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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: exDragon on November 12, 2010, 10:16:02 am

Title: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on November 12, 2010, 10:16:02 am
It said that GMs work on tickets based on order so replying to a ticket moves it to the bottom so it takes longer for a GM to resolve the ticket but this contradicts what GM Haine said.
Quote from:  GM Haine
Staff with ticket access has the ability to have tickets arranged how they want.

This comment was in regards to replying in tickets moving it to the bottom of the list so it takes longer to answer.  Do you follow any type of order when answering tickets or do you just pick a random one off the list?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Linmakana on November 12, 2010, 11:02:00 am
I think the easier tickets are done first. I've never had to wait for more than 24 hours to get a reply to a ticket.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Sky king yang on November 12, 2010, 11:12:18 am
I think the easier tickets are done first. I've never had to wait for more than 24 hours to get a reply to a ticket.

Try one week.  -.-  I think that's what happen to me.
BTW what happens if A GM does not respond to a ticket longer than a week?  Is there another GM that can work on this?  If that can't be done I suggest hiring more GM's.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: GreaterPepe on November 12, 2010, 11:17:54 am
I think the easier tickets are done first. I've never had to wait for more than 24 hours to get a reply to a ticket.

This is most likely true.

The GM that happens to be browsing tickets at the time probably takes the tickets that they are most familiar with and completes them first.
So simple tickets probably take priority over more complicated ones. But I'm not 100% Sure how true that is.

When I ask for Unslots, Name changes or Kaho changes, it usually only takes a day at most. Once it literally took around ten minutes.
But when I asked for a marriage ticket, it took a couple weeks.

So either marriages are a lot harder to complete than they look, or Unslots/Kaho/Valk/Name changes take priority, followed by Ad Credit issues like missing Ad credits from donations, then after that stuff like weddings and adoptions. And then after that, more complicated stuff like reporting players for tougher issues like Scams, Interfering with WoE, Abusing bugs etc. Then after THAT, missing items and such.

That's just from my personal experience with the time it takes to fill out tickets.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Sky king yang on November 12, 2010, 11:27:39 am
Shit...well donating is one issue but im talking about recovery fee for my Npc'd gear. Ive already been told this gear was npcd by the GM but this certain GM is gone missing. Oh well, gms keep doing a great job. I know you work hard as I do and got other properties to take care of.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: G-Star on November 12, 2010, 06:58:53 pm
Shit...well donating is one issue but im talking about recovery fee for my Npc'd gear. Ive already been told this gear was npcd by the GM but this certain GM is gone missing. Oh well, gms keep doing a great job. I know you work hard as I do and got other properties to take care of.

my old friend NPCd two brys for 10 zeny... had to recover that for 50$ or more i don't remember exactly >_>
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: SanRath on November 12, 2010, 07:33:16 pm
Shit...well donating is one issue but im talking about recovery fee for my Npc'd gear. Ive already been told this gear was npcd by the GM but this certain GM is gone missing. Oh well, gms keep doing a great job. I know you work hard as I do and got other properties to take care of.

my old friend NPCd two brys for 10 zeny... had to recover that for 50$ or more i don't remember exactly >_>

SQI recovery fee is $30 each
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on November 13, 2010, 01:56:42 am
It said that GMs work on tickets based on order so replying to a ticket moves it to the bottom so it takes longer for a GM to resolve the ticket but this contradicts what GM Haine said.
Quote from:  GM Haine
Staff with ticket access has the ability to have tickets arranged how they want.

This comment was in regards to replying in tickets moving it to the bottom of the list so it takes longer to answer.  Do you follow any type of order when answering tickets or do you just pick a random one off the list?
They probably have a option for each thing you mentioned and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't radomize them or anything.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: drigerx1 on November 13, 2010, 02:11:29 am
I have a theory that they just put all the tickets in a hat and pick one out  ???
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Xia Xue on November 13, 2010, 07:00:49 am
lol that's too random then
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: G-Star on November 13, 2010, 07:05:07 am
Shit...well donating is one issue but im talking about recovery fee for my Npc'd gear. Ive already been told this gear was npcd by the GM but this certain GM is gone missing. Oh well, gms keep doing a great job. I know you work hard as I do and got other properties to take care of.

my old friend NPCd two brys for 10 zeny... had to recover that for 50$ or more i don't remember exactly >_>

