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Title: Valk camping?
Post by: tsukaza13 on February 28, 2010, 11:04:26 am
I've heard it said that most of the money lies in the hands of the Valk campers, more than once. I have a few questions about this.

Is it possible to solo this epically lucrative MvP, and if so, what class, and with which gears? And is it close to impossible to get it to yourself? (Lord of Death, for example >.>)

I've also heard that guilds exist for the sole purpose of killing it over and over again; is that true? o_o
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: ~*Lythos*~ on February 28, 2010, 11:17:29 am
Well first of all most of the zeny of this game lies in the hands of those that donate <_<
and those that have nothing else to do but niff 24x7

No its not hard to "kill" valk by yourself,iv got mvp on her loads of times,the hard part is getting her loot once shes dead./ok

Bio with a complete set[djinn,celebs,gtb etc] are the best[with bragi=pwn]

and yea lol
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: StrikeNeko on February 28, 2010, 11:21:15 am
Well first of all most of the zeny of this game lies in the hands of those that donate <_<
and those that have nothing else to do but niff 24x7

No its not hard to "kill" valk by yourself,iv got mvp on her loads of times,the hard part is getting her loot once shes dead./ok

Bio with a complete set[djinn,celebs,gtb etc] are the best[with bragi=pwn]

and yea lol
As he said
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: Razer on February 28, 2010, 12:44:40 pm
10 Smiths make 5M a day. 50M total. One Valk armor takes all of that 50M in a single pop. No one collects and keeps niff money- its spent out on better gears. Valk armors were 100M+ back before they were un donateable - this is how much coveted Valkyrie gears are. Also , there a lot of old and new Valkyrie campers that dominate the richest player slots. Donaters are not the richest players for 2 reasons.One, They have Ads and not zenys - few Ads sold per day is good since you can grab more zeny per Ad but that way its slow to make a ton of zeny. Lets say a donater gets 500 Ads and tries to sell them at one time - He'd probably make them cheaper to get his or her zeny. In short , the pries of Ads fall with that much cash flowing at one time.

Two , competition exists everywhere. Lets say 2 Big donaters appear and say they both have 1000 Ads each to sell. This will take time and to beat the other guy on sales both of them will slowly lower rates and offer cheaper ADs if you buy a larger amount.

Older Valkyrie Campers have billions of zeny lying around. Go and take a look in the buying threads - Make a not of all players buying Godlike gears like +7 Sqis - They'd turn out to mostly Valkers . Some would be donaters all right but mostly Valkers.

Donating is the easiest way to get rich but not the best . That still belongs to in game methods. Every object has a zeny value and a time to sell value to it. And all of us want the former to be bigger and the latter to be smaller :P

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Statistics are your friend sometimes - they make you feel good anyway XD.

Average 1 hour niffing in crowded timezone = 1.5M/hr ,2M/hr if you sell leeches too
4 hours a day of play      6M or 8M
30 Days of play =     180M or 240M per month.

Add 1 more hour of grinding(per day) to the above and see the figures shoot up by huge proportions.
If you make more then 2M per hour then hoho.
If you play in an non crowded timezone then wow.

Niffing and Valking earn the same amounts per month but - Valking is faster since you just need to do it 5 mins per 2 hours. Niffing guarantees you the spoils but then you have to put in huge amounts of work. Yes Work since this is a South Korean MMO lol.
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: tsukaza13 on February 28, 2010, 10:15:24 pm
Well first of all most of the zeny of this game lies in the hands of those that donate <_<
and those that have nothing else to do but niff 24x7

No its not hard to "kill" valk by yourself,iv got mvp on her loads of times,the hard part is getting her loot once shes dead./ok

Bio with a complete set[djinn,celebs,gtb etc] are the best[with bragi=pwn]

and yea lol

Okay. If you get MVP, then why would it be hard to pick up the loot? Loots have character priority for whoever got MVP, don't they?

10 Smiths make 5M a day. 50M total. One Valk armor takes all of that 50M in a single pop. No one collects and keeps niff money- its spent out on better gears. Valk armors were 100M+ back before they were un donateable - this is how much coveted Valkyrie gears are. Also , there a lot of old and new Valkyrie campers that dominate the richest player slots. Donaters are not the richest players for 2 reasons.One, They have Ads and not zenys - few Ads sold per day is good since you can grab more zeny per Ad but that way its slow to make a ton of zeny. Lets say a donater gets 500 Ads and tries to sell them at one time - He'd probably make them cheaper to get his or her zeny. In short , the pries of Ads fall with that much cash flowing at one time.

Two , competition exists everywhere. Lets say 2 Big donaters appear and say they both have 1000 Ads each to sell. This will take time and to beat the other guy on sales both of them will slowly lower rates and offer cheaper ADs if you buy a larger amount.

Older Valkyrie Campers have billions of zeny lying around. Go and take a look in the buying threads - Make a not of all players buying Godlike gears like +7 Sqis - They'd turn out to mostly Valkers . Some would be donaters all right but mostly Valkers.

