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Title: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: tsukaza13 on June 12, 2010, 09:28:02 am

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Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: GoddessDigi on June 12, 2010, 09:29:50 am

Yes.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: balam on June 12, 2010, 09:33:06 am

got support ticket pending about it, cause if its legal I wanna do it too

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Xia Xue on June 12, 2010, 09:35:38 am

BG??

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: DreamerP on June 12, 2010, 09:38:27 am

Battlegrounds

It's more like a bug exploit O-o;

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Xia Xue on June 12, 2010, 09:39:41 am

ohh ok :p

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Haine on June 12, 2010, 09:42:58 am

Yes, it is illegal. We thought it would be obvious, but I guess not for those who have been doing it. Anyone caught will have all their badges removed and will receive a warning.

Spread the word! /wow

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: DreamerP on June 12, 2010, 09:49:44 am

Quote from: GM Haine on June 12, 2010, 09:42:58 am

Yes, it is illegal. We thought it would be obvious, but I guess not for those who have been doing it. Anyone caught will have all their badges removed and will receive a warning.

Spread the word! /wow

Haine you should know by now if it's not in Announcements it's not important :police:

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: balam on June 12, 2010, 09:53:19 am

yeah like banning errende but those who used it should had known why...

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: tsukaza13 on June 12, 2010, 10:08:32 am

Thanks.

RECRUITING FOR BG GET YOUR ASSES TO PRONT :<

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Schrodinger on June 12, 2010, 03:24:00 pm

Quote from: balam on June 12, 2010, 09:53:19 am

yeah like banning errende but those who used it should had known why...

This one was really more of a "oh shit, this can be abused ridiculously, and a player could abuse it without even realizing they were going to do it." so we did a quick fix.  Not to mention it's temporary.

Abusing BG, SHOULD have been just common friggen sense to not abuse, but apparently some people skipped the class on how not to blatantly abuse glitches.  Especially since BG's makes a global announcement every time it starts.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Kirasa on June 12, 2010, 03:34:08 pm

Probably worth an edit to the General Rules to add in a Battlegrounds section, just so it's clear?

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: balam on June 12, 2010, 03:42:16 pm

Quote from: GM Schrodinger on June 12, 2010, 03:24:00 pm

Quote from: balam on June 12, 2010, 09:53:19 am

yeah like banning errende but those who used it should had known why...

This one was really more of a "oh shit, this can be abused ridiculously, and a player could abuse it without even realizing they were going to do it." so we did a quick fix.  Not to mention it's temporary.

well you didnt unequip them from people cause I saw a knight in pvp casting pneuma today

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Haine on June 12, 2010, 03:43:44 pm

Pretty sure they had just set it so that it doesn't work in WoE.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: balam on June 12, 2010, 03:45:50 pm

oh ok /no1

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Valash_Vrayr on June 12, 2010, 04:03:45 pm

Personally I think the whole BG alt stuff is crap.

From my perspective, I just spent 3 hours looking for a 'single' person to group up with in Thors. (Still didn't find anyone, ending up logging off again as usual.)

I went to every single town, dungeon, and PvP map shouting for a recruit.

Now you are implying that 20 people would and should be willing to join on a daily basis for BG? Let alone... even just one willing person..?

I've even seen PR's try to recruit over global announcements and still failed to get something going.

With that being said, just how do you expect people to obtain these things in a timely manner?

I'd rather promote it for this certain aspect, just so some newbies can client the shit out of it for at least a mediocre set to join WoE or something with. Which is really what everyone wants anyway is it not? More participants for WoE? It isn't like anyone with those gear sets + weapons are just suddenly going to out shine those with the actual top tier billion zeny gears + sqi's.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Raruri on June 12, 2010, 04:12:49 pm

The gears aren't that great compared to what we can already easily obtain on this server.
The armors are nice, and the weapons are decent PvP alternatives, but not so great that they'd really stand out.

