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Title: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Seth on May 23, 2013, 02:20:03 pm

I love the game and i come back when i am able to do so,i do work nearly around the clock but i have a break soon and i come back home to see that the same thing that made tons of people leave with the OP of Ads is back,and from what i understand we are reaching the 200+players now,maybe this should go in a suggestion or something but with the way things are going it don't look good for new players and returning players,so why not come up with a set price for Ads that the GM's could set it up like they did with roll back and so on and come up with their price for Ads and put like a Ads npc or something in so that we can get Ads at a non OP i just seen someone asking for 3mil per Ad..come on i think if it wasn't to much work our GM's could pull it off,and if you're worried about donations for server simply add a bonus wihen you pay real money for Ads.
Sorry for the not so positive feed back,i just recall what happened when this exact same issue with OP Ads went on.and if this is in the wrong place please feel free to move it.
Thank You.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Feylin on May 23, 2013, 03:20:05 pm

Honestly i dont see jow the GMs can set a price on anything witoit screwing the market up more...its the players who decide the market, what the GMs CAN do is work on some zenny sinks to get rid of the ridiculous amount of zenny in circulation. Thats the correct eay to fix the OP on ads and a lot of other stuff.

(on my phone sorry for typos but they are a pain in the ass to fix from here)

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: singer of strange songs on May 23, 2013, 03:40:30 pm

Lol. There is NO way ads will ever decrease in price unless GMs intervene with ways to make them accessible to everyone at a faster rate that doesn't involve donating. Ads will increase in price with the type of people selling them and the other desperate idiots buying them for outrages prices.

We're still in a discount and people are taking advantage of it by raising ad prices. 2.5 mil...Get the fuck out of here LOL.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Old Man on May 23, 2013, 03:57:00 pm

Quote from: Feylin on May 23, 2013, 03:20:05 pm

its the players who decide the market

Definitely.  The issue is that we don't have enough voters/donators who sell their ads, so the one or two who DO sell can overprice with no competition.  As long as people keep buying them at the high price, this will continue.  However, no one is obligated to buy ads for 3m lol...  I bought a couple last week from a friendly player for 1.8m, and I'm sure several would sell for 2m if you're patient :police:

About zeny in the market:
I'm sure this is a contributing factor, but it's not the main cause.  The bulk of the zeny lies in the hands of the rich vets, but they don't really need ads do they?  I think most of the ad buying is done by the "middle" class, although I don't have any way to prove that  :-\  Just seems logical lol.  Again, the main issue is that those who want to sell ads have no competition, so they can charge what they want.  The not-so-rich can still afford even 3m with an hour or so in niff/mosc/geff.

New players:
The current price of ads is actually a godsend for truly new players, who can't go to the major money making places in-game yet.  Just by voting and selling their ads, they can make several mil in a week and get their basic gears.  If they choose to donate they would make even more money.


Just food for thought  ::)

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Kerax on May 23, 2013, 06:19:00 pm

Make them obtainable IN GAME. Ads will lower in price then.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: jexanimus on May 23, 2013, 07:29:56 pm

Quote from: Kadoari on May 23, 2013, 06:19:00 pm

Make them obtainable IN GAME. Ads will lower in price then.

^ This plox~  ;D

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: detoxgirl on May 24, 2013, 07:45:17 pm

Keep voting guys . Its still free to vote. No complaint.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Saurian on May 24, 2013, 08:01:46 pm

Quote from: jexanimus on May 23, 2013, 07:29:56 pm

Quote from: Kadoari on May 23, 2013, 06:19:00 pm

Make them obtainable IN GAME. Ads will lower in price then.

^ This plox~  ;D

But it doesn't seem easy as it looks mate. ADS are real money. If you make it obtainable in game (ie. 'making' virtual money), then the server would not have enough real/actual money to support administration payments. In conclusion, donations loosen up the burden of the whole payment and ensures the server's survival in the long-run.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Kerax on May 24, 2013, 08:06:52 pm

It's actually pretty easy "mate". Our Sister Server is doing perfectly fine, and you can get them in game.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: singer of strange songs on May 24, 2013, 09:17:23 pm

The rate at which one would get ads in game would still be slow, making donating the fastest way to obtain ads. Doing things in game would be the second fastest, and voting would be the third fastest...or slowest way. People who don't have "time to play" would still donate.

I'll leave this here before it gets closed for mentioning the other server...

Quote from: DeePee on October 05, 2012, 02:06:58 am

The features implemented are pretty good and all (despite them being mostly PvP-related), but it's not helping the server one bit. The whole problem does not really lie with you and what you do for the server. It mostly lies with the administrator.

As long as the one in charge of the server stubbornly sticks to the "donation only" idea for the items that 90% of the current players already have, things will not change, no matter what you and other developers do for the server.

This might sound really harsh now, but do see it from the player side. It feels like the owner does not really want to risk his little gold mine, even though it's diminishing by the day. Refuses to buy a (pretty cheap) Harmony license to stop botting and cheating, does not get any topsite or RMS banners to advertise the server and attract more players that way but most of all: refuses to have a system where non-donators can also get access to the items that 90% of the current population already has.

As said before, this server's economy is based on a system where Ads were widely available. Any non-donator could get Ads pretty easily and thus a lot of people got very rich through that. Now that that system is no longer there, this server has become a donation-only server. You have vote for points, sure. But that's only a few cents every day. That's not a reasonable alternative.