SQI recovery fee is $30 each

oh oké, like i said i wasn't sure :P
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: dailydaily on November 15, 2010, 12:01:53 am
once in ayothya dungeon, while leveling my high merchie, i dropped gears to my tank to pick up instead of trading (DBSS mace )
and the most stupidest thing ever !!

the leaf cats picked it up .. Had to collect a whole of 10-15 leaf cats before my gear is lost :)
lucky for me, the cat that took mine was killed and it dropped the mace !

a champ was there, looking at it, WTF !!
it was fun, but i almost dropped my balls  ;D
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Linmakana on November 15, 2010, 01:09:39 am
once in ayothya dungeon, while leveling my high merchie, i dropped gears to my tank to pick up instead of trading (DBSS mace )
and the most stupidest thing ever !!

the leaf cats picked it up .. Had to collect a whole of 10-15 leaf cats before my gear is lost :)
lucky for me, the cat that took mine was killed and it dropped the mace !

a champ was there, looking at it, WTF !!
it was fun, but i almost dropped my balls  ;D
Now kids, what have we learned from this lesson?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Xia Xue on November 15, 2010, 07:25:05 am
once in ayothya dungeon, while leveling my high merchie, i dropped gears to my tank to pick up instead of trading (DBSS mace )
and the most stupidest thing ever !!

the leaf cats picked it up .. Had to collect a whole of 10-15 leaf cats before my gear is lost :)
lucky for me, the cat that took mine was killed and it dropped the mace !

a champ was there, looking at it, WTF !!
it was fun, but i almost dropped my balls  ;D
good thing you didn't die when it dropped the mace ;< cause you'll cry out loud if you do
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: G-Star on November 15, 2010, 12:07:51 pm
once in ayothya dungeon, while leveling my high merchie, i dropped gears to my tank to pick up instead of trading (DBSS mace )
and the most stupidest thing ever !!

the leaf cats picked it up .. Had to collect a whole of 10-15 leaf cats before my gear is lost :)
lucky for me, the cat that took mine was killed and it dropped the mace !

a champ was there, looking at it, WTF !!
it was fun, but i almost dropped my balls  ;D
Now kids, what have we learned from this lesson?

yea, dropping down is a risk, trade is faster and safer :P
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Linmakana on November 15, 2010, 01:44:44 pm
yea, dropping down is a risk, trade is faster and safer :P
Safer? Yes. Faster? No.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: SukiChii on November 15, 2010, 04:06:18 pm
Someone dropped an evang and a poporing ate it.
He didn't get it back, and had to pay to recover it.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Linmakana on November 15, 2010, 04:29:30 pm
Also, that guy who drop traded his gears to an alt right before a server crash. He had to pay to recover it.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on November 15, 2010, 04:37:32 pm
What exactly is done to pick which tickets get looked at next then?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Linmakana on November 15, 2010, 04:40:19 pm
What exactly is done to pick which tickets get looked at next then?
I think the easier tickets are done first. I've never had to wait for more than 24 hours to get a reply to a ticket.

This is most likely true.

The GM that happens to be browsing tickets at the time probably takes the tickets that they are most familiar with and completes them first.
So simple tickets probably take priority over more complicated ones. But I'm not 100% Sure how true that is.

GM input would help a lot.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: G-Star on November 16, 2010, 07:07:03 am
yea, dropping down is a risk, trade is faster and safer :P
Safer? Yes. Faster? No.

Safer? Yes. Faster? Yes.
On my experience, i were faster than dropping down, we can test it if you want.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Xia Xue on November 16, 2010, 07:36:17 am
yea, dropping down is a risk, trade is faster and safer :P
Safer? Yes. Faster? No.

Safer? Yes. Faster? Yes.
On my experience, i were faster than dropping down, we can test it if you want.

SO..
Which is tue?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on November 21, 2010, 03:50:29 pm
How are the tickets actually handled?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Linmakana on November 21, 2010, 03:52:50 pm
How about you just wait until a GM replies?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on November 21, 2010, 03:54:05 pm
They can't reply to what they can't see.  It was already part way down on the second page.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on November 21, 2010, 03:56:50 pm
yea, dropping down is a risk, trade is faster and safer :P
Safer? Yes. Faster? No.

