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Title: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: bLitzkr!eg on May 16, 2010, 01:44:50 pm

my ad damage is so cute like 8k per ad compare to 45k back in the old server.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: DeePee on May 16, 2010, 01:53:15 pm

Most MVPs now have only 30 VIT. Been like that since like episode 11.2 or something.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Haine on May 16, 2010, 01:54:20 pm

HEY I LIKE CAPS TOO.

Pretty much what DeePee said. Her vit is probably lower than it was on the previous server.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: bLitzkr!eg on May 16, 2010, 02:29:27 pm

Quote from: GM Haine on May 16, 2010, 01:54:20 pm

HEY I LIKE CAPS TOO.

Pretty much what DeePee said. Her vit is probably lower than it was on the previous server.

so im guessing youre gonna keep valk the way it is?

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Haine on May 16, 2010, 02:32:45 pm

For now, yes. I PERSONALLY like the concept of encouraging party play rather than people simply /memo'ing and spamming something with Bios. :>

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Bagel-kun on May 16, 2010, 03:34:08 pm

This little bagel agrees.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: MinTako on May 16, 2010, 03:36:16 pm

Lol, it probably wont stop a lot of bio's going after valk tho anyways. At least from the sound of it, it seems like it will just take a little longer and a few more bottles.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: SanRath on May 16, 2010, 03:45:25 pm

Actually I think that means they'll start using Champions now because they only reason they didn't use them before was that its easier to both first-hit and out-damage on Biochemists when they did 40ks each. x;

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: bLitzkr!eg on May 16, 2010, 03:51:59 pm

Quote from: SanRath on May 16, 2010, 03:45:25 pm

Actually I think that means they'll start using Champions now because they only reason they didn't use them before was that its easier to both first-hit and out-damage on Biochemists when they did 40ks each. x;

we got tired killing valk with bio so we switched to champ and asura spam lol. it took forver though.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: kurip on May 16, 2010, 03:59:23 pm

if she wasnt holy 4, mage classes could be a good choice too since bishop card works with magic attacks only

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Aozora on May 16, 2010, 04:54:58 pm

Quote from: SanRath on May 16, 2010, 03:45:25 pm

Actually I think that means they'll start using Champions now because they only reason they didn't use them before was that its easier to both first-hit and out-damage on Biochemists when they did 40ks each. x;

If you have a small party, AD is still much more preferable than asura. You just need to figure out the correct strategy to tank valk(it's not extremely complicated really). Then grab a bragi and start AD'ing. Ideally you can do it with 3 people, or 2 with one of the dual clienting.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: hunksurvivorx on May 16, 2010, 06:24:18 pm

or using blattlegrounds paladin set...reflect shield and eske from soul linker
valk will kill herself.....

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Kane on May 17, 2010, 02:55:51 am

I recommend u all use these card for valk hunt:

Fallen Bishop Hibram Card
Class:Footgear Card
MATK + 10%, Maximum SP - 50%
Increases damage inflicted on Demihuman and Angel monster by 50%.

Gloom Under Night Card
Class:Armor Card
Increase damage inflicted on Holy Property, Shadow Property, Angel monster, Demon monster by 40%.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: levin on May 17, 2010, 03:59:59 am

Quote from: Bagel-kun on May 16, 2010, 03:34:08 pm

This little bagel agrees.

^

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: The Mystic on May 17, 2010, 11:18:10 am

They should implement those new MVPs I saw since we have eA now. like berze and naught sieger or something. THOSE MVPs promote party play. (Also just fyi snipers who are geared can outdamage bios on 30 vit or less targets.Also they can hit ghosts which bios can't.) Gloom of Night party anyone?~

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHI
Post by: GreaterPepe on May 17, 2010, 11:25:52 am

I really really really hope Valk was Buffed.
THANK GOD.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: kurip on May 17, 2010, 11:26:21 am

Quote from: gagohgile1 on May 17, 2010, 02:55:51 am

I recommend u all use these card for valk hunt:

Fallen Bishop Hibram Card
Class:Footgear Card
MATK + 10%, Maximum SP - 50%
Increases damage inflicted on Demihuman and Angel monster by 50%.

Gloom Under Night Card
Class:Armor Card
Increase damage inflicted on Holy Property, Shadow Property, Angel monster, Demon monster by 40%.

read before posting

Quote from: kurip on May 16, 2010, 03:59:23 pm

if she wasnt holy 4, mage classes could be a good choice too since bishop card works with magic attacks only

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Razer on May 17, 2010, 11:27:31 am

Almost all MVPs are 30 Vit and no snipers cant live the new MVP damages. Orc hero Spiral pierces. Orc Lord Earthquakes, Baphomet has exile,hells judgement and earthquake,Moonlight has land protect+full strip.