Donating is the easiest way to get rich but not the best . That still belongs to in game methods. Every object has a zeny value and a time to sell value to it. And all of us want the former to be bigger and the latter to be smaller :P

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Statistics are your friend sometimes - they make you feel good anyway XD.

Average 1 hour niffing in crowded timezone = 1.5M/hr ,2M/hr if you sell leeches too
4 hours a day of play      6M or 8M
30 Days of play =     180M or 240M per month.

Add 1 more hour of grinding(per day) to the above and see the figures shoot up by huge proportions.
If you make more then 2M per hour then hoho.
If you play in an non crowded timezone then wow.

Niffing and Valking earn the same amounts per month but - Valking is faster since you just need to do it 5 mins per 2 hours. Niffing guarantees you the spoils but then you have to put in huge amounts of work. Yes Work since this is a South Korean MMO lol.

I want to join the Valking fray. ._.
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: Raruri on February 28, 2010, 10:55:24 pm
You can make more money overall camping MVPs like Stormy Knight.
Valk armors have been steadily declining in prices recently, and are now around 45mill, some have even been underpriced for less.

Sure you can camp valk day and night (like some valk squads), but your chances of getting a worthy drop (like a manteu or armor or the more easily sold card) are extremely slim, and even if Valk does wind up dropping something, it's a race between you and the squads.

Also, if you wind up joining a pro squad, you'll usually be subject to taking 6-12 hour shifts and/or a sort of round robin system. So now imagine finally killing valk, and beating everyone to the drop.
Guess what? Its not yours, since it's someone else's turn to get the loot, and you still have 3 more people ahead of you to get drops.
Don't get me wrong though, it's a fair pooling system and you're guaranteed drops, but it's not really worth it if you're looking to make loads of zeny these days.

So really, these days Valking is just a decent side income and only something to engage in if you've already got a good main source of income, or already have a decent sized wallet.



Back in the day though, it was the way to make billions, since you had the warmth glitch to abuse and little competition.
However as I said before, that just isn't the case anymore.
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: tsukaza13 on March 01, 2010, 12:51:14 am
What is/was the warmth glitch?
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: Raruri on March 01, 2010, 12:56:46 am
You used to be able to stack the heat skill.
You could drop a heat on valk, high jump away and she'd still get hit by it as if you were standing right next to her.
This used to cause terrible lag though, since multiple SGs would do it, and it even crashed the zone server a few times.
A small price to pay for an easy 60-100m though.

(Back in the day, Valk shields were around 60m, manteus around 70, and armors were 100)
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: wish on March 01, 2010, 02:44:42 am
I miss old days =(
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: Razer on March 01, 2010, 02:50:13 am
I miss old days =(
I miss them too but not the valking ones =[
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: AL on March 01, 2010, 08:34:27 am
so now, joining a valk guild would not be a smart option? i was thinking of joining a valk guild, and no i dont have a main source of income, nor do i have billions in my pocket xD
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: StrikeNeko on March 01, 2010, 08:43:29 am
so now, joining a valk guild would not be a smart option? i was thinking of joining a valk guild, and no i dont have a main source of income, nor do i have billions in my pocket xD
i remember being in a valk guild..

it was quite funny when fighting valk
However the times is awful.. for me that is...

And if u want succesfull valk guild then you need members who doesnt forget her...
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: DreamerP on March 01, 2010, 08:54:58 am
Just remember if your going to Valk be prepared to lose your life  ;)
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: Razer on March 01, 2010, 09:13:55 am
Just remember if your going to Valk be prepared to lose your life  ;)
If there were some other objects worth farming and not available in cash shop or available for real high amounts then it would be worthwhile farming them. The cash shop acts as a cap over most objects. Although no more reason to complain on this since new cards are plenty around now. The next episode stuff like meteor plates[1] should be made non cash shop based. So that people would farm them and make a decent amount of zeny for it. People would then perhaps dump niff for better places.
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: DreamerP on March 01, 2010, 09:20:22 am
That won't happen. It was already proven with the newer MvP cards which were not intended to be donatable but ended up being that way O_o;
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: wish on March 01, 2010, 11:00:15 am
so now, joining a valk guild would not be a smart option? i was thinking of joining a valk guild, and no i dont have a main source of income, nor do i have billions in my pocket xD

As far as I know you don't know a godly items to kill valk! basic valk gears should be fine.
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: StrikeNeko on March 01, 2010, 11:04:53 am
so now, joining a valk guild would not be a smart option? i was thinking of joining a valk guild, and no i dont have a main source of income, nor do i have billions in my pocket xD

As far as I know you don't know a godly items to kill valk! basic valk gears should be fine.
All thats required is the following:

Kaho (more dex and int)
Di EwE (more HP)
Holy armor (Valkyrie and its minions ish holy)
Djinn or Quad Drop MG (for the dex.. Djinn aint necesarry)
Anubis Shield (Reduces holy damage) and GtB (It got Earthquake which does heavy damage)
Devi garment (Reduces its normal damage)
Dark Lord shoes (more HP)
and 2 x Celeb rings or maybe Sting Brys (More int, Vit and dex which is good)


Thats at least how i did it
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: Kanbe on March 01, 2010, 11:28:07 am
honestly is it really even worth the effort valk teams put in anymore? I mean the price of the gears has dropped a lot and they have a low drop chance anyway
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: StrikeNeko on March 01, 2010, 11:42:30 am
honestly is it really even worth the effort valk teams put in anymore? I mean the price of the gears has dropped a lot and they have a low drop chance anyway
excactly
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: aone on March 01, 2010, 12:14:48 pm
Osiris.