Safer? Yes. Faster? Yes.
On my experience, i were faster than dropping down, we can test it if you want.
I remember picking up katadama's valk kaho after he attempted to drop trade it. I gave it back right away but he said "Q_Q" when I got a hold of it. Made me lol.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: G-Star on November 21, 2010, 04:08:52 pm
So bump it ~ lol
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Linmakana on November 21, 2010, 04:11:28 pm
They can't reply to what they can't see.  It was already part way down on the second page.
So why are still asking for an answer?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on November 21, 2010, 05:29:04 pm
They can't reply to what they can't see.  It was already part way down on the second page.
So why are still asking for an answer?
Server people need insider info to get their tickets answered faster than everyone else?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Malique on November 21, 2010, 07:48:49 pm
They can't reply to what they can't see.

You'd be surprised.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on November 22, 2010, 09:39:49 am
They can't reply to what they can't see.  It was already part way down on the second page.
So why are still asking for an answer?

It would be nice to know how tickets are answered so that they can be written in a way that speeds up how fast they are replied to.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on November 22, 2010, 09:54:17 am
They can't reply to what they can't see.  It was already part way down on the second page.
So why are still asking for an answer?

It would be nice to know how tickets are answered so that they can be written in a way that speeds up how fast they are replied to.
I'll give you a hint. Spelling,Grammar,Details,SS!
Easy?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on November 22, 2010, 01:18:34 pm
They can't reply to what they can't see.  It was already part way down on the second page.
So why are still asking for an answer?

It would be nice to know how tickets are answered so that they can be written in a way that speeds up how fast they are replied to.
I'll give you a hint. Spelling,Grammar,Details,SS!
Easy?


That actually brought on this question.  We are told that adding something to a ticket after it has been made puts it at the bottom of the list so do not do that but also told that they don't actually follow list order which leaves the question what is actually done?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Linmakana on November 22, 2010, 01:42:43 pm
That actually brought on this question.  We are told that adding something to a ticket after it has been made puts it at the bottom of the list so do not do that but also told that they don't actually follow list order which leaves the question what is actually done?
How about you read the first page?
Since a GM hasn't posted anything concerning this (as far as I know), then you'll have to assume what they do.
It's only logical.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on November 22, 2010, 06:37:58 pm
Assume they do what?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on November 22, 2010, 07:04:40 pm
Assume they do what?
Just assume a answer to your questions until otherwise said. Other than that hope people put up with what they call "Your illegitimate logical reasoning."
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Linmakana on November 22, 2010, 07:39:50 pm
Assume they do what?
Just assume a answer to your questions until otherwise said. Other than that hope people put up with what they call "Your illegitimate logical reasoning."
lord_nathan9 > exDragon
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on November 23, 2010, 12:03:50 am
Assume they do what?
Just assume a answer to your questions until otherwise said. Other than that hope people put up with what they call "Your illegitimate logical reasoning."
lord_nathan9 > exDragon
Thanks. One of my shining moments. /no1
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on November 23, 2010, 12:19:52 pm
Assume they do what?
Just assume a answer to your questions until otherwise said. Other than that hope people put up with what they call "Your illegitimate logical reasoning."

If you don't have anything useful to say then don't clutter the topic with your trolling.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on November 23, 2010, 12:42:38 pm
Assume they do what?
Just assume a answer to your questions until otherwise said. Other than that hope people put up with what they call "Your illegitimate logical reasoning."

If you don't have anything useful to say then don't clutter the topic with your trolling.
LOL, your whole topic is a trollfest.(And non-GM opinions which clearly can only be answered accurately by a Past/Current GM) Everybody's doing it ;D
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Linmakana on November 23, 2010, 04:40:39 pm
As Nathan said, we know absolutely NOTHING about how the tickets are handled until a GM posts about it.

So how about you just wait? Or personally ask a GM in-game or forum PM.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on November 23, 2010, 07:03:47 pm
As Nathan said, we know absolutely NOTHING about how the tickets are handled until a GM posts about it.

So how about you just wait? Or personally ask a GM in-game or forum PM.
Or a support ticket. (lol irony of the topic and my post.)
Actually I don't think GMs and PRs even read half of what gets put into their PM boxes. Either that or they just don't post. The GMs here have a big tendency for that. Not a bad thing except when everyone is running around like Linmakana with his head chopped off. (more jokes for my own lols. Thinking about putting them in my siggy.) I have seen countless posts of people saying they Pm'ed it to GM/PR *Insert Name* and the thread rarely gets a post from a GM/PR. Though in order these are the best ways to talk with them.
1.Support Tickets (As long as you follow guidelines.)
2.GM/PR in game.
3.Posting in a topic that relates to a current project of the GMs/PRs.
4.Forum Pming.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Linmakana on November 23, 2010, 10:28:17 pm
Or you can backtrace one of the GMs, go to their house, and interrogate them personally.
And then flee the country.