I am in support of all these nerfs. Specially the Valk one - long due.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Johnsu on May 17, 2010, 12:38:06 pm

I so hated her Fullstrip on iRO.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Neetox on May 17, 2010, 03:38:06 pm

Quote from: kurip on May 17, 2010, 11:26:21 am

Quote from: gagohgile1 on May 17, 2010, 02:55:51 am

I recommend u all use these card for valk hunt:

Fallen Bishop Hibram Card
Class:Footgear Card
MATK + 10%, Maximum SP - 50%
Increases damage inflicted on Demihuman and Angel monster by 50%.

Gloom Under Night Card
Class:Armor Card
Increase damage inflicted on Holy Property, Shadow Property, Angel monster, Demon monster by 40%.

read before posting

Quote from: kurip on May 16, 2010, 03:59:23 pm

if she wasnt holy 4, mage classes could be a good choice too since bishop card works with magic attacks only

Seriously? Perhaps they should change the description to say, "Increases magical damage inflicted on Demihuman and Angel monster by 50%." instead, then.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: kurip on May 17, 2010, 03:46:28 pm

Quote from: Neetox on May 17, 2010, 03:38:06 pm

Quote from: kurip on May 17, 2010, 11:26:21 am

Quote from: gagohgile1 on May 17, 2010, 02:55:51 am

I recommend u all use these card for valk hunt:

Fallen Bishop Hibram Card
Class:Footgear Card
MATK + 10%, Maximum SP - 50%
Increases damage inflicted on Demihuman and Angel monster by 50%.

Gloom Under Night Card
Class:Armor Card
Increase damage inflicted on Holy Property, Shadow Property, Angel monster, Demon monster by 40%.

read before posting

Quote from: kurip on May 16, 2010, 03:59:23 pm

if she wasnt holy 4, mage classes could be a good choice too since bishop card works with magic attacks only

Seriously? Perhaps they should change the description to say, "Increases magical damage inflicted on Demihuman and Angel monster by 50%." instead, then.

{ bonus bMatkRate,10; bonus bMaxSPrate,-50; bonus2 bMagicAddRace,RC_Angel,50; bonus2 bMagicAddRace,RC_DemiHuman,50; },{},{}

if was all dmg it would be like gloom

{ bonus2 bAddEle,Ele_Holy,40; bonus2 bAddEle,Ele_Dark,40; bonus2 bAddRace,RC_Angel,40; bonus2 bAddRace,RC_Demon,40; },{},{}

plus i met a girl on the beta that had one from one of the mvp spawn events and she confirmed it

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Neetox on May 17, 2010, 03:50:25 pm

Yea I know that's why I was suggesting the description change. :P

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: katadama on May 17, 2010, 10:21:08 pm

Whats wrong with mvps being harder?

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Kane on May 18, 2010, 07:03:26 am

Quote from: Neetox on May 17, 2010, 03:50:25 pm

Yea I know that's why I was suggesting the description change. :P

why dont the functional change as it should be as the descirption said.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHI
Post by: GreaterPepe on May 18, 2010, 07:27:32 am

Quote from: gagohgile1 on May 18, 2010, 07:03:26 am

Quote from: Neetox on May 17, 2010, 03:50:25 pm

Yea I know that's why I was suggesting the description change. :P

why dont the functional change as it should be as the descirption said.

Because we poor Mages need a break.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Neetox on May 18, 2010, 10:09:42 am

Quote from: GreaterPepe on May 18, 2010, 07:27:32 am

Quote from: gagohgile1 on May 18, 2010, 07:03:26 am

Quote from: Neetox on May 17, 2010, 03:50:25 pm

Yea I know that's why I was suggesting the description change. :P

why dont the functional change as it should be as the descirption said.

Because we poor Mages need a break.

