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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: fatteh on September 09, 2009, 11:32:41 pm
Title: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: fatteh on September 09, 2009, 11:32:41 pm
Last night, I saw an SN with a Vesper Optics on,,
possible?
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: cis_trans on September 09, 2009, 11:34:53 pm
Yeap, it is. Either intentional on the GMs part (lol benefit of the doubt?) or not , meaning very very very sloppy coding and carelessness on their part.
Either way. Looks cool and FUN omg. Snapping, call spirits, pneuma, Frost driver, Mammo with Mjol, melee with SoM or Evang. its hilarious. It's not broken, SNs still suffer from low HP mod, so its all good.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Hard Weapon on September 09, 2009, 11:51:44 pm
What happens if you rollback a Gunslinger with a Vesper Optics? Does he lose the SQI? Maybe thats what that person did..?
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: skith on September 09, 2009, 11:51:51 pm
Saw it just now and i think it's a roll back char /ok
Our GMs fail to see people intentions ::)
Now fix it if you can a char got 2 sqi on :P
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Talis on September 10, 2009, 01:08:46 am
Stop hating on the GM Team. We are aware of this and it is intentional and unless someone gives us good points as to why it should be fixed, it will remain the way it is.
2 SQI on one char is not a reason. We need details, facts why its suddenly zomg broken.
Fact imho is: SN still suck and are not competitive in the major PvP Leagues, hence let them have fun with some new powers. A boost to their strength does not equal OP-ed-ness.
Anyone who argues this, bring up points and examples with valid numbers /ok
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Aryia on September 10, 2009, 02:49:02 am
Most fun I've had in RO for a long time. It's hella expensive though, all those SQIs and novice-only gear. I can't go around beating good champs or anything but it's still very fun. Lander's idea >:
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Goosebumps on September 10, 2009, 03:48:45 am
It should remain consistent. ;D
VO doesn't make the SN "broken", in fact it somewhat levels the playing field, giving them a little more mobility in exchange for what has always been a deficiency in hp and defense.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: skith on September 10, 2009, 05:06:53 am
Stop hating on the GM Team. We are aware of this and it is intentional and unless someone gives us good points as to why it should be fixed, it will remain the way it is.
I am even more shocked about doing it on purpose .
2 SQI on one char is not a reason. We need details, facts why its suddenly zomg broken.
You want facts ? Very simple .. you do know that SN have access to PvP non trans map and since they have access to Mjol/Djinn/SoM/Evang they have a great force and even with shitty gears they still defeat many well geared classes .
Now with Vesper which i find the best SQI when it comes to defence ( 20% reduction from Elemental atacks ) and they can get more dex to reach IC which makes possible to get more vit not to mention + 20% MHP from vesper along with DL sleps . Oh wait they have Heal too .... Does that makes sense :-\
Fact imho is: SN still suck and are not competitive in the major PvP Leagues, hence let them have fun with some new powers. A boost to their strength does not equal OP-ed-ness.
Do they suck at PvP ? as i have said they don't beside that you don't know what a SN who makes MvP'ed Novice Gears will do since the SNs with shitty gears are overpowered
We all know most players don't get mvp gears for novice since they are not universal but we shouldn't forget that some people might do that .. right Aryia ;)
Anyone who argues this, bring up points and examples with valid numbers /ok
Is that not enough .. yet i will say it again SN have access to Non trans pvp map .
Actually there was a disccussion about making SN unable to equip SQI since they get great mele + magic power along with IC with those SQI . And now they get great tank ???
Maybe i will post a video later to show you what i mean ::)
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: exDragon on September 10, 2009, 09:56:46 am
Anyone who argues this, bring up points and examples with valid numbers /ok
Is that not enough .. yet i will say it again SN have access to Non trans pvp map .
Actually there was a disccussion about making SN unable to equip SQI since they get great mele + magic power along with IC with those SQI . And now they get great tank ???
Maybe i will post a video later to show you what i mean ::)
I'd rather see a set bonus that disables the SQI when equipped with another weapon SQI before this ever happens.
P.S. I am not suggesting that a SN being able to equip GS and weapon SQI is broken in any way as I have no opinion of that.
Stop hating on the GM Team. We are aware of this and it is intentional and unless someone gives us good points as to why it should be fixed, it will remain the way it is.
2 SQI on one char is not a reason. We need details, facts why its suddenly zomg broken.
Fact imho is: SN still suck and are not competitive in the major PvP Leagues, hence let them have fun with some new powers. A boost to their strength does not equal OP-ed-ness.
Anyone who argues this, bring up points and examples with valid numbers /ok
Could you make it possible for a SN to make a gunslinger SQI so a roll back will not be necessary or have you already done this?