Works best, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on November 23, 2010, 10:30:47 pm
Or you can backtrace one of the GMs, go to their house, and interrogate them personally.
And then flee the country.

Works best, in my opinion.
:o I think he would want to keep it cheap and legal. That sounds expensive.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Schrodinger on November 23, 2010, 11:07:37 pm
At one point I made a post outlining what happens with tickets, but I suppose I'll post again to try and let people realize how tickets are set.

Obviously, they're separated into categories when you make said tickets

No category - Obv
Tech - Technical Issue
Lost - Lost items/gear/accounts
Report - Reports on whatever, players, bots, etc
Donate - Donation issues
Marry - Marriage/adoption/divorce
Spend - Spend Credits.

Each of these categories, stick in their categories, so they don't mix up (like haine stated, we have options to change this, we can just moosh them all together, but that's hectic as fuck and annoying, and I doubt any staff member does it).

How tickets work with replies is this.

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Let's assume those are all tickets, numbered in the order they were submitted, so 1 was submitted, and then 2, etc.

Meaning when we open our list, 1 is at the top, and is the one that the GM doing tickets will check first, let's say for instance, that this is say, a scam ticket or lost category, and I'm the GM doing tickets at the moment.

I read the ticket, check if there's any info missing (did the player ACTUALLY lose the item, did they misplace it, are they an idiot and sold it to an npc).  Now, let's say the ticket merely states...

"Halp, lost my gr armor, dunno where it is, hope nobody stole it"

I check the item logs for the character they stated with the ticket, but the kaho doesn't come up in the item logs at all.

"Sorry, the item you're looking for isn't coming up in the item logs, do you have any other characters it would have been kept on, and does anyone besides you have access to your accounts?"

Now, when they reply, the ticket order changes, it's now:

2.
3.
4.
5.
1.

Time passes, and let's say... another GM has answered something for 2., so it's now:

3.
4.
5.
1.
2.

But let's say... 4 is an impatient brat, and is spamming his ticket.

3.
5.
1.
2.
4.

Congrats 4, you're an idiot and you keep pushing your ticket to the bottom.

As to GM's "not following list order" it's pretty stupid to think we don't.  But I personally don't have ungodly jurisdiction, so there's only so much I can do for certain tickets, same for Zidane, or Ryouki, sometimes tickets will just reach a point where we can't make those calls, at which point, it becomes an issue only Haine, or maybe Tesla could answer, and Haine is certainly one of the busiest GM's with all the work she does.  In the end, I will skip to an issue I can resolve, or push in the right direction, and work like that.

Bumping your ticket really just seeks to enrage us, because we're working as much as we can, on as many tickets as we can, it's hard to keep track of all of them, and checking a ticket to find "Hay gm, y you lazy" "Hay gm, update plz" "Hay GM, if I donate will this make ticket go faster", does nothing to help, and really only insults us, (especially trying to bribe us with donations, in fact I just locked a ticket recently because someone was spamming the ticket and trying to get us to hurry up by saying he would donate).
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on November 23, 2010, 11:20:16 pm
^ We need to sticky this somewhere. Useful Info.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Xia Xue on November 25, 2010, 08:23:56 am
nice info  8)
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 03, 2010, 08:22:31 am
Quote from: GM Haine
Staff with ticket access has the ability to have tickets arranged how they want.

What was this quote about then?  It was said in relation to updating tickets with more information pushes them to the bottom of the list which seems counter intuitive.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on December 03, 2010, 01:56:04 pm
Quote from: GM Haine
Staff with ticket access has the ability to have tickets arranged how they want.

What was this quote about then?  It was said in relation to updating tickets with more information pushes them to the bottom of the list which seems counter intuitive.
Quote from: GM Farnsworth
Each of these categories, stick in their categories, so they don't mix up (like haine stated, we have options to change this, we can just moosh them all together, but that's hectic as fuck and annoying, and I doubt any staff member does it).
You misunderstood. They meant you can arrange the categories how you want, but regardless of how you sort them whatever category you arrange the new ones always get bumped to the bottom.
Make sense? I sure hope so.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 03, 2010, 10:11:15 pm
I thought I made it clear what I meant in this thread so I'm pretty sure that response was about ticket order and not categories they are in.

http://www.animusro.com/forums/index.php/topic,102664.0.html
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Malique on December 03, 2010, 10:57:07 pm
Quote from: GM Haine
Staff with ticket access has the ability to have tickets arranged how they want.