And because that's how its supposed to be. I'll be honest. I was bummed when I found out it was magic only.

from AmesaniRO Database
http://ro.amesani.org/db/item-info/4441/

Fallen Bishop Card

    * Increases magic damage against [Angel] and [Demi-Human] race targets by 50%.

btw.. As far as I know its just a database, but if it has to do with an actual server let me know and I'll remove it. <-<

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: DreamerP on May 19, 2010, 08:29:57 am

The only thing I don't really like about the MvPs now are the spawn times, 1min-2 Hours >_<;

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Razer on May 19, 2010, 09:40:30 am

Not bad - no more camping- you wanna mvp - keep checking a map.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: bLitzkr!eg on May 19, 2010, 10:41:25 am

Quote from: DreamerP on May 19, 2010, 08:29:57 am

The only thing I don't really like about the MvPs now are the spawn times, 1min-2 Hours >_<;

valk is 10-480 mins LOL

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Razer on May 19, 2010, 10:48:28 am

kro,iro etc made those changes for a good reason - This atleast allows everyone a fair chance at MVPing unless some fella sits all day on a map lol.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Haine on May 19, 2010, 10:55:02 am

I personally like the idea having smallish spawn windows. =/ Small being 30 minutes. Anything longer than that is just. :( (JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION I'M NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING D: )

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Razer on May 19, 2010, 11:04:35 am

Should be higher and more random for bigger MVPs.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: DreamerP on May 19, 2010, 11:58:27 am

I'm just saying this makes making some SQIs quite difficult well not really but very annoying and it'll raise the prices on the ingredients...not only that I don't see the point of this now if on previous server we took off MvP tele off some MvPs *Goes and makes thread in Suggestion* >_>

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: bLitzkr!eg on May 19, 2010, 12:13:35 pm

I kinda like the idea of mini boss/weaker mvp having 10-30 mins random spawn time and greater mvp with 30-60/30-120 random spawn time.
So far I havent seen anyone camp a particular mvp due to its random spawn period. This works against campers, works for majority of animus players.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: xTodesengelx on May 19, 2010, 12:17:45 pm

Quote from: Razer on May 17, 2010, 11:27:31 am

Almost all MVPs are 30 Vit and no snipers cant live the new MVP damages. Orc hero Spiral pierces. Orc Lord Earthquakes, Baphomet has exile,hells judgement and earthquake,Moonlight has land protect+full strip.

I am in support of all these nerfs. Specially the Valk one - long due.

AWWWWWW WTF!

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Neetox on May 19, 2010, 12:19:50 pm

Ok before you guys go making a suggestion and stuff. The ONLY MVP I've come across so far that has a "ridiculous" spawn time is Valkyrie Randgris. The rest of the ones I've come across are still camp-able, but their spawn times are slightly changed.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: scarface1975 on May 19, 2010, 03:12:10 pm

Q.Q

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Aozora on May 19, 2010, 03:29:11 pm

A lot of you seem to misunderstand the spawn times on RMS a bit. The times aren't really random at all in most cases.

first a note about the values:

Ifrit spawn time in RMS says:

Quote

thor_v03
- Thors Volcano Dungeon F3
 + 1x / 10~660 min

Spawn line in eA files:

Quote

thor_v03,0,0,0,0   boss_monster   Ifrit   1832,1,39600000,600000,0

So in RMS the values are actually "reversed" 660 is the first value, 10 is the second.
In any case I was reading the documentation at first but that made no sense, so I looked in the source.

Code: [Select]

/*==========================================
 * spawn timing calculation
 *------------------------------------------*/
int mob_setdelayspawn(struct mob_data *md)
{
unsigned int spawntime;

if (!md->spawn) //Doesn't has respawn data!
return unit_free(&md->bl,1);

spawntime = md->spawn->delay1; //Base respawn time
if (md->spawn->delay2) //random variance
spawntime+= rand()%md->spawn->delay2;

if (spawntime < 500) //Min respawn time (is it needed?)
spawntime = 500;

if( md->spawn_timer != INVALID_TIMER )
delete_timer(md->spawn_timer, mob_delayspawn);
md->spawn_timer = add_timer(gettick()+spawntime, mob_delayspawn, md->bl.id, 0);
return 0;
}
The important part is here

Code: [Select]

spawntime = md->spawn->delay1; //Base respawn time
if (md->spawn->delay2) //random variance
spawntime+= rand()%md->spawn->delay2;
So we have a base respawn time -> delay1 -> the first value in the spawn line.
And a variable respawn time -> Delay2 -> second value in the spawn line.

And to translate that piece of code to english for all you non geeky people;
Set a variable called spawntime, the value for this variable is the delay1
if delay2 is defined add a random value between 0 and delay2 to the spawntime.

To give a practical example let's take Ifrit for example

Quote

thor_v03
- Thors Volcano Dungeon F3
 + 1x / 10~660 min

So Ifrit is killed.
Spawntime is set to 660 minutes, then a random number between 0-10 minutes is added to that.
So Ifrit will actually spawn at a random time 660-670 minutes from the moment it's killed. Which isn't really random at all.

