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Will new cards be nerfed?

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Will new cards be nerfed?
« on: September 18, 2009, 12:44:07 am »
I have an empty evang and am considering making it a tripple drops evang so that i can wear two kiel cards for better support. I think this is a good tradeoff. However, I don't want to if Kiel will be nerfed for HP class. (it would be better to just get white lady)

Does anybody think they will be nerfed? And also, will it be class specific? I think this card opens doors for HP support builds, but may make a certain class super powerful. I hope if it is nerfed it will be for the best. Any GM input?
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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2009, 01:25:58 am »
     They already nerfed it by giving -3 DEX points penalty and 5% less from the original 30% reduce cast cooldown buff. I don't think they'll nerf it twice in a row.
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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2009, 01:31:40 am »
     They already nerfed it by giving -3 DEX points penalty and 5% less from the original 30% reduce cast cooldown buff. I don't think they'll nerf it twice in a row.
mm good.

I would have to unslot my valkyrie helmet = 9ads card =25 ads and if it gets nerfed it would cost 13 ads to unslot evang again. Needless to say, a lot of money is on the line if I decide to do this. T_________T

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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 01:38:13 am »
Talis said on 1 topic that they tried out -15% (with of course the -3 dex they give each) then tried out -20% said wasn't hardly any difference with 2 then tried -25% with 2 and said its just about right so guessing with Kiel card they tested out to the point it wouldn't be nerfed any time soon or given time.
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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 01:43:46 am »
Talis said on 1 topic that they tried out -15% (with of course the -3 dex they give each) then tried out -20% said wasn't hardly any difference with 2 then tried -25% with 2 and said its just about right so guessing with Kiel card they tested out to the point it wouldn't be nerfed any time soon or given time.
When those cards were initially discussed, i heard kiel would be -15%cooldown (and -3dex) instead of -30%.
i was pleasantly surprised to see them come out at -25% instead! ^_^

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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 02:37:25 am »
Talis said on 1 topic that they tried out -15% (with of course the -3 dex they give each) then tried out -20% said wasn't hardly any difference with 2 then tried -25% with 2 and said its just about right so guessing with Kiel card they tested out to the point it wouldn't be nerfed any time soon or given time.
When those cards were initially discussed, i heard kiel would be -15%cooldown (and -3dex) instead of -30%.
i was pleasantly surprised to see them come out at -25% instead! ^_^

Haha, thank you!

Our belief is to try and make new cards retain their usefulness while not being overpowered. In general, I do not mind if a card adds a new layer of strategy to the game ( which no doubt any good card will do ), as long as it is not so overpowered that it destroy several other layers of strategy. ( As in, I do not really want to add any .. one card to rule them all kind of thing. )

So in the end, we wanted to make Kiel card appealing and nice to use, but not overpowered.

In the end, our testing concluded:
HP benefits from it mostly in PvM, and PvM is not really that much of a issue. You can buff/heal people faster which is only good, but priests AoE spells mostly do damage/heal in waves, so even stacking them ontop of each other does not give a big advantage. It is good to cover a wider area in niff, or with sancts, and it is good to squeeze out more heals, frost novas, cold bolts and so forth, but that should definitely not make this class broken. Especially since it is assumed that with the introduction of the Hwiz card, GTB might come more into favor again which would make buffing / healing guild members difficult.

Thus, I conclude that Kiel is absolutely not broken on HP and, with a high probability I can say that it will not be nerfed.

Now, please keep in mind, I can't promise you, or give you a 100% that it won't be changed as you know,
abusable techniques or something or another might always come up, but it does seem rather unlikely.
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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2009, 04:11:03 am »
Thus, I conclude that Kiel is absolutely not broken on HP and, with a high probability I can say that it will not be nerfed.
Thank you for answering my question Mr. Talis!

I like that the kiel lets me use buffs/debuffs faster, such as Lex Aeternia, kyrie etc. Resu lvl 4 has horrendous spell delay too (for pvp) I would rather have support ability from kiel more than offensive power of HW. I do not even hotkey magic crasher, cold bolt or holy light. :p

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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2009, 04:21:08 am »
It will be a fast GJ eater. The classes that gain maximum advantage out of this are Sinx,Lks,Clowns-Gypsies and Snipers.
For one they dont rely on IC so sacrificing that main headgear for 2 Kiels wont be much of an issue.

Also does Kiel stack with Braggi ? If It does it would be a sure Riot in war.
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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2009, 04:27:51 am »
good job GMs /no1 I already see a few happy customers with their kiel card.
I will be getting that card for my high priest also. Waiting for lex aterna sure is a pain in the back.

It will be a fast GJ eater. The classes that gain maximum advantage out of this are Sinx,Lks,Clowns-Gypsies and Snipers.
For one they dont rely on IC so sacrificing that main headgear for 2 Kiels wont be much of an issue.

Also does Kiel stack with Braggi ? If It does it be a sure Riot in war.
oh man... Clown/Gypsy+Kiel Card sounds scary. >.>

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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2009, 07:34:26 am »
If you use 3 drops in your evag, will will have to put up with the delay caused by having a slow attack speed.
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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2009, 11:20:01 am »
If you use 3 drops in your evag, will will have to put up with the delay caused by having a slow attack speed.
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why 3 drops when you can get IC already? (might be losing out on this animation delay--even though you "never" use those offensive spells, they'd still help on the others)
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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2009, 01:37:49 pm »
Also does Kiel stack with Braggi ? If It does it would be a sure Riot in war.

they stack, me and some people tested on pvp this morning
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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2009, 02:35:51 pm »
i would Keep the Evang as it is 1 dex each card isnt worth it if your going to use 2 kiels your gonna have -6 dex @_@
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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2009, 02:38:02 pm »
i would Keep the Evang as it is 1 dex each card isnt worth it if your going to use 2 kiels your gonna have -6 dex @_@

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Re: Will new cards be nerfed?
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2009, 03:42:06 pm »
i would Keep the Evang as it is 1 dex each card isnt worth it if your going to use 2 kiels your gonna have -6 dex @_@

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Just another reason to just get only get 1 Kiel in your Case Emi  :P

I just hope Kiel isnt gonna make Bio's Casting and Champs etc broken. i would think -5 dex from kiel much more like it  :P
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