What was this quote about then?  It was said in relation to updating tickets with more information pushes them to the bottom of the list which seems counter intuitive.

Staff members would choose to do that in order to make their individual ticket answering much easier and less stressful. It also helps to get more work done.

The ones that take the least amount of work can be resolved easily; The ones that require investigation/information/proof/etc are lumped into separate categories so they can be addressed and/or forwarded without impeding the easier ones. No one should have to wait on their ticket because the jerk ahead of them continues to bump their ticket with stupidity, such as bribery.

There are a large number of tickets, so the line needs to keep moving to get through them all, or at least make some progress with them. If Staff only focused on the order they came until its resolved, that makes things even slower. One ticket could take quite a bit to resolve, due to many factors, and may need High Staff intervention. That one ticket could get in the way of 10 or more smaller tickets that could be wrapped up in mere minutes. Awaiting player responses to some of those troublesome tickets would make that process even slower, which no one wants.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 05, 2010, 12:40:49 pm
I understand that but what I was asking about is that tickets get moved to the bottom if you update them with any other information after originally creating them.  When I mention this didn't make since since more information could help the staff with ticket answering faster I got the reply of

Quote from: GM Haine
Staff with ticket access has the ability to have tickets arranged how they want.


That is what led to this question.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Schrodinger on December 05, 2010, 03:02:37 pm
You really have no idea how few people ever update a ticket with even a BIT of useful information.  99% of ticket bumps, are "when dis be answered" "gm's it's been 4 hrs, y no reply" "fix plz" "giev back items" "unban" "you guiz are stoopid" "Hello?" "where you guyz go" "Can I donate to make this faster?" "I donate a lot, you guys should be working on my ticket" "you guiz are out to get me, I know it" "I r awesome player, you gm's are just jealous".

You might think I'm exaggerating, but I've seen EVERY one of those replies in tickets being spammed.

Haine said we can arrange them how we want, I explained how we can arrange them, Nathan even echoed it.  What I said is how we can arrange them.  We can keep em in their categories, or moosh them together, and it looks confusing, and awful, and unorganized.  We have options to change it to "From" "Category" or "Subject".  Doesn't matter how it's viewed, tickets will ALWAYS be bumped to the bottom.  We have it default set to categories to keep it clean, so we can do work.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on December 05, 2010, 03:44:01 pm
You really have no idea how few people ever update a ticket with even a BIT of useful information.  99% of ticket bumps, are "when dis be answered" "gm's it's been 4 hrs, y no reply" "fix plz" "giev back items" "unban" "you guiz are stoopid" "Hello?" "where you guyz go" "Can I donate to make this faster?" "I donate a lot, you guys should be working on my ticket" "you guiz are out to get me, I know it" "I r awesome player, you gm's are just jealous".

You might think I'm exaggerating, but I've seen EVERY one of those replies in tickets being spammed.

Haine said we can arrange them how we want, I explained how we can arrange them, Nathan even echoed it.  What I said is how we can arrange them.  We can keep em in their categories, or moosh them together, and it looks confusing, and awful, and unorganized.  We have options to change it to "From" "Category" or "Subject".  Doesn't matter how it's viewed, tickets will ALWAYS be bumped to the bottom.  We have it default set to categories to keep it clean, so we can do work.
I think he took it as the organizing countered the bumping to the bottom bit. Maybe we should of explained it like this.
Tickets 1,2,3,4,5
Categories A,B,C,D,E
A1.
A2.
A3.
A4.
A5.
B1.
B2.
B3.
B4.
B5.
etc etc for all the letters.
Then B1,B3 and A2 and A4 decide to spam their tickets and they end up in this order
A1.
A3.
A5.
A2.
A4.
B2.
B4.
B5.
B1.
B3.
When tickets are "bumped they are shot to the bottom of their respective category regardless of organization. If it is all mooshed together it is just put below everything basically the exact way GM Farnsworth explained, w/o the letters.
Hopefully this helps. Also Farns Request to sticky some of this info in the guide to support tickets? It really deserves a place their imo.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 05, 2010, 07:09:28 pm
You really have no idea how few people ever update a ticket with even a BIT of useful information.  99% of ticket bumps, are "when dis be answered" "gm's it's been 4 hrs, y no reply" "fix plz" "giev back items" "unban" "you guiz are stoopid" "Hello?" "where you guyz go" "Can I donate to make this faster?" "I donate a lot, you guys should be working on my ticket" "you guiz are out to get me, I know it" "I r awesome player, you gm's are just jealous".