I say we just go with...MAS(?)'s suggestion and cut the requirement from 10 people per team to 5.
That oughtta make BGs more lively, and easier for people to get the rewards legitimately.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Bagel-kun on June 13, 2010, 01:19:14 am

Perhaps having two different NPC's one with 5 as a requirement and another with 10?

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Valash_Vrayr on June 13, 2010, 02:00:08 am

What would be the point of that? So both are neglected? ._.;

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: DeePee on June 13, 2010, 03:17:38 am

The thing is, why would people who have SQIs and MVP Cards do BG to get the BG gears? The stuff they already have is way more powerful already. No point to un-lazy for those items.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Tigercule on June 13, 2010, 03:59:07 am

Quote from: Raruri on June 12, 2010, 04:12:49 pm

The gears aren't that great compared to what we can already easily obtain on this server.
The armors are nice, and the weapons are decent PvP alternatives, but not so great that they'd really stand out.

That Warlock's Battle Wand is a great substitute for SoM for people who don't have the zeny needed to buy it.
The daggers are nice too.
And the whip? 95% bonus against demi-human sounds a lot better than the SQI according to what I've heard from the dancers I've talked to...



Anyway, I guess I won't be getting the medals I need, since it's usually impossible to get even a full team together. The only times that happens are when I go with a guild -- which has happened all of once.

Considering that spamming Tierra still takes 5 minutes each time AT LEAST, and it takes 34 rounds to get the 100 medals required (34*3=102) if you win every single time, that's almost three hours of non-stop work. (2 hours and 50 minutes, plus however long it takes to move each client)

Not to mention you have to have multiple characters at 80+.

If someone has that kind of time and accounts, why not let them? It seems rather like farming to me..
And since the items are soulbound last I checked, it's not exactly like you can mess with the economy by trading them...


Oh, to be clear, is it literally not even one alt per person? ie, if you have 19 people you're screwed and everyone goes home cursing/unhappy because you couldn't get one extra person?
**for the record, I know that you're referring to people who have 10+ clients, but I want this to be asked as well, since this has happened before. :|

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: DreamerP on June 13, 2010, 04:15:01 am

Whats the BG Guitar do  ???

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: tsukaza13 on June 13, 2010, 04:20:16 am

Same as the whip. +95% damage on demihumans, +20% with AV.

I hope the GMs are listening to the inputs in this thread. BG needs fixing, and quick.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: DreamerP on June 13, 2010, 04:22:39 am

That's so much better than EG >_>

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: MinTako on June 13, 2010, 04:26:52 am

I agree, BG needs some serious fixing. I 'gave it a try' yesterday and it was one of the sadest things I've ever seen. First we tried going and shouting in pront but never recruited anyone past our ring of friends. Later that day a PR got on and tried rallying everyone up as well. It held for 2 games, each which I was in that damn waiting room for probably what was well over half an hour. THEN once it did get started, those who I was with who were doing BG with an interest of gears had no chance against those who were doing it just to show off their gears. Putting this as a Gears will win although they will never actually use their badges and those who have a solid interest in BG and its gears are less well off. Of course there is no way to correct this really, but lowering the amount to 5 vs. 5 would allow those with interest to go more often, as they wont have to wait for as many people. So although they may lose you still gain badges and you'd still eventually lmake some sort of progress.  /support for the 5 vs. 5 because I think it would not only increase interest in BG but help newer people out.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: DeePee on June 13, 2010, 04:47:05 am

Like, keep in mind that BG items have no slots.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: tsukaza13 on June 13, 2010, 05:50:09 am

Mhm, but their stats more than make up for it. Have you seen the 2h sword? It's so superior to the Muramasa it makes me cry, ;-;

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Valash_Vrayr on June 13, 2010, 09:58:53 am

But they still aren't completely overpowered. You'd have to run pure AGI builds on most of this stuff just to get any sort of reasonable ASPD. Plus they are completely useless in PvM (save for like Toy Factory/LH3 [highly concentrated areas of Demi's]). If some mediocre beginners want to waste time multi-clienting for this stuff, by all means.. I encourage it. More participants in WoE/PvP, and *le gasp* maybe potentially a higher player-base. Due to they can at least get their hands on some descent gear, and not feel stuck all their life.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: tsukaza13 on June 13, 2010, 10:09:53 am

Exactly. I want this sword for PvM, actually. So do the obvious and reduce the requirements, GM team? :<

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: xTodesengelx on June 13, 2010, 11:12:43 am

How do you get into BG anyway?

