Crit Maximum at 95 - is it just a myth?

[redhairweasel]

lol...I modified instead of new post...sorry

lol you failed razer.
In this thread...no one need to be informed by me to know you being an arse here.
And I don't have the intention to flame/bait you at all.

But it all started with your lame statement.
Quote from: Razer on Yesterday at 01:06:56 AM
More like 95-100% actually . I ve been playing Ro since Beta Tongue I know my mechanics well .

And razer, I think you are the guy that hardly accept someone else opinion.
Just like our previous discussion/argument about the Bathory and Pierce...
where you were saying that you know everything because you play a lot more but then you were wrong at the end.
And do I troll you everytime you post? Nop

And as I said again razer...why the heck I wanna test with Kitchen Knife where I can test easier with Katar? Jeez

[Razer]

Well apparently you failed in your test or lacked patience.

lol you failed razer.
In this thread...no one need to be informed by me to know you being an arse here.
And I don't have the intention to flame/bait you at all.

But it all started with your lame statement.

More like 95-100% actually . I ve been playing Ro since Beta I know my mechanics well .

And razer, I think you are the guy that hardly accept someone else opinion.
Just like our previous discussion/argument about the Bathory and Pierce...
where you were saying that you know everything because you play a lot more but then you were wrong at the end.
And do I troll you everytime you post? Nop

And as I said again razer...why the heck I wanna test with Kitchen Knife where I can test easier with Katar? Jeez

Now that you have questioned my dedication in this here you go:

Actually Weasel was better off with his test (however he did it)
Just for the sake here is my test on this monster:

http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=mob_db&mob_name=blue+plant&f=1&mob_search=Search

0 luk/0 vit monster. Tested it on Red-green-yellow and blue - Shining have 90 luk so were not a part of my test.

I did around 150 hits with 100CRit which was reachable by 1 Kitchen Knife and gloria. (Kitchen Knife not poison knife - Read properly before you tell me to read properly)



3 out of 150 hits did not go Crit - Here is a SS on a 0 luk/0 every other stat monster.The earlier hit was a crit - see the yellow circle for the non crit - It was hard to cap these.


This was a "BLUE" plant.
Conclusion : I dont know about the exact number but a cap does exist. 95% seems more possible since its too good and highly probable that you crit stuff to death without white damages for a while but if I can get a white damage at 100 Crit on a no luck monster(No Crit shield) that means some cap is there.

/Thread
*Goes to forge a weapon* >_>

I am sorry dude you should have seen the latter part of my post before posting your Ego run. Good luck with your foot in the mouth.

[redhairweasel]

Nice test but

The critical rate being displayed in the status window isn't the true value which is applied against monsters. The "status crit" is calculated by dividing current LUK by 3 and adding the crit bonuses from equips/cards. The real crit rate is a little different. Formula : LUK*0.3 + bonuses.

If you don't know what that means...lemme explain it to you.
Status screen shows 1 luk=0.33 crit
While actual crit is 1 luk=0.3 crit

In your case
Status 99+47 = 48.51
Actual 99+47 = 44.1 (4.41 difference)
So your actual Crit is not 100 but 96.

Get it?

I am sorry dude you should have seen the latter part of my post before posting your Ego run. Good luck with your foot in the mouth.

You mean your foot in your mouth?

[balam]

someone's about to getting owned on his believes, Ill test it later on my sinx with a katar kobold deathloops+gryphs


Edit:
its like saying defense has a cap cause defense says 100 and we get too much damage Q.Q
lol he left to forge a weap as I said ;3
S> Ori 40k ea

[doxugen]

Guys, seriously, there has been more than enough disrespect going on in here. If there's no relevance to the OP, then please keep your remarks to yourself. Let's try to keep it a constructive environment here, okay?

Thanks.

[Razer]

Sorry Doxus. I lost my cool - I ve been trying hard to be polite. But at some point a person loses it.

