Have a question about sqi's.

[Seth]

I just would like to know a bit more about Suiken and perhaps Twin Fang.
Now what would be a all around good carded Suiken for mvping,pvm?if that is at all possible.
And does the suik effect Asura and FO at all?Such as raise dmge or not?
The other one is the Twin Fang even though this seem to be more of a pvp wep wich i maybe wrong,but this is why i am asking.
Can TF be good for obviously soloing pvm as well as pvp?if so what cards would you use for both?
Any suggestions or input would be sweet
Thank You

[Yuyuko]

Information about Suiken
For Asura Strike, Suiken only benefits it via the stats that come with the weapon (+30 STR and +20 INT). Since Asura is forced neutral, it does not change elements ever.
As for Finger Offensive, the Suiken benefits it greatly.The stat upgrade will boost the damage and FO will turn into Water-Elemental.

As for Twin Fang, it is more geared towards PVP. But I suppose that most people prefer to play 2x Daggers since it has a greater versatility with card combinations.

[Seth]

Ok so for suiken wich set of cards would be best for pve,pvm,mvp?
Like TTS,TTT,TSS,so on,oh and would it be a waste should i want a doppel perhaps down the line in that wep?
Supose that would maybe have more to do with combo right? a Doppel in there?
I just wanted to get some input before i even think about buying one.
So thank you for all you're input.

[ozg82889]

TTH is the standard and almost all suikens are carded that way. the thing with combos is that you dont want a high attack speed as it decreases the time available for performing the combos. what you can do is keep it as TTH and stat some agi and use a speed pot and that would get you around 180. so dopple isn't really needed andgiving up a H or T really lowers the damage

[levin]

actually TF stand out in WoE not really pvp.

TF is usually carded DDT or DTT (though the latter is preferred, especially if you have a valk helm)

pvm wise for TF, some would say that dagger may be better. thought i wouldn't say TF is no good on pvm.

[Razer]

Ok so for suiken wich set of cards would be best for pve,pvm,mvp?
Like TTS,TTT,TSS,so on,oh and would it be a waste should i want a doppel perhaps down the line in that wep?
Supose that would maybe have more to do with combo right? a Doppel in there?
I just wanted to get some input before i even think about buying one.
So thank you for all you're input.

If you are into pure MVPing get a T[Abyss Knight ][Abyss Knight Suiken]
For General PVM and PVE = A TTT Suiken
For including war and PVP factor TTH (MVP factor becomes weak unless you are targetting Demi human mvps)

actually TF stand out in WoE not really pvp.

You have really not seen times where one single TF equipped sinx wipes out entire rooms of well geared people with link+random endow using EDP+Sonic Blow.TF is equally deadly inside PVP. But yea for duelling and fair PVP(if it exists) daggers > TF. If you are having a KS war or ganging or just clearing - you'd run a link - put a random element (inside Stadium map) and start 1 shotting people in PVP. I'd say its the best link property anyone could ask for.

[exDragon]

Daggers are just so much better then Twin fang in PvM since you can not only do more damage with them, you can attack monster with elements that makes them hard to hit, though you'd probably want a DDPP main guache + 10 in addition the the DDPT MG + 10 you use if you want to be able to really damage MVPs that have a super flee mode during their super flee mode.  In PvP, Twin fang is like specialty tool to be used with daggers, not a stand alone weapon.   You will still need daggers for the different swaps needed in PvP.  In WoE, twin fang is just awesome since you can get an endow and don't have to worry about people trying to directly counter you and you alone.  Get a DTT twin fang if you do decide to get one.

Another note, triple Abyss Knight is stronger on MVPs then double Abyss Knight and Turtle General since there the same modifier, however your do less damage to normal monsters or guardians.

edit:  If you want a more versatile dagger, you can get a DDPS MG +10 or DDP gladius + 10 (depending on which one you prefer) since it will boost your soul destroyer damage.


A TTT suiken does 4.76% less damage then a TTH suiken on demi-humans so for versatility I would get a TTT suiken.  If you make a second one, then i would get a TTH suiken.

[Seth]

Well Thank You All
XD for all that wonderful info,i do however have 1 more question on suiken.
Does the Knowledge of tripple work like the arty?Knowledge of DS?
Just would like to know if it works the same way so that you only take it to lvl 9?
Thank You

[exDragon]

If you have level 10 triple blow, you get the proc rate bonus. If not, you don't get the bonus.  That skill requirement only effects that one bonus.

[Seth]

Ok Thanks Much