What characters are the best to use?

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Haine on June 13, 2010, 01:25:27 pm

Quote from: Valash_Vrayr on June 12, 2010, 04:03:45 pm

I'd rather promote it for this certain aspect, just so some newbies can client the shit out of it for at least a mediocre set to join WoE or something with. Which is really what everyone wants anyway is it not? More participants for WoE? It isn't like anyone with those gear sets + weapons are just suddenly going to out shine those with the actual top tier billion zeny gears + sqi's.

Too bad it's not newbies who are doing it.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Tigercule on June 13, 2010, 03:54:43 pm

Quote from: GM Haine on June 13, 2010, 01:25:27 pm

Too bad it's not newbies who are doing it.

Define 'newbie.'
I know for a fact that at least two people were less than 6 months on the server, and doing BG so that they would have decent gear.

And like has been stated before; if someone has that many characters and that much time, why not let them? It literally can't effect the economy since the stuff is bound to your character.

Quote from: MinTako on June 13, 2010, 04:26:52 am

THEN once it did get started, those who I was with who were doing BG with an interest of gears had no chance against those who were doing it just to show off their gears.

That's another reason why the alts method was convenient. Losing gives you one medal as opposed to three. Since I'm not all that well-geared in comparison to a lot of players, I was essentially just praying I'd get the winning team. That happened about 50% of the time at most.
Assuming that I won exactly half the times I played, it'd take me 4 hours and 10 minutes of non-stop Tierra to get the item I want.
Considering that BG goes on about once or twice a day (when averaged out), and a lot of people find Tierra to be "too boring" and therefore only do Flavius, I'd be screwed. I'd end up getting a SoM before the item that statistically should take much less long to farm for.

Quote from: Valash_Vrayr on June 13, 2010, 09:58:53 am

Due to they can at least get their hands on some descent gear, and not feel stuck all their life.

This. BG makes me think, "Hmm, I'll have a nice weapon to tide me over the fifty gazillion years until I can get a SoM." Before, when I was looking at the 150 million zeny to make an uncarded SoM (I'm not even gonna try hoping to get a carded one) I was really tempted to quit. Who really wants to spend months just to get PVP gear?

Quote from: xTodesengelx on June 13, 2010, 11:12:43 am

How do you get into BG anyway?

Maroll Battle Recruiter in Aldebaran. She's on the right with big boobs.

Quote from: xTodesengelx on June 13, 2010, 11:12:43 am

What characters are the best to use?

Whatever character you want the gear on. You can't kafra or trade any of the gear or medals, so you need to use the char you want the gear to go to.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Mindy on June 14, 2010, 01:46:21 am

I see this as a way for new players to actually get a foothold in this server, which is what this server needs.

I don't know the specifics on weapons, I'll leave that discussion to you folks.  From what I understand it's not better than the current gear the better players have.  If something is OP it can easily be nerfed.

What are the benefits of doing BG to older players? Lesser weapons then they currently own, and a bordeom cure?  At any rate, if we allow them to farm BG they can sell these weapons (they're not soul-bound, correct?) to the newer players.  If there are a lot in the economy the price will be cheap and affordable for the newbies.

Don't take away this opportunity for growth, encourage it and utilize it as a way to attract more players.
Please give some serious thought to this idea.

I would definitely reduce the player requirement as well.

Quote from: GM Haine on June 13, 2010, 01:25:27 pm

Too bad it's not newbies who are doing it.

The newbies don't even know much about it I'm sure.
Why not create an official "starting guide" for our new players that explains a few key ways to get started.  BG can be a part of that.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: tsukaza13 on June 14, 2010, 01:52:45 am

They ARE soulbound. The only way to get one of those weapons is to do it yourself, and using the character you plan to equip it on.