@Weasel

Yes , it seems I failed to factor that difference of luk in crit and as to that to my test was inadequate. Fine, although I am done this thread so feel free to post that the 95% thing is a myth.
I never intended to say that since I ve been playing since beta " I know more" - I just said ". I knew the difference between hits flying at 70-80% and hits flying at 95%". I did not need an example to be taught that.


@Balam
Me and Weasel have never been at good terms(started around the time I joined Loyalty) so I dont really take his insults seriously - I just use the "Report to mod" button.

But in your case - you were a person whom I considered my friend - now to see those 2 horridly disrespecting remarks I ll have to re think my own beliefs yes. I did get owned by my own beliefs - I believed you were my friend - I believed wrong. May our paths never cross again for the good.

[redhairweasel]

someone's about to getting owned on his believes, Ill test it later on my sinx with a katar kobold deathloops+gryphs


Edit:
its like saying defense has a cap cause defense says 100 and we get too much damage Q.Q
lol he left to forge a weap as I said ;3
S> Ori 40k ea

Maybe you can get 100~101(just to be safe) actual crit and do 10~30 min test on that plant.
Well...as I said before...it doesn't matter even if it 150 crit...if there's a cap...you'll see non crit damage(where my test didn't).
So you don't have to trouble yourself to adjust luk to get 100~101.

@razer
Yeah we did have argument on some cases but it's not like I have any grudge on you. And I don't think my post can considered as insult lol...so maybe you can just "ignore" me or try not to read my post too negative. Chill.

[balam]

you used to be cool but seems that youre too "Elite" now, I rarely see you ingame to so dont worry our paths wont cross xD


@topic might really be a myth, Ill get over 100 crit on hunter then
yup it would be easier to prove the myth true unless you frap the whole thing getting all crits while poking plants


there were no insult except me saying ass and the go forge which was a lame come back btw xD

[Razer]

you used to be cool but seems that youre too "Elite" now, I rarely see you ingame to so dont worry our paths wont cross xD

I am not "Elite" - I have no idea why you randomly attacked me. The only way I am an Elite is because I am a member of the guild "Mark of the Elite" for which I havent warred for in the past whole week.

You know I could have stooped that low and made under the belt insults too .
There are certain ingame habits that you have too - you know.

[Aozora]

You can get 100 CRIT rate, however that does not mean that you will crit 100% of the time or even that you will hit 100% of the time.

The 95% myth most likely has truth to it. Monsters have a crit shield, as with players each 5 points in monster LUK reduces your CRIT chance by 1%. Now assuming that CRIT is capped at 100, you will most likely never reach a true 100% crit chance regardless of what your stats say. With players perfect dodge comes into play as well, since P.Dodge is factored in before crits, thus even with a 100% crit chance a player can still P.Dodge your crit.

Other possibility is a similar system that flee has, flee is indeed capped at 95% in a way. Even if you have 10000 flee and you're facing a poring it will still hit you 5% of the time. No matter oyur flee the monster will always have a 5% chance of hitting you. I have no clue why it is there but there is a possibility that Crit has a similar system, no matter how high your crit is a monster will always have a 5% crit shield against it.

[redhairweasel]

Juts like everyone else...we all assumed that Crit have similar system like Flee but the until now...we didn't realized that there's nothing in Google to proof our believed.
So the only thing we can do here is to get more people with over +130 crit(just to be safe lol ;P) and start hitting low luk monster.
It's easier to do the testing on pvm with P.Dodge is out of question.

About the P.Dodge thing...it's count as P.Dodge...not Miss or Non crit. Example...
Let assumed that there's no crit cap at 95...
so even if that PD guy have 50 P.Dodge and critter guy have 9000 crit...he'll hit 50/100 and all the hit is all crit. So it's still 100% crit.

[Star Star]

....you cannot have more than 95% dodge rate against anything in the game, however this does not ring true inside WoE Maps, as players can have 100% dodge rate in these maps.
.....

I think I need to correct my last sentence.. I believe, while 95% crit rate is true in pvm situations, in WoE and PvP maps, 95% crit rate is a myth.. D:

Edit: If it is me that cause the flaming, I'm sorry! ><

[nick_182]

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