 2008, 12:58:33 pm

I would like to make a suggestion to a person starting a thief class:

First get around 20-30 dex when you start out being thief i.e. level 35 base job and job level 1 thief.

then work on your agi and str afterwards. The best thing is to kill low level monsters for job exp until you get lvl 10 double attack and perfect dodge.

Second start selling loot and get money for MEAT not gears MEAT. That way you can kill the tougher stuff to level faster by spamming the healing items. Once you reached job 40 thats when you should start getting money to get better gears. you know like manteau chainmail etc,etc.

i recomend 40 since all u need to do is go south of einbroch with meat and kill stuff there then go theif then get perfect dodge and double attack then hit leaf cats =3

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 03, 2008, 06:34:29 pm

haha zenys not too bad of a problem... i can get low level gears and i have quite a few stored with my merc... i was more curious on builds and skills... and is envenom active or passive?

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: SwiftStrike on November 03, 2008, 09:00:48 pm

u'd want equilibrium i guess...
the maximum dmg u hit per second...
its like a combination of aspd vs dmg.
if u have say..99agi but 1str, even if u get like...1-2aspd more than at 80agi and 30+str, the str will give u over 30dmg per hit..so it would be worth sacrificing some agility.

str vs agility, it would depend on what gears and where u train(flee)

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 03, 2008, 09:49:31 pm

so balance is key... as it is with every class... i guess ill just trial and error it until it feels rite

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: the_undutchable on November 04, 2008, 08:38:29 am

Quote from: the_undutchable on November 03, 2008, 05:45:10 am

The main trick with a good thief build is the balance between AGI and STR. Not enough STR and your damage sucks; not enough AGI and you get killed too fast.
Check a website like RMS for the flee number needed for the monster. Mi gao's are good exp as well, but hard to kill without a fire weapon or high flee.

Sorry, but if you ask for help and people take time to give a lengthy answer you'd do well to read it all /ok
My main is a stalker and if there's one class I know most about it's probably the thief class... xD
I dare say I know quite a bit about low level leveling actually...

In any case, your stats will vary per location you train at. I managed to efficiently level at golems when I was a level 40 thief with just a damascus and some pretty crappy other gear (I'm talking hood, sandals, hat, guard crappy)

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 04, 2008, 09:36:32 pm

yea.. im not too skilled at making builds... so if i find one i enjoy/can play with i use that...

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: archfiend38 on November 09, 2008, 08:56:31 pm

I started as a thief in the orc dungeon...., then went to babylon lvl 2 and 3 killing conches..T_T I had equal agi and Str, and little dex

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 09, 2008, 10:56:03 pm

i gotta find a good build cuz the one im working on isnt working

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: D e r r ! c k on November 09, 2008, 10:59:37 pm

try 20 dex and equal amounts of agi and str.. until the monster you're trying to fight doesn't hit you as often.. then just start adding more to str.. then when the exp with that dungeon gets shitty.. go to a stronger one.. start adding more agi til the monsters there hardly hit you.. then add str.. repeat......... for eternity ;~;

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 09, 2008, 11:15:40 pm

i need more dex than that for steal... and im more interested in not getting hit rather than how long it takes to kill something so i rebuilt mostly for agi then dex

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: nikki919 on November 11, 2008, 11:08:17 am

why dont you just balance it?thats what ive done with all my charecters beacause you use every stat in everything your charecter does right?

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: the_undutchable on November 11, 2008, 07:04:46 pm

Do you mean you balance STR, AGI, DEX, LUK, INT, VIT all equally on your characters??
That will give you a hard time /ok

Stick with 2 maybe 3 stats as a first class

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: nikki919 on November 12, 2008, 09:56:31 am

balance gives better outcome later and i have people helping =]

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: the_undutchable on November 12, 2008, 11:19:01 am

It doesn't actually...
I'm pretty sure that if I had the same class at the same level and with the same gear, my character would be better with 3 stats balanced than with all stats balanced

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: nikki919 on November 12, 2008, 11:26:13 am

well thats the way you play im just saying if any stats could be maxed (if they ever will be) it would be better to have all then 3

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: the_undutchable on November 12, 2008, 11:34:44 am

You can get a maximum of 2 stats maxed out.
(Max base is 99)
Though it is rarely that you want to get 99. You're better off getting it to a break point.
But that's too much into game mechanics for a new player.
Just try things, play around, make mistakes. It's the best way to learn /ok