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: DeePee on September 10, 2009, 10:40:56 am
It's an official feature, sorta. Super Novices who are linked can equip any headgear and any level 4 weapon as long as they are higher than level 96 I think. No clue if it's even possible to change this =/
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Novice Tenchi on September 10, 2009, 01:07:58 pm
It's an official feature, sorta. Super Novices who are linked can equip any headgear and any level 4 weapon as long as they are higher than level 96 I think. No clue if it's even possible to change this =/
I don't believe it is unless you change a WHOLE lotta stuff.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Jinya on September 10, 2009, 01:54:12 pm
It's an official feature, sorta. Super Novices who are linked can equip any headgear and any level 4 weapon as long as they are higher than level 96 I think. No clue if it's even possible to change this =/
One way to counter this:
if(BaseJob==Job_Insert Class here)
Putting this before the bonuses gained means that only that base job, in this case a Gunslinger, can utilize them. So while others try to be slick and wear it, all they'd get out of it is a slot. I really don't like this 'feature', as well. Just another lucky exploit for them to take advantage of and getting away with less work, but hey...hurhurlowHP/SPmod, rite?
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: balam on September 10, 2009, 02:18:15 pm
they knew about it and doesnt need to be changed /swt http://www.anthemro.com/forums/index.php/topic,61265.msg1469637.html#msg1469637
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Combo on September 10, 2009, 02:27:40 pm
I call pre-buff!
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Jinya on September 10, 2009, 02:46:38 pm
Can my SL equip Staff of Magi, now?
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: fatteh on September 10, 2009, 03:00:22 pm
yeah if SN gets this much power help SL / SG / Ninja Get more too :)) my opinion :))
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Teggit on September 10, 2009, 04:16:13 pm
. . . That's not a bad idea actually, take off the defence penetration for SLs and we're good.
But why? /sob I wanna join the OMFGATTACK bandwagon, too! ;< Besides, I have no attack skills, save for Improv stuff. q_q Wizzies can keep the Bless and Stone Curse chance to themselves.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: skith on September 10, 2009, 05:57:05 pm
It's an official feature, sorta. Super Novices who are linked can equip any headgear and any level 4 weapon as long as they are higher than level 96 I think. No clue if it's even possible to change this =/
Very simple just don't roll back GS to SN or better idea
[Super Novice] Disable all buffs
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Goosebumps on September 10, 2009, 07:32:01 pm
It's an official feature, sorta. Super Novices who are linked can equip any headgear and any level 4 weapon as long as they are higher than level 96 I think. No clue if it's even possible to change this =/
Very simple just don't roll back GS to SN or better idea
[Super Novice] Disable all buffs
Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of being an SN?
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: SwiftStrike on September 10, 2009, 07:46:59 pm
maybe he meant disable all buffs from optics.
although the 33% aspd is nice on a SN aha
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Amanda1234567890 on September 10, 2009, 07:51:21 pm
hhmmm i wonder if u can niff better with SN if u r wearing DBS Mjol and VO...all u need is hammerfall and yur ready 2 go
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Goosebumps on September 10, 2009, 08:32:21 pm
I don't think that's what he meant. Besides call spirit doesn't DRASTICALLY change an SN's gameplay (given that is the only buff on it). ::)
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Aryia on September 10, 2009, 08:36:53 pm
People are suggesting ways to fix it but not of ways that make it broken in the first place.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Narshe on September 10, 2009, 09:01:53 pm
Bad idea imo
gonna leave it at that
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Combo on September 10, 2009, 09:17:23 pm
SLing is prebuffing! :D
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Lander on September 10, 2009, 09:41:46 pm
Yeah... I was kinda hoping I would be the first to show you people but lexy and his temper on a SN=fail. anyways the cat is out of the bag. it works awesome go have fun.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Snostrebla on September 10, 2009, 09:52:03 pm
TTH Magi + FAR anyone? Can't imagine how much mammo would do.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Lander on September 10, 2009, 09:54:43 pm
:D
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Goosebumps on September 10, 2009, 11:02:20 pm
TTH Magi + FAR anyone? Can't imagine how much mammo would do.
against toad reductions ... around 2k per smash? Aryia was hitting me on my pally when i had gr on for like 1200-1400s with a DDT (im assuming) So a toad valk against TTH will be around there.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Lander on September 10, 2009, 11:22:54 pm
There is way more to SN then mamo and BR fuck. i cant wait till december
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: skith on September 11, 2009, 07:16:33 am
I don't think that's what he meant. Besides call spirit doesn't DRASTICALLY change an SN's gameplay (given that is the only buff on it). ::)
Yes that what i ment and call spirit + body reco changes the SN gameplay espeically when SN vs Knight [ Hit till your hp reaches 3k? then run and heal :o ]
You guys don't understand anything ...
Let's start with Megs/Bris/Sleps they are SQI but all classes can wear which makes a balance in its way .