You might think I'm exaggerating, but I've seen EVERY one of those replies in tickets being spammed.

Haine said we can arrange them how we want, I explained how we can arrange them, Nathan even echoed it.  What I said is how we can arrange them.  We can keep em in their categories, or moosh them together, and it looks confusing, and awful, and unorganized.  We have options to change it to "From" "Category" or "Subject".  Doesn't matter how it's viewed, tickets will ALWAYS be bumped to the bottom.  We have it default set to categories to keep it clean, so we can do work.


So because most of the replies are use waste of space, you have it set that way reguardless on whether the reply will be useless or helpful to the ticket.  Why not just have replying in ticket not effect order at all?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Schrodinger on December 06, 2010, 01:30:13 am
Because it'd be messy and confusing, and this is a better system so we can cycle through tickets quicker (and therefore answer more).  If we did it that way, any tickets that get bumped would push the person who made a ticket after, down the list, which would be unfair to them.  Hell, it's unfair to ANYONE that by bumping multiple times should somehow make it so we end up working on your ticket first.  Or worse, EVERYONE would bump their tickets all the time, and we'd end up locking a lot of tickets (yes, we WILL lock a ticket if someone spams it repeatedly after warning them.)

This is a system made to reward those players who supply all the info that we need for a case, and to punish those who are impatient.  It encourages players to make sure ALL info they can possibly think of is in a ticket, when they know if they don't, their ticket will only end up taking longer.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 06, 2010, 06:09:13 am
I said replying has no effect in order.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Schrodinger on December 06, 2010, 12:29:57 pm
replying will ALWAYS have an effect in the order of the tickets, if they didn't, we'd need something to tell us whether or not the ticket was waiting for reply from a player or a GM, and with your way, ALL the tickets of past players who haven't responded in years would be in our huge list of tickets, it'd make our current list of tickets jump by thousands, most of which would then consist of tickets that some players obviously have no plans on ever continuing.

And then what happens with the closed tickets that a player re-opens, where does IT go  in your list that never is effected by order?

I'm done replying to this, you got your answer, and like with every other topic you make, you're gonna beat it like a dead horse.  The ticket system isn't changing, it's completely fine, if a player doesn't want their ticket to take a while, don't submit a halfass report, submit a report with all the possible info we'll need.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 06, 2010, 12:39:04 pm
Of course tickets would still disappear from GM view if your waiting for player response but why should order be effected by replies?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on December 06, 2010, 01:44:29 pm
Of course tickets would still disappear from GM view if your waiting for player response but why should order be effected by replies?
wow..your that dense huh? Amazing.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Linmakana on December 06, 2010, 01:47:02 pm
You wield the banhammer, Schro?

I'm pretty sure GM aggravation is a form of disrespect.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on December 06, 2010, 01:59:11 pm
You wield the banhammer, Schro?

I'm pretty sure GM aggravation is a form of disrespect.
LOL, I am pretty sure most GMs are told you can't ban people that annoy you. But man if I had that hammer secretly /gg
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 06, 2010, 02:51:58 pm
Of course tickets would still disappear from GM view if your waiting for player response but why should order be effected by replies?
wow..your that dense huh? Amazing.

Don't really know what that comment was in reference to.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Kiba on December 06, 2010, 03:11:16 pm
Well. It's always the same thing with his threads. @_@
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: The Mystic on December 06, 2010, 03:12:42 pm
Of course tickets would still disappear from GM view if your waiting for player response but why should order be effected by replies?
wow..your that dense huh? Amazing.

Don't really know what that comment was in reference to.
Just proved it 8D anyways I am done with this thread. Time to let it sink like a rock~
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 06, 2010, 03:14:22 pm
I'm not sure why people give response that dodge the question and don't actually answer it and then think I'm the one being hard headed because I'm looking for the answer to the question I asked and not the question they invented to answer.  It's a simple question and yet I get every answer except to the question I asked.

