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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: @schoLary@ on April 09, 2011, 07:55:50 pm
Title: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 09, 2011, 07:55:50 pm
I was wondering what other Two-handed swords are implemented that aren't on the item shop. :/ Was wondering because I noticed a bunch of swords that seemed to be missing there like the muscle cutter. So I'm hoping someone could please give me a list or post a list of the implemented Two-handed swords on our server.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Bagel-kun on April 09, 2011, 08:10:18 pm
As far as implimented im not sure but most of these should be.
TO help you out a bit I KNOW we dont have Arc Bringer Chrome Metal two-handed sword
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 12, 2011, 01:09:00 am
Okay, how about to be more specific are these actually implemented?
Bloody Eater [2]
Death Guidance [2] / Invoker Of Death
Muscle Cutter [2]
Violet Fear [2]
Tae Goo Lyeon [2]
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Bagel-kun on April 12, 2011, 01:11:23 am
I know bloody eater, muscle cutter and violet fear are. Im pretty sure deaths guidance is either implemented or being tested for balance issues. No idea about the last one.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 12, 2011, 05:12:43 pm
The last one is also known as Tegron on RMS. If it helps any.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: DeePee on April 12, 2011, 05:22:14 pm
It's a sealed shrine drop.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Bagel-kun on April 12, 2011, 05:56:54 pm
so yes but no one has it?
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 13, 2011, 12:40:40 am
Would like some confirmation if tae goo Lyeon and Death Guidance is actually implemented. : /
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Razer on April 13, 2011, 10:50:41 am
Would like some confirmation if tae goo Lyeon and Death Guidance is actually implemented. : /
Guidance is not implemented as a drop since it comes out with Scaraba dungeon episode which I believe is El Dicastes.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Lang on April 13, 2011, 12:11:54 pm
I thought it was supposed to drop off of tendrillion?
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Razer on April 13, 2011, 01:28:55 pm
Unless someone has found one, I am more inclined to believe that it gets added to tendrillion after El Dicastes. There is after all some future stuff in the game db despite it not being officially there like Niddhogur Dragon.
Unless someone has found one, I am more inclined to believe that it gets added to tendrillion after El Dicastes. There is after all some future stuff in the game db despite it not being officially there like Niddhogur Dragon.
And this one does drop. I picked one for 500k from some guy in Alberta. Its slots dont show though.
I saw that sword also but didnt bother when I saw its level 2 weapon and it shows no slot... damn if I only knew... anyhow the price when I saw it is like 3 or 5m something like that...
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Razer on April 14, 2011, 03:36:13 am
The level 2 is probably a mistake but the 3 slots and 220 possible base attack still makes it out class other 2 H swords unless you get a +7 Violet Fear[2].
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 14, 2011, 03:34:15 pm
At +10 out of all the two handed swords which would have the highest attack power or which one would be strongest? Available to us currently I mean.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Bagel-kun on April 14, 2011, 04:09:26 pm
Krasnaya i do believe simply because of the slots *and the fact it does have quite a bit of power ;P*
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Razer on April 14, 2011, 04:31:15 pm
A +10 Violet Fear[2] Outclasses every thing unless you are using a very high str built with Krasanya since the third slot makes it a winner :p
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: tsukaza13 on April 15, 2011, 12:43:24 am
What carding would you use for each? And if neither are overupped, the Krasnaya wins? ;o
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Razer on April 15, 2011, 04:39:52 am
What carding would you use for each? And if neither are overupped, the Krasnaya wins? ;o
If you are using a low str Build Violet fear is better , if you are using a very high str build or want more utility then Krasanya wins. If Krasanya was level 3 or above - it would win on all fronts against a Violet fear[2]. +4 Violet fear[2] = 303 Base attack +6 Krasanya[3] = 212 Base attack (+Sam = 277 Base attack, 95 str build = 297+ Base attack)
The guidance sword is awesome but it has a severe defect which can get annoying at 190 ASPD.It is nevertheless the best option for P.D 2H Lks. Just that you will need to find a way the status effects. Probably use undead armor and carry holy water.
To add in raw damaging terms +10 Violet Fear[2] will be the best. However, the third slot makes Krasanya more desirable if you want utility over damage: example - DBP/DBA instead of just DB. I personally would like both +10DB Violet fear and a +10 DBP Krasanya :p
+10 Violet fear is next to impossible to make though , unless it was obtainable by some other means as well.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 15, 2011, 09:55:27 am
Got to admit it's like a stronger and more utility version of Claymore. Though Violet fear has a higher attack power and it has the ability to go through defense. >.>
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Bagel-kun on April 15, 2011, 09:59:41 am
never forget the cost vrs usefulness ;P Voilet fear its gonna be a pritty penny all carded up. Krasnaya even with the extra slot will be cheaper.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: tsukaza13 on April 15, 2011, 10:32:55 am
What carding would you use for each? And if neither are overupped, the Krasnaya wins? ;o
If you are using a low str Build Violet fear is better , if you are using a very high str build or want more utility then Krasanya wins. If Krasanya was level 3 or above - it would win on all fronts against a Violet fear[2]. +4 Violet fear[2] = 303 Base attack +6 Krasanya[3] = 212 Base attack (+Sam = 277 Base attack, 95 str build = 297+ Base attack)
The guidance sword is awesome but it has a severe defect which can get annoying at 190 ASPD.It is nevertheless the best option for P.D 2H Lks. Just that you will need to find a way the status effects. Probably use undead armor and carry holy water.