But when it comes to mjol/SoM/VO they are made to complete and overcome weakness for the classes that can equip them for example SoM which have a magic improvement but what will happen if the opponet has GTB ? that's why they can pierce Demi-human's defence and by forcing GTB instead of wearing toad they can easily overcome thier weakness .
Now let's talk about Vesper Optics, it gives reduction from all elements because GS can't wear Toad shield but SN can wear shields which kill that purpose . it gives 20% MHP since GS have low hp but SN have heal which also kill its purpose , it's the best SQI in tanking .
I don't mind a SN using ONE SQI since if they used SoM/Mjol/etc you get a great force but not that good defence and if they used VO only they get a great defence but not a good force .
Using two means having Force and defence which makes it unbalanced .
I asked Aryia to clear Forest with her SN [ by using OV and mjol or SoM ? ] and guess what it was cleared
I will just resay what Dreus said to some people in-game asking for more buffs for OV :
" You're not suposed to kill champs with GS Don't forget that GS have an access to Non trans PvP/WoE "
Same thing goes to SN
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: exDragon on September 11, 2009, 07:54:29 am
That's not saying much since most people in forest are undergeared.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Aryia on September 11, 2009, 10:58:43 am
I don't think that's what he meant. Besides call spirit doesn't DRASTICALLY change an SN's gameplay (given that is the only buff on it). ::)
Yes that what i ment and call spirit + body reco changes the SN gameplay espeically when SN vs Knight [ Hit till your hp reaches 3k? then run and heal :o ]
You guys don't understand anything ...
Let's start with Megs/Bris/Sleps they are SQI but all classes can wear which makes a balance in its way .
But when it comes to mjol/SoM/VO they are made to complete and overcome weakness for the classes that can equip them for example SoM which have a magic improvement but what will happen if the opponet has GTB ? that's why they can pierce Demi-human's defence and by forcing GTB instead of wearing toad they can easily overcome thier weakness .
Now let's talk about Vesper Optics, it gives reduction from all elements because GS can't wear Toad shield but SN can wear shields which kill that purpose . it gives 20% MHP since GS have low hp but SN have heal which also kill its purpose , it's the best SQI in tanking .
I don't mind a SN using ONE SQI since if they used SoM/Mjol/etc you get a great force but not that good defence and if they used VO only they get a great defence but not a good force .
Using two means having Force and defence which makes it unbalanced .
I asked Aryia to clear Forest with her SN [ by using OV and mjol or SoM ? ] and guess what it was cleared
I will just resay what Dreus said to some people in-game asking for more buffs for OV :
" You're not suposed to kill champs with GS Don't forget that GS have an access to Non trans PvP/WoE "
Same thing goes to SN
Even with all that.. a GREAT SN wouldn't beat a DECENT champ. You can't really compare one instance of forest clearing to the issue since (last time I went in there) I cleared forest on my half geared knight simply due to the fact that people there aren't very well geared. If you wanted to prove a point, you'd have to do SN against a well geared character. Even then... you have to realize SN's are prebuffing with the link so it won't ever count as an "official" duel.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Razer on September 11, 2009, 11:47:02 am
Flying side Kick dispells soul links - I dont know if you can keep gears equipped after link breaks.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Lander on September 11, 2009, 03:12:44 pm
Skith. Super novices Survivability is almost 0. they only need be hit a few times. by having BR they might finally be able to survive a little better. It's easy to nerf their damage. learn to counter attacks before you complain. what about WW on a LK or sinx changing elements. or GS changing bullets or hunters changing arrows. SN just changes weapons.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: DreamerP on September 11, 2009, 10:08:30 pm
What's so bad about SN using VO >_>
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Goosebumps on September 11, 2009, 10:31:25 pm
Pnuema + Body Reloc + Safety wall + a helluvalot more.
+No hp + shit sp + need of specific equips + they still die just as fast.
Clearing forest, like said above means nothing. I've done it on a baby version of like half the non trans classes.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Aryia on September 12, 2009, 12:29:15 pm
And again, how does that make SN overpowered?
I have over a bil's worth of gears on my SN. I have overupped novice armor, breastplates, manteaus, on top of the overupped sleips/kahos, all 5 SQIs I swap between, excluding the 2 bris and a meg. If I'm smacking someone with a Mjolnir with LSoD, I should definitely win if they can't put on a fucking wind armor. But that's just my opinion of the matter. On top of that, SNs do have a lot of problems. They have the lowest HP mod in the game, and they have low SP (like 200-400) so GJ spam is a must. We carry bgems for safety wall as well, not to mention the windchime stones for LSoD. Did I mention the awakes needed to break 190 ASPD and all the green pots to get rid of certain status? Mammos cost me 2k ea, and I have to constantly soul link myself, and I have to constantly spam:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Supernovice chant here
Just to get Fury.
Safety wall