Also, am I the only one who thinks 3v3 should be made available as well? ;-;

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Schrodinger on June 14, 2010, 01:12:04 pm

Well, I think the best part about this, is people are arguing how you need aspd and such to really be able to use them, blah blah blah.

What they don't all know is the person doing it (who got reported) plays paladin, they can utilize the rewards by simply standing around and having the bonus damage proc through reflect.  Which is why we're not allowing the alts to be used.  Lowering the number of people it takes to start it is certainly a possibility, and actually had been discussed in the past before we even finished the transfer by myself and talis.

As to don't take it away, the newbies can utilize it, I really don't think it's a good idea, if you wanna use it, find some friends, it's not hard to join a friendly guild, have a match.  Especially if we lower the requirements to get in to a lesser number.

Quote from: Mindy on June 14, 2010, 01:46:21 am

Don't take away this opportunity for growth, encourage it and utilize it as a way to attract more players.

Quote from: GM Haine on June 13, 2010, 01:25:27 pm

Too bad it's not newbies who are doing it.

The newbies don't even know much about it I'm sure.
Why not create an official "starting guide" for our new players that explains a few key ways to get started.  BG can be a part of that.

Lemme see how this goes...

"Welcome to Animus, we let you abuse dual/triple etc clienting, straight from the beginning to get items, using a system designed to encourage teamwork.  Oh, but once you're not a newbie anymore, you're not allowed to do it!"

Sounds awesome

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Teggit on June 14, 2010, 01:39:37 pm

I guess that would be me then, apology where apology is due. I am sorry.

I honestly didn't think that it was such a big thing, but since it is now being treated as illegal I have stopped. Once again I am sorry.
Take my BG items if you wish.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Mindy on June 14, 2010, 03:34:25 pm

Quote from: GM Schrodinger on June 14, 2010, 01:12:04 pm

Quote from: Mindy on June 14, 2010, 01:46:21 am

Don't take away this opportunity for growth, encourage it and utilize it as a way to attract more players.

Quote from: GM Haine on June 13, 2010, 01:25:27 pm

Too bad it's not newbies who are doing it.

The newbies don't even know much about it I'm sure.
Why not create an official "starting guide" for our new players that explains a few key ways to get started.  BG can be a part of that.

Lemme see how this goes...

"Welcome to Animus, we let you abuse dual/triple etc clienting, straight from the beginning to get items, using a system designed to encourage teamwork.  Oh, but once you're not a newbie anymore, you're not allowed to do it!"

Sounds awesome

You misinterpreted me.  I never supported duel clienting in that statement nor did I say "once you're a newbie you can't do it"
I stated you can modify and utilize this thing as something to help new players.  Old players eventually quit. The future of this server is in our new players and in this server they definitely need help. If a player feels he can't get anywhere then he is most-likely going to quit.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Haine on June 14, 2010, 03:44:28 pm

It's usually just as effective if a player makes a guide though. o.o Doesn't necessarily have to be a staff member.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: MinTako on June 14, 2010, 03:57:35 pm

http://www.animusro.com/forums/index.php/topic,94863.0.html ._.

Title: Re: Is playing BG with alts to get rewards illegal?
Post by: Mindy on June 14, 2010, 04:12:04 pm

Quote from: GM Haine on June 14, 2010, 03:44:28 pm

It's usually just as effective if a player makes a guide though. o.o Doesn't necessarily have to be a staff member.

I'm well aware, I'm just suggesting that the guide be advertised for new players, and perhaps have the actual BG geared towards new players.  Old players won't benefit from BG how it is currently.. so it can go in a few directions.  I can stay as it is and not really be used; It can be geared towards helping newbies; It can be geared towards older players.
I see the most success in the newer players.

Hell even I'd start/make a guide towards it but the way BG is currently I don't see it as being effective for any of those routes. I'm suggesting we bring up discussion on how to modify BG to lead it in one of those directions.