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: nikki919 on November 12, 2008, 11:37:28 am

whats that mean new player?!
srry for being stupid for a pro  :'( :'( :'(
im probably much younger than you but you are right even though im not to happy  :'( cause im not that good  :P
thankz though ;D and how can only two be maxed out

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: the_undutchable on November 12, 2008, 11:54:49 am

I'm just saying, if you go into game mechanics too much when your new to this game, it might be a bit too much to handle.
It's better to start by understanding the basics and build on that, rather than start at the top to find your foundation to be lacking and you get even more confused.
You can only get 2 stats maxed because you can't get more stat points to max more.

Also, I'm no pro. I'm a mid-tier player at best. And I don't think you're stupid. You're smarter than most new players because you're actually asking questions on the forums.
Everybody starts out with no knowledge of the game. You build up knowledge whilst playing. It just takes time /ok

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: nikki919 on November 12, 2008, 11:59:52 am

thank you right i have 2questions (one is alittle bit off topic)
1:is it easier to lvl higher novie? and
2:are people who play these kind off games geeks?people make fun off me and call me a geek cause i play these games and i wanna know how everyone else feels about this (it is partly on thief class since it is related to being made fun off playing these games(thief class is part of this game righ?))

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: the_undutchable on November 13, 2008, 05:52:26 am

1. If you mean a novice high (after reaching 99/50 and being reborn), it is harder. You need more experience per level. I heard it's ~3x the normal exp you need to get.
If you mean just leveling a normal novice. Yes, I believe it is faster, but it's not worth the bother because you don't get any extra skills and the hp/sp are really really bad.

2. Are all male haircutters gay? Similar question. The answer is no of course. You're more likely to run across geeks playing games than the 'cool kids'.
People calling you a geek for playing a game are just plain stupid. But yeah, you said you were quite young, so I guess it's part of your age group.
If it bothers you, don't tell people you play. But to be honest, they're probably jealous of you because you dare say you like to play those games. They could be playing them as well but keep it a secret.

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: Moon Drifter on November 13, 2008, 06:17:54 am

Basically remember that a thief class's basic trump card in PvM is flee^^ checking Ratemyserver.net for a monsters required flee to dodge 95% of their attacks would be a great advantage for a starting thief class xP The places i would stick with as a thief would either be leaf cats or metallings they are easy to kill and give decent exp, changing to 2nd class would make ur life a bit easier cuz of the added flee^^ Lol the Stereotipical view of a so called "Geek"Haters keep hating but u just keep playing^^

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 13, 2008, 03:37:17 pm

ive been working on leaf cats but i had to take a break from them cuz of school

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: Moon Drifter on November 13, 2008, 08:00:03 pm

Quote from: aero916 on November 13, 2008, 03:37:17 pm

ive been working on leaf cats but i had to take a break from them cuz of school

you'll get to change in no time xD

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: Savioured on November 13, 2008, 08:33:53 pm

depending on your level, i normally have around 30 - 40 dex, rest is on agi, str not so much cause a high atk dagger should do the trick (damascus is a goody) I've build tons of thief classes so i can relate to your situation  :D and apart from that when i started playing on this server which was years and years ago, i started out as a thief  ;)

What i did was lvl a novice to 30 with the novice gears purchaseable in the novice shop, just go pyramids. you'll level in no time [30 mins or so]

Next step i would change to a theif, pump my stats on agi and a little bit of dex, 15-20 dex, and level using the stilleto which the job changer gave me in payon dun01 until i'm ready to train in payong dun02. Oh and i'd carry some meat 100 or so and i'd also use the healing items which i collect while training, red herbs and red pots. I'd constantly earn high exp in here until about lvl 50. While lvling up i'll pump on agi and add a little bit more dex until about 25 or 30. By now i'd have a damascus and some good theif npc gears (theif suit, buckler, boots, etc)

Lvling is not such an issue here, i normally just go to tf02 and well i normally lvl my npc geared characters here till like... 80? sometime higher  :laugh: The higher i've lvled in tf02 is my sin which is 96  ;) easy class to lvl if u ask me  ;D

Oh and i never added any str until my flee was high enough to dodge most attack in tf02. Dex... i add until 40 only.