To add in raw damaging terms +10 Violet Fear[2] will be the best. However, the third slot makes Krasanya more desirable if you want utility over damage: example - DBP/DBA instead of just DB. I personally would like both +10DB Violet fear and a +10 DBP Krasanya :p
+10 Violet fear is next to impossible to make though , unless it was obtainable by some other means as well.
I must be getting dumb, I still don't get which is stronger without overupping. @_@ I'll reread this after exams. Unlikely to ever get a Violet Fear, though. ;x
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Razer on April 15, 2011, 02:06:46 pm
I must be getting dumb, I still don't get which is stronger without overupping. @_@ I'll reread this after exams. Unlikely to ever get a Violet Fear, though. ;x
Well if you want raw power Violet fear, if you want to put 3 different cards like DBP then Krasanya.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 15, 2011, 11:58:44 pm
Another question is Tegron (Tae Goo Lyeon) dropping off Great Demon Baphomet?
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 16, 2011, 07:26:39 pm
What carding would you use for each? And if neither are overupped, the Krasnaya wins? ;o
If you are using a low str Build Violet fear is better , if you are using a very high str build or want more utility then Krasanya wins. If Krasanya was level 3 or above - it would win on all fronts against a Violet fear[2]. +4 Violet fear[2] = 303 Base attack +6 Krasanya[3] = 212 Base attack (+Sam = 277 Base attack, 95 str build = 297+ Base attack)
The guidance sword is awesome but it has a severe defect which can get annoying at 190 ASPD.It is nevertheless the best option for P.D 2H Lks. Just that you will need to find a way the status effects. Probably use undead armor and carry holy water.
To add in raw damaging terms +10 Violet Fear[2] will be the best. However, the third slot makes Krasanya more desirable if you want utility over damage: example - DBP/DBA instead of just DB. I personally would like both +10DB Violet fear and a +10 DBP Krasanya :p
+10 Violet fear is next to impossible to make though , unless it was obtainable by some other means as well.
Using a doppel on a two handed LK is retarded imo. Waste of a card slot.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Bagel-kun on April 16, 2011, 07:48:02 pm
why is it retarded? maybe they want luck, str or vit and not agi?
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: tsukaza13 on April 16, 2011, 10:16:57 pm
Mmm... maybe cause you can hit 190 aspd by 2h quicken+berserk pot+frenzy without statting any agi? (Not sure if that works with/without Muramasa, but you'll come pretty close)
Frenzy isn't exactly a sustainable way to PvM, though.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Bagel-kun on April 16, 2011, 10:27:31 pm
Sure you can but really you wanna do frenzy with no shield?
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 16, 2011, 10:53:48 pm
why is it retarded? maybe they want luck, str or vit and not agi?
You don't need to sacrifice those stats for a two hand LK without doppel. I prefer doing as much damage as I can in the least amount of time I can, but that's just me. I guess it's preference mainly.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: tsukaza13 on April 16, 2011, 11:10:29 pm
Sure you can but really you wanna do frenzy with no shield?
Activating Parrying before you Frenzy generally gives you a lot more reduction than any shield could. Unless it was a specialized one like GTB, I suppose.
why is it retarded? maybe they want luck, str or vit and not agi?
You don't need to sacrifice those stats for a two hand LK without doppel. I prefer doing as much damage as I can in the least amount of time I can, but that's just me. I guess it's preference mainly.
So how would you do it? ;o
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Razer on April 17, 2011, 04:23:40 am
Using a doppel on a two handed LK is retarded imo. Waste of a card slot.
Why is it retarded ? You cant get 190 ASPD without frenzy or statting in high AGI otherwise.
You don't need 190 attackspeed to do considerable damage. Unless you're just melee'ing. Then you're just doing it wrong and should keep your shitty damage.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Razer on April 18, 2011, 07:07:08 pm
Using a doppel on a two handed LK is retarded imo. Waste of a card slot.
Why is it retarded ? You cant get 190 ASPD without frenzy or statting in high AGI otherwise.
You don't need 190 attackspeed to do considerable damage. Unless you're just melee'ing. Then you're just doing it wrong and should keep your shitty damage.