And valking can diaf :|
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: StrikeNeko on March 01, 2010, 12:18:55 pm
Osiris.

And valking can diaf :|
o yea.. forgot that one @_@
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: wish on March 01, 2010, 12:51:26 pm
honestly is it really even worth the effort valk teams put in anymore? I mean the price of the gears has dropped a lot and they have a low drop chance anyway

Over uping valk gears is fun.
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: DreamerP on March 01, 2010, 03:37:47 pm
Anubis is crap >_> just put GTB on when you spot Valk

You also want a Lif for speed...
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: Raruri on March 01, 2010, 05:09:35 pm
Affordable high end gears:

Kaho
DI mid
x2 drops Haedonggum (+2 dex from the cards and +3 int from the sword)
GTB carded Guard
Angeling carded armor
Deviling carded garment
DL carded footgear
1 Osiris carded clip
1 Berze carded clip

^ What I used most of the time.
I did just fine.  8)
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: wizelf94 on March 01, 2010, 05:18:40 pm
honestly is it really even worth the effort valk teams put in anymore? I mean the price of the gears has dropped a lot and they have a low drop chance anyway

Over uping valk gears is fun.

wish we all know u valk 2 much ^^
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: TidalWave on March 01, 2010, 07:47:41 pm
i shud get into this XD
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: wish on March 02, 2010, 12:06:13 am
honestly is it really even worth the effort valk teams put in anymore? I mean the price of the gears has dropped a lot and they have a low drop chance anyway

Over uping valk gears is fun.

wish we all know u valk 2 much ^^

I DONT VALK -.- how did you know it's me!
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: tsukaza13 on March 02, 2010, 12:13:33 am
honestly is it really even worth the effort valk teams put in anymore? I mean the price of the gears has dropped a lot and they have a low drop chance anyway

RMS says the Manteau and Shoes drop at 30% each, which would be 90% on our server. How is that low? o_o

Other than the Kahos, everything else looks affordable, I can do it once I trans my alchemist. :D

Just remember if your going to Valk be prepared to lose your life  ;)

Erm...you mean I'll die a lot fighting it, I suppose? That's pretty much a given. ._.

Osiris.

And valking can diaf :|

What the heck is 'diaf'?
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: Raruri on March 02, 2010, 12:45:30 am
RMS says the Manteau and Shoes drop at 30% each, which would be 90% on our server. How is that low? o_o

Lolno.

Heres a response to a support ticket I made during my Anthem valking days:
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb76/Dragonuri/ticket-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: Razer on March 02, 2010, 12:46:29 am

RMS says the Manteau and Shoes drop at 30% each, which would be 90% on our server. How is that low? o_o

The rates are nerfed in our server . I 'd put them at 1-3%

Quote
What the heck is 'diaf'?

Diaf- Die in a fire.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: DreamerP on March 02, 2010, 02:35:05 am

Just remember if your going to Valk be prepared to lose your life  ;)

Erm...you mean I'll die a lot fighting it, I suppose? That's pretty much a given. ._.



No I meant that it's a 2 Hour spawn...if you don't have the timer someone will either have to sit in Odin for about 2 hours waiting for people to warp in assuming they didn't luckily already find it. Or have people with different time zones keep timers. Also you have to be there right on the dot if your late someone will get it.
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: exDragon on March 02, 2010, 07:26:00 am
RMS says the Manteau and Shoes drop at 30% each, which would be 90% on our server. How is that low? o_o

Lolno.

Heres a response to a support ticket I made during my Anthem valking days:
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb76/Dragonuri/ticket-1.jpg)

if they were raised to that with the new episode, what were they before?
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: Raruri on March 02, 2010, 07:35:13 am
They weren't raised. They were nerfed.
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: exDragon on March 02, 2010, 07:37:53 am
They weren't raised. They were nerfed.

So those are the rates going into episode 10.x ?  If so, weren't they raised when we went to episode 11.x ?
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: Raruri on March 02, 2010, 08:37:34 am
The server upgraded to episode 11.3 around mid 2008 iirc.
We haven't gone into another episode since.

Also, the rates were slightly higher before the episode change iirc.
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: Razer on March 03, 2010, 03:21:04 am
Bleh the rates are fine as is seeing the two big teams going after them 24X7 without missing a single spawn.
They are actually better then older squads in timing lol.

As of now I think Valk Manteau[1] is the most coveted of the set.
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: akmal_xyz on March 03, 2010, 03:57:51 am
B>Valkryie Shoe[1]  8)
Title: Re: Valk camping?
Post by: tsukaza13 on March 03, 2010, 04:19:58 am
Well, at those rates, I'm not going to waste my time on it. I was under the illusion I'd get a manteau and shoes every time I managed to kill it. >.>