I dont know if you've chosen a second job yet or not but i normally go for a rogue cause of his auto-steal skill  :D great tool to collect cakes and earn some good money. I did this process till i got my ws gears completed except a lord kaho haha

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: nikki919 on November 14, 2008, 10:04:41 am

auto-steal is useful if you dont pick up items all the time or cant find any items to sell for a bit more money
one suggestion try lvl/get items with friends or something it helps alot really =D

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 14, 2008, 01:19:42 pm

yea thats my dilemma.. i want autosteal but i also want a sin...

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: the_undutchable on November 14, 2008, 04:25:09 pm

Make both?

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: nikki919 on November 15, 2008, 02:58:17 am

either that or do eine meine minie mo  :P but some people think sins are better but like the_undutchable said you could make both

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: lizziegiggles on November 15, 2008, 03:29:14 am

i love how most everyone is saying a different thing

pooor guy xD

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: Moon Drifter on November 15, 2008, 05:23:25 am

hehe well people have different preference when it comes to this xD

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: nikki919 on November 15, 2008, 09:56:23 am

Quote from: Moon Drifter on November 15, 2008, 05:23:25 am

hehe well people have different preference when it comes to this xD

yea guess so everybody has there opinion, thats why nothing can be perfect realy
some of us just think it is  :)

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 15, 2008, 12:22:12 pm

yea and i didnt have an opinion so i needed other ppls

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: nikki919 on November 15, 2008, 12:23:41 pm

ok well just chose out of any of the opinions typed  ;D

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: the_undutchable on November 15, 2008, 04:50:20 pm

Well... the basics of all posts are the same...

Some dex with a balnce of STR and AGI...
It's how you balance that's different in the posts...

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 15, 2008, 05:14:22 pm

yea... its coming close to decision time for sin and rogue

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: the_undutchable on November 15, 2008, 06:22:36 pm

Lol. Good luck making a choice /no1
I'll stop myself from pushing you to go rogue xD

<3 rogue/stalker

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 15, 2008, 09:08:56 pm

actually id like to hear what u gotta say bout rogue

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: the_undutchable on November 16, 2008, 07:18:50 am

Well... what do you want to know?
There's a lot to be said about them...
They have a million-and-one possible builds/leveling strategies

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 16, 2008, 09:03:38 am

idk anything about them... lots of ppl tell me to go to rogue, but i wa initially thinking sin... i want the autosteal skill... but i dont really know anything about rogues other than that... and i dont really know anything about sin with that said...

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: Savioured on November 16, 2008, 10:08:08 am

Well you have two choice though, i for one prefer rogues can i can auto-steal cakes and have another chance of getting another when i kill it so that makes it 2 cakes in 1  ;D not cause i'm lazy of picking the items up haha and also he's got a 1% higher discount rate than ws so when i was poor back then i used my rogue to buy vendable healing items, boosting speed pots, etc for my bs to vend. Generally i like rogue cause of his versatility to use bows, dagger, and the ability to copy cat skills (love SG's  :laugh:) Then ofcourse you need to copy cat skills which are applicable for your gears as in if you're poor, you're probably better off copying skills like triple blow or turn undead, etc.

Well aero so maybe you can't auto steal for a sin but you can do it manually which i dont quite see the problem heh just required some SP to do it but heck everytime i'm in tf02 with my sin, my SP generates fast enough for me to constantly steal; other than that you just need more energy to click on the mobs to steal haha which i for one don't really like in the long run  :P And i like sin too for it's high dmg with daggers, dont have to have good gears to use daggers if you ask me, back then when i lvled my sin to 96, all i got was a +10 Stiletto [tri Andre] and a +7 Gladius [tri Andre], started out baseball cap started out with moonlight hat though, whisper muff started out with condor muff, theif suit[0], boots

• <----- Upgraded them all to +4 and i had 2 mantel rings (str rings) at lvl 80 ish i started dealing nearly 900 dmg, at lvl 90 i dealt 1k+ dmg, i remember at lvl 96 i dealt 1.2k. So i basically 2 hit myst cases. Sin's do have their benefits too  ;) I tried both cause i wanted to have a feel of both classes, in fact i made many theif classes, rogue classes & sin classes just for the fun of it  :laugh: Ultimately i prefer rogue cause they seem more cool and versatile to play with