Then by your logic Smiths should use Cart revo instead of Meleeing ? I understand BB is awesome but still bothersome. People have preference over playing styles. Some like comfort while some are intense with skill usage. Its rather unsporting to call other playstyles as retarded or shitty.
On a personal note - I prefer Spear LKs Brandishing for training LKs. On a 2H LK I would just be on for fun and meeling like a Sinx or a smith. Rounding up shit,positioning and BBing isnt fun for some.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 18, 2011, 09:40:53 pm
IF Cart Revo did more dps than just melee'ing, then yes that's my logic. BB isn't bothersome. It's never been bothersome since the switch to eA, so I don't know why everyone is complaining. BB is just one of the useful skills a LK has to level/kill shit. Like I said, I know it's personal preference, but playing badly because you like playing badly doesn't mean you're playing well.
And yea I prefer having a shield and spear as well but a two handed LK can level efficiently with a two hand sword as well. As long as they know what they're doing.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 19, 2011, 01:40:55 am
IF Cart Revo did more dps than just melee'ing, then yes that's my logic. BB isn't bothersome. It's never been bothersome since the switch to eA, so I don't know why everyone is complaining. BB is just one of the useful skills a LK has to level/kill shit. Like I said, I know it's personal preference, but playing badly because you like playing badly doesn't mean you're playing well.
And yea I prefer having a shield and spear as well but a two handed LK can level efficiently with a two hand sword as well. As long as they know what they're doing.
So let me get this straight. Judging by what you say, a LK should just use the highest damaging skill to kill bloody everything and not take into account anything else because in PvE all you need to do is kill shit through pure damage?
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: tsukaza13 on April 19, 2011, 02:02:51 am
Apparently. Whacking things to death is more fun IMO.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 19, 2011, 06:58:18 am
IF Cart Revo did more dps than just melee'ing, then yes that's my logic. BB isn't bothersome. It's never been bothersome since the switch to eA, so I don't know why everyone is complaining. BB is just one of the useful skills a LK has to level/kill shit. Like I said, I know it's personal preference, but playing badly because you like playing badly doesn't mean you're playing well.
And yea I prefer having a shield and spear as well but a two handed LK can level efficiently with a two hand sword as well. As long as they know what they're doing.
So let me get this straight. Judging by what you say, a LK should just use the highest damaging skill to kill bloody everything and not take into account anything else because in PvE all you need to do is kill shit through pure damage?
Again, I thought the point was to do as much damage to a monster in order to kill them/level efficiently. It's not only about using the highest damage attack, it's about using the right high damaging skill. If you're going to bowling bash around with 140 aspd, you're doing it wrong, or if you're brandishing or BB'ing with full str and no vit or anyway of reducing damage, you're doing it wrong. Spiraling with a slow as hell cast time even with a TTT Nib, is still doing it wrong. It's not all about the highest damage, it's about the highest dps. Finding the balance between attack speed and high damage output that makes you kill shit faster and more efficiently without having to spam through a ton of meats in order to stay alive. I have fun playing smart unlike most of the server. :p
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Razer on April 19, 2011, 08:31:40 am
Finding the balance between attack speed and high damage output that makes you kill shit faster and more efficiently without having to spam through a ton of meats in order to stay alive. I have fun playing smart unlike most of the server. :p
There are times you would be wrong in self belief that your methods are best . None of us are always 100% correct .
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 19, 2011, 09:25:59 am
I never said I was right. I merely suggested what I think to be the best strategy when using a two handed LK. Whether or not people want to believe me or not, is up to them. I'm only here to try and share the awesomeness. 8)
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 19, 2011, 10:29:25 am
I never said I was right. I merely suggested what I think to be the best strategy when using a two handed LK. Whether or not people want to believe me or not, is up to them. I'm only here to try and share the awesomeness. 8)
So wouldn't that mean having 190 ASPD be a good thing then?
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 19, 2011, 05:49:24 pm
I never said I was right. I merely suggested what I think to be the best strategy when using a two handed LK. Whether or not people want to believe me or not, is up to them. I'm only here to try and share the awesomeness. 8)
So wouldn't that mean having 190 ASPD be a good thing then?
Without a Doppel? Yea, cause then that slot would be better used with a TG or something. I just tested a random build and I get 185 aspd without a doppel and 35k HP. That's with 99 vit which is a big no no. I'm just demonstrating how your HP doesn't have to suffer from adding some agi. You just gotta know what stats to place. Also, I'm not sure if people know but berz accessories help Bowling Bash's after cast delay for some reason. Makes it seem like your dps is a lot faster. Same build without berz and it was noticeably slower. One berz accessory and a Meg or something else would work just as well.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Bagel-kun on April 19, 2011, 06:06:02 pm
you say that like everyone in the world has access to those accesories. Id imagine people would have the weapon with its card for a length of time before getting the other items.