1)   There are no down sides at all to have replying in topics not effect order and there are even benefits, why not do it?  If you think there is a down side actually give one and not a made up reason that won't even cause any problem at all.

2)  A GM said they don't follow ticket order when looking through ticket so what order do they follow?  Yes I know there are categories and all and that you skip complicated tickets but there has to be some systematic order that took you to that ticket before you decided to do it or skip it.  What is it?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Kiba on December 06, 2010, 03:23:46 pm
What's the fucking point in this thread? You keep arguing on, even though they've answered your questions.


Why did you even make this thread? What are you trying to get out of it?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 06, 2010, 03:26:05 pm
An answer to my question.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Kiba on December 06, 2010, 03:28:09 pm
An answer to my question.

I mean, what are you going to do with this information?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 06, 2010, 03:32:32 pm
 On 1)  Would let me understand why something that is only advantageous for the server was rejected.

 On 2)On any future tickets it will tell me if I should update the ticket with any other useful information that comes to mind later on or just leave it out if it means starting over in line again to get a response to the ticket.  
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: SukiChii on December 06, 2010, 04:10:37 pm
Didn't Haine and former Schro answered this?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 06, 2010, 04:48:42 pm
They talked about about the support ticket system but didn't answer this.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Schrodinger on December 06, 2010, 08:02:52 pm
At one point I made a post outlining what happens with tickets, but I suppose I'll post again to try and let people realize how tickets are set.

Obviously, they're separated into categories when you make said tickets

No category - Obv
Tech - Technical Issue
Lost - Lost items/gear/accounts
Report - Reports on whatever, players, bots, etc
Donate - Donation issues
Marry - Marriage/adoption/divorce
Spend - Spend Credits.

Each of these categories, stick in their categories, so they don't mix up (like haine stated, we have options to change this, we can just moosh them all together, but that's hectic as fuck and annoying, and I doubt any staff member does it).

How tickets work with replies is this.

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.

Let's assume those are all tickets, numbered in the order they were submitted, so 1 was submitted, and then 2, etc.

Meaning when we open our list, 1 is at the top, and is the one that the GM doing tickets will check first, let's say for instance, that this is say, a scam ticket or lost category, and I'm the GM doing tickets at the moment.

I read the ticket, check if there's any info missing (did the player ACTUALLY lose the item, did they misplace it, are they an idiot and sold it to an npc).  Now, let's say the ticket merely states...

"Halp, lost my gr armor, dunno where it is, hope nobody stole it"

I check the item logs for the character they stated with the ticket, but the kaho doesn't come up in the item logs at all.

"Sorry, the item you're looking for isn't coming up in the item logs, do you have any other characters it would have been kept on, and does anyone besides you have access to your accounts?"

Now, when they reply, the ticket order changes, it's now:

2.
3.
4.
5.
1.

Time passes, and let's say... another GM has answered something for 2., so it's now:

3.
4.
5.
1.
2.

But let's say... 4 is an impatient brat, and is spamming his ticket.

3.
5.
1.
2.
4.

Congrats 4, you're an idiot and you keep pushing your ticket to the bottom.

As to GM's "not following list order" it's pretty stupid to think we don't.  But I personally don't have ungodly jurisdiction, so there's only so much I can do for certain tickets, same for Zidane, or Ryouki, sometimes tickets will just reach a point where we can't make those calls, at which point, it becomes an issue only Haine, or maybe Tesla could answer, and Haine is certainly one of the busiest GM's with all the work she does.  In the end, I will skip to an issue I can resolve, or push in the right direction, and work like that.

Bumping your ticket really just seeks to enrage us, because we're working as much as we can, on as many tickets as we can, it's hard to keep track of all of them, and checking a ticket to find "Hay gm, y you lazy" "Hay gm, update plz" "Hay GM, if I donate will this make ticket go faster", does nothing to help, and really only insults us, (especially trying to bribe us with donations, in fact I just locked a ticket recently because someone was spamming the ticket and trying to get us to hurry up by saying he would donate).

My "systematic order" to choosing what tickets I deal with?  I click open a bunch of tickets in new tabs, going straight down, and go through them, from top to bottom, if I can answer it, I answer it, if I can't, I skip it.  It's an amazingly complicated, and long thought out process, handed down to us by the gods themselves, I call it common sense.