If you really want to help the server, take a little risk. Do some investing. And most of all: don't be stubborn by sticking to the same system. It clearly does not work.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Lavitiz on May 25, 2013, 02:06:36 am

I sell Kerax my ads at 1.9m.  :angel:

And others at 2m.  :angel:

*Stares at Kaeri*

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Johnsu on June 04, 2013, 10:27:45 pm

Or we can, I dunno, make every item easier to get ingame.

Just food for thought.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: triggeres on July 04, 2013, 03:56:48 pm

this is late...like way late but I;m gonna say it.

making ads obtainable in game ways like minigames or events or however the GMs want it to happen helps the server.

it promotes more in game activity and not just people with credit cards can enjoy getting an item they always wanted.

DONT GET ME WRONG THOUGH. people donating will always get ads faster than people earning them in game but thats a good thing.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Lavitiz on July 04, 2013, 08:09:21 pm

Quote from: triggeres on July 04, 2013, 03:56:48 pm

it promotes more in game activity and not just people with credit cards can enjoy getting an item they always wanted.

^. And our sister does it well. Anesis can too!  :angel:

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: singer of strange songs on July 04, 2013, 08:11:23 pm

Quote from: Lavitiz on July 04, 2013, 08:09:21 pm

Quote from: triggeres on July 04, 2013, 03:56:48 pm

it promotes more in game activity and not just people with credit cards can enjoy getting an item they always wanted.

^. And our sister does it well. Anesis can too!  :angel:

Your statement is enough to have a GM breathing down your neck lol.
Not gonna happen on a matter of principles.  :police:

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Lavitiz on July 04, 2013, 08:29:51 pm

Quote from: singer of strange songs on July 04, 2013, 08:11:23 pm

Quote from: Lavitiz on July 04, 2013, 08:09:21 pm

Quote from: triggeres on July 04, 2013, 03:56:48 pm

it promotes more in game activity and not just people with credit cards can enjoy getting an item they always wanted.

^. And our sister does it well. Anesis can too!  :angel:

Your statement is enough to have a GM breathing down your neck lol.

They shouldn't be, I pointed out positive feedback that could potentially help the server. The staff shouldn't have a problem with that. =|

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: triggeres on July 04, 2013, 11:35:25 pm

Quote from: singer of strange songs on July 04, 2013, 08:11:23 pm

Not gonna happen on a matter of principles.  :police:

I actually find this statement rather ignorant.why belittle yourself on account someone else is doing it already if you can do the same if not similar
if it helps with the results you want/or what the people want.

edit: a lot of things here was taken from other places as examples to help the server. or overall were all taken the ideas from the main RO (IRO)
we're no different.

edit again: please understand this is my personal feedback in the subject of ads and its prices I respect everyones personal thoughts as long as you respect mine,but I will question some thoughts as I dont understand a persons ideas of what they are going from at times. it is just to  end my curiosity.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Lavitiz on July 05, 2013, 01:59:37 pm

*Shivers at their doppel nerf* NuffSaid =(

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Combo on July 05, 2013, 03:27:59 pm

Well if you just wanna keep the vets happy then by all means keep things OP and expensive.  Who needs new players anyways?

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: Lavitiz on July 05, 2013, 04:42:07 pm

Quote from: Combo on July 05, 2013, 03:27:59 pm

Well if you just wanna keep the vets happy then by all means keep things OP and expensive.  Who needs new players anyways?

The prices are already dropping. Look at MvP Cards on the market.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: singer of strange songs on July 05, 2013, 07:56:22 pm

Quote from: Nidhogg on July 05, 2013, 06:47:58 pm

...I still remember the massive breakage of SQI gears that happened following the first set of nerfs.

This must have slipped your mind(and Skoll's)but let me remind you that when the first nerf came, those sign posts that contain update news weren't implemented yet. Everyone who wasn't forum active wasn't in on these incoming nerfs. Hope that helps in remembering that NOT EVERYONE KNEW.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: singer of strange songs on July 05, 2013, 10:33:24 pm

Quote from: Nidhogg on July 05, 2013, 09:29:42 pm

What does that have to do with anything? It's not the staff member's fault that some players flat out refuse to visit the forums for announcements. The nerfs happened and people rage quit instead of checking forums. You must have forgotten the average population around that time because I remember seeing as low as 50-70 people in game at one point. Undoing some of the nerfs did bring some people back, but balancing issues still exist. Look at Nibel's discussion for a "wonderful" look at how players want to "balance" this SQI.

Flat out refuse? I'm not so sure about that. Once the first nerf came in and wind caught on about it, some people did join in on discussions like marjaansomethingsomething and sarita. Who could ever forget about sarita and I do remember those days lol. About 7~10 people were posting in the beginning. Anyway this thread is about ads, not sqis. Please stay on topic.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: triggeres on July 06, 2013, 12:25:09 am

Nid, who cares if people break there sqi's just because it got tweaked. if people want to rage quit with this mentally of "OMG I;M NOT OP ANYMORE FUCK THIS SERVER!"and instead think rationally and discuss the changes to the staff of why they are upset, do you want them to stay?those type of people pollute a server when they only think for themselves.

Title: Re: Ads way OP and what happened last time this went on.
Post by: singer of strange songs on July 06, 2013, 10:30:13 am

Voice of reason.