Anyways i prefer crit builds on knights anyways so i would get the doppel and be stating luck not agi.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Razer on April 19, 2011, 06:17:37 pm
And Crits splash as well. Better on high defence stuff like Raydrics or monsters which drain SP like Incubus. Bowling bash Wont work well vs a mob of high defence stuff. Especially if that stuff also casts skilsl to drain your SP all the time. It will become a sloppy, annoying affair.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 19, 2011, 06:17:47 pm
If you can buy Doppel, Bapho, and Samurai cards, that's 3 Berz Cards you could've purchased.
And Crit's only good for melee'ing but even then, you still don't need a doppel since all you need for crit is 2 gryphs and you're golden. =/
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Bagel-kun on April 19, 2011, 06:23:21 pm
wait im confused why no doppel? i thought 190 aspd with crits was a good thing?
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 19, 2011, 06:25:14 pm
I give up.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Bagel-kun on April 19, 2011, 06:27:49 pm
oh i see what you mean.... *reread what you posted* anyways two gryphs isnt enough crit for me. I want more ;P
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 19, 2011, 06:30:37 pm
That's what the luk stat is for.... ._. Plus I'm sure there's other things you could use to raise your crit, I was simply mentioning the basic things you needed for a crit build.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Bagel-kun on April 19, 2011, 06:33:09 pm
true you could always pop on some kobold dl's your going the splashy crit route. In fact this seems really really fun... screw nib im totally doing this :P
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 19, 2011, 06:45:02 pm
You can still crit with nib. :P
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Bagel-kun on April 19, 2011, 06:46:12 pm
true i could ;P but i know ill never farm up the zeny for a nib lol ;p
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 19, 2011, 10:12:02 pm
I never said I was right. I merely suggested what I think to be the best strategy when using a two handed LK. Whether or not people want to believe me or not, is up to them. I'm only here to try and share the awesomeness. 8)
So wouldn't that mean having 190 ASPD be a good thing then?
Without a Doppel? Yea, cause then that slot would be better used with a TG or something. I just tested a random build and I get 185 aspd without a doppel and 35k HP. That's with 99 vit which is a big no no. I'm just demonstrating how your HP doesn't have to suffer from adding some agi. You just gotta know what stats to place. Also, I'm not sure if people know but berz accessories help Bowling Bash's after cast delay for some reason. Makes it seem like your dps is a lot faster. Same build without berz and it was noticeably slower. One berz accessory and a Meg or something else would work just as well.
Actually I know about the berzebubs since I use them on my pally, and decided to try them on my LK to test out BB's cast time. I actually tried out using a simple DDTP blade and BB on HOs....... It DPS'd my broadsword with two Orc Lady cards. Both builds had the same strength. ._.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 20, 2011, 02:49:15 am
I've always prefered spears when it came to Knights. They were talking about two hand swords, though. Didn't wanna stray too far from the convo.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 20, 2011, 03:09:17 pm
I've always prefered spears when it came to Knights. They were talking about two hand swords, though. Didn't wanna stray too far from the convo.
Obviously, because spears have more skills and versatility to work with then Two-hand swords. Though for some reason two-hand swords get more buffs then the spears.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 20, 2011, 05:47:04 pm
That's because you have to sacrifice your shield for those "buffs". Seems reasonable to me.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 20, 2011, 06:10:33 pm
That's because you have to sacrifice your shield for those "buffs". Seems reasonable to me.
But what about two handed spears? Or is that only applicable to saders/pallys
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 20, 2011, 06:14:44 pm
Some two handed spears do offer buffs or improvments on one handed spears, again at the cost of losing your shield. Brionac, and Cardo come to mind right away. Holy Prop/Heal on one and heaviest spear I know atm.
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 21, 2011, 12:06:34 am
What do you believe would prompt someone to use a Two-handed Sword build over Spear build on our server? Lately I've noticed mostly people just going spear because of Nib. : /
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: tsukaza13 on April 21, 2011, 12:10:52 am
Lack of funds for a Nib? >_>
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Neetox on April 21, 2011, 06:42:16 pm
Haha, pretty much. This and lack of funds for MVP cards perhaps as well. You can do pretty well with a racial two hand sword in terms of damage. Otherwise it's probably just better to use reductions that include shields to do stuff. Parrying is quite awesome but it's no shield. When it comes to mobbing with parrying? Jesus fucking christ. DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING.
As for WoE, it's just better to have a shield on than depend on luck and hope you parry an Asura or Spiral Pierce. Doesn't stop things like Sharp Shooting and Acid Demonstration, though. Not to mention that it's just better to have a shield on
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: @schoLary@ on April 21, 2011, 10:57:19 pm
In comparison, are there actual one handed spears that could be used instead of Nib?
Title: Re: List of Two-hand swords
Post by: Combo on April 21, 2011, 11:14:31 pm