You want a downside to letting bumping effect ticket order?  EVERYONE IS GOING TO BUMP THEIR TICKETS, IT'S GONNA BE A MESS.

If we go with your other dumb idea of "tickets stay in the order submitted" then it becomes this:

1
2
3
4
5

we reply to 1, so with your logic, that while waiting for a player reply, it's hidden from GM's, then the ticket order becomes

2
3
4
5

then 1 gets a reply, and like I said earlier, it then pushes 2,3,4, and 5 down, because it'd become

1
2
3
4
5

Player 5 might end up waiting FOREVER to get a ticket answered, because we were dealing with tickets 1-4.

The way we have it now, like I'VE SAID A LOT IN THIS TOPIC, is the best way for us to answer multiple tickets as quick as possible, because we cycle through them like a circle.

You wield the banhammer, Schro?

I'm pretty sure GM aggravation is a form of disrespect.

Topics like this are why I DON'T have a banhammer.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: SukiChii on December 06, 2010, 08:28:54 pm
/pat
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Kiba on December 06, 2010, 08:31:34 pm
Angry germans! This is why no one likes them! Shoo, Schro. Shoooo!
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Schrodinger on December 06, 2010, 08:37:20 pm
Angry germans! This is why no one likes them! Shoo, Schro. Shoooo!

I'm not an angry german, I'm an arrogant american, get the slang right  >:(
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Kiba on December 06, 2010, 08:39:06 pm
Same shit, different countries. ;(
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 07, 2010, 07:41:30 am
1)The way it is done now, do you often get to go through the entire list or if not, what percentage of the list do you normally make it through?  Like how often do you finish through the list.  

2)Also, I can see what you mean by five not getting as much attention but as a whole wouldn't tickets be answered faster.  I know ideally people should put up all the information they have but if they forgot something their less inclined to provide it when they know they move to the bottom of this list.  It may actually be the reason why most bumps you say you get are just spam and not people providing something useful.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: SukiChii on December 07, 2010, 07:44:18 am
Dude, really?
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 11, 2010, 03:11:48 pm
You've answered my main questions.  Thank you for your time.  If you can, can you answer my last two ones.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Fidelis on December 12, 2010, 01:18:00 pm
Same shit, different countries. ;(
Hey, got a problem with Germans? Come here and I'll show you your problem.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Novice Tenchi on December 13, 2010, 01:02:56 am
1)The way it is done now, do you often get to go through the entire list or if not, what percentage of the list do you normally make it through?  Like how often do you finish through the list.  

2)Also, I can see what you mean by five not getting as much attention but as a whole wouldn't tickets be answered faster.  I know ideally people should put up all the information they have but if they forgot something their less inclined to provide it when they know they move to the bottom of this list.  It may actually be the reason why most bumps you say you get are just spam and not people providing something useful.

1. It depends on how much time they spend looking at the tickets and how many there are.

2. If they didn't provide enough information and the GM needs more it'll be sent back to the bottom of the list anyway, so what's the point in not putting the information needed rather than waiting a longer time. (I.E. Getting bumped down by the GM and having to wait AGAIN because you're at the bottom for the second time.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Kiba on December 13, 2010, 01:17:32 am
Same shit, different countries.
Hey, got a problem with Germans? Come here and I'll show you your problem.

Wanna fight? I'll fuck you up. ;(


Bitch.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Onyria on December 13, 2010, 04:09:58 am
Don't complaining about tickets wait time... My husband waiting since feb 2009 for a ticket... and no, the problem is not resolved. /heh
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: exDragon on December 13, 2010, 08:21:29 am
!) I was asking mostly for what usually happens on average.

2)  There probably is a middle ground of enough information to answer the ticket but if there was more it could have taken less of the GMs time.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Fidelis on December 13, 2010, 11:49:10 am
Wanna fight? I'll fuck you up. ;(


Bitch.
Tomorrow. Midnight. On the graveyard. So that they won't have to carry you so far afterwards.


Wear something nice.
Title: Re: Which is true?
Post by: Onyria on December 13, 2010, 12:37:25 pm
!) I was asking mostly for what usually happens on average.

2)  There probably is a middle ground of enough information to answer the ticket but if there was more it could have taken less of the GMs time.

It was a lost item and it was a event item so, he can't re-buy it... ç_ç
Which type of information they need to fix the problem?