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: the_undutchable on November 16, 2008, 10:53:35 am

uh... I'll try give a short run-down of what rogues can do etc.
The most common things a rogue does/can do:
Under each section I've put what weapon you could use. If it's both dagger and bow, the bold is the better option, if applicable

1. Auto-steal
This is a signature move of the rogue class. You attack a monster and you get up to 20% chance to steal per hit. This is commonly used to save sp when farming.
It is extremely useful in TF2 and at seals/mobsters
Dagger only

The following are all skills commonly plagiarised by rogues/stalkers. This is also a signature skill of rogues/stalkers

2. Raging Trifecta Blow
Often used to get more damage in your attacks. Combined with double attack you will have a near never ending combo streak of yellow numbers. Depending on your aspd you should get between level 5 and 10 of this skill. The higher your aspd, the higher level you can get. This is mainly because the higher the level of RTB, the lower the chance for it to proc. Most commonly used when farming, or when hunting stings with a bow (especially if you don't have a sw card in your bow)
Dagger/Bow

3. Bowling Bash
This is often used to level quickly using mobs. Be careful though, because it takes a great deal of skill, experience with builds and some pretty good reduction gears to get this to work nicely. It is THE skill rogue/stalker classes use to kill mobs with because of the splash damage. If you use a bow, the element of the arrow is the element of your attack and the arrow isn't used. Very useful in certain places. I can hit Loli Ruri's with about 3300 damage in a mob of up to 10 loli's on my stalker using a silver arrow. Mainly used in places such as Skellington and Valley of Gyoll.
Dagger/Bow

4. Turn Undead
You need an undead armour (evil druid card) for this. If you can buy one, do so. It is a very very useful armour for a rogue/stalker to have. If it's in a padded armour, your BS/WS can use it in niff too, should you ever make a niff smith. You can use this to 1-hit KO undead monsters. For more help on builds etc. refer to the first post on page 30 of the rogue/stalker discussion thread. You'll use this skill mostly at ancient mummies.
Dagger/Bow

5. Storm Gust
You will need dex gear for this. You want a short cast time and high int for damage. Storm gust has a chance to freeze your enemies. Once storm gust is casted, you can shoot things with a bow whilst the knockback effect of SG keeps the monsters away. This is best used at high orcs.
Dagger/Bow

6. Jupiter Thunder
Like Storm gust. Difference is that this skill has a cooldown of your attack speed, and it is a 1 target spell.
Best skill to use in ice dungeon.
Dagger/Bow

Other skills I've plagiarised, but are not worth explaining much further:
- Water ball
- Magnus Excorsismus
- Arrow shower
- Magnum break
- Bash
- Fire wall (though this can be very useful as a barrier)
- Heal (can be very useful too)
- Flying Side Kick (useful WoE skill)

Other rogue skills worth mentioning:
- Intimidate: Teleports you and a monster to a random location on the map
- Compulsion Discount: 1% more discount from NPC's than a BS/WS
- Graffiti: Write text on the floor with the cost of 1 red gem (for fun skill)
- Steal Coin: steal zenny from a monster

There are way more things that can be written about. I've kept is relatively short and to the point. Hope this clears up some things /ok

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 18, 2008, 03:05:23 pm

thanks guys.. im not a big fan of bows so it looks like ill be going with a sin... if all fails tho ill probably make a rogue too... i just have to get 2 more job levels... ive been way too busy to play lately... hopefully ill get the job levels tonite... hopefully

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: slicerx on November 18, 2008, 03:43:05 pm

i dont like it how people keep saying agi is useless.  i had everything on agi (but a few on dex to make 100 hit spot on) and nothing ever hit me, i never had to heal and trained in toy factory from lvl 30-55 easy.     this worked for me coz, although it took a while to actually kill, i didnt die and spent NO money on healies. (plus when they were getting killed i would be smoking or eating so i wasnt bored.)
aside from that jibber jabber, id say agi is very good and i would say get alot of flee and a good amount of atk using a good weapon. (i only did about 80 dmg each time but fast)

i dont remember to much else detail wise.

Title: Re: Thief class
Post by: aero916 on November 18, 2008, 05:00:13 pm

yea im saving for a dopp card so ill get it eventually so im not too interested in complete agi, im more concerned for the balances between dex, agi, str and perhaps luck... i think im around 1/13 of the way there with zeny, 1/2 the way there with add credit