Another example, Eddga's spawn in a guild dungeon:

Quote

gld_dun01
- Baldur Guild Dungeon
 + 1x / 120~480 min

Spawntime is set to 480 minutes then a random number between 0-120 is added to that.
So Eddga will spawn at a random time 480-600 minutes from the moment it's killed.

After browsing through RMS quick it seems that all MVP's aside from Satan Morroc and Kiel have a 10 minute variable spawn. So camping is still easy as pie.

tl;dr: Spawn times aren't random at all :>

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: bLitzkr!eg on May 19, 2010, 03:35:26 pm

im lost. I need to read more about it.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Aozora on May 19, 2010, 04:45:26 pm

Quote from: bLitzkr!eg on May 19, 2010, 03:35:26 pm

im lost. I need to read more about it.

The first explanation was, because eA documentation is apparently as reliable as someone tripping on acid.
The real explanation is a lot easier to understand.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: kurip on May 19, 2010, 04:54:18 pm

@aozora
lemme see if i understand putting it in a practical example

you kill a poring (jellopy drop = 100%), however sometimes you get a one card (card = 0.03%).
comparing this to the mvp spawn
considering ifrit, lets put the jellopy drop as the same as the max spawn time (660mins) and sometimes you get lucky and get a "card" and ifrit spawns again in 10 mins instead of the regular 660mins

or is it like a cooldown after a mvp kill? like
boss spawn > boss is killed > x time > + 10mins > respawn

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Aozora on May 19, 2010, 04:58:33 pm

Quote from: kurip on May 19, 2010, 04:54:18 pm

@aozora
lemme see if i understand putting it in a practical example

you kill a poring (jellopy drop = 100%), however sometimes you get a one card (card = 0.03%).
comparing this to the mvp spawn

considering ifrit, lets put the jellopy drop as the same as the max spawn time (660mins) and sometimes you get lucky and get a "card" and ifrit spawns again in 10 mins instead of the regular 660mins

am i right?

Err...No.....
I tried to make it simple and explain it throughly but well let's go again.

Spawn time consists of two parts.
Base and a variable.
Base time is always there
You simply add a random time between 0 and the the variable spawn time on top of the base time


In ifrits case:

You kill him and he will spawn somewhere between 660-670 minutes from the moment you killed it.

The spawn time will never be less than the base spawn time and it will never be more than the base time + variable time

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: kurip on May 19, 2010, 05:04:41 pm

Quote from: Aozora on May 19, 2010, 04:58:33 pm

got it

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: bLitzkr!eg on May 19, 2010, 06:54:19 pm

Quote from: Aozora on May 19, 2010, 04:58:33 pm

Quote from: kurip on May 19, 2010, 04:54:18 pm

@aozora
lemme see if i understand putting it in a practical example

you kill a poring (jellopy drop = 100%), however sometimes you get a one card (card = 0.03%).
comparing this to the mvp spawn

considering ifrit, lets put the jellopy drop as the same as the max spawn time (660mins) and sometimes you get lucky and get a "card" and ifrit spawns again in 10 mins instead of the regular 660mins

am i right?

Err...No.....
I tried to make it simple and explain it throughly but well let's go again.

Spawn time consists of two parts.
Base and a variable.
Base time is always there
You simply add a random time between 0 and the the variable spawn time on top of the base time


In ifrits case:

You kill him and he will spawn somewhere between 660-670 minutes from the moment you killed it.

The spawn time will never be less than the base spawn time and it will never be more than the base time + variable time

so let me get this straight...

kiel
kh_dun02
- Robot Factory Level 2
 + 1x / 60~120 min

so it'll be 2 hrs + 0- 60 mins?

valkyrie randgris
odin_tem03
- Odin Temple F3
 + 1x / 10~480 min

so it'll be 4hrs + 0-10 mins?

I think they need to edit some spawn time. 4hrs for the next respawn is too much. Im justn ot talking about valk,  alot of MVP have very long respawn time if we're all basing it on RMS ( like ungolian, Lady Tanee, Dark Lord- guild dungeon, etc etc....)

Or like the regular mvps with spawn time of 2 hrs base on rms (like mistress, phreeoni, vesper, lh3 mvps etc etc )

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: Aozora on May 19, 2010, 07:37:43 pm

Yeah you got it right. It's not that complicated really and not that random.

Title: Re: IS VALK BUFFED UP IN AETHENA OR BIO WAS NERFED? CANT DECIDE WHICH ONE IS WHICH..
Post by: DreamerP on May 19, 2010, 09:32:39 pm

Very interesting thanks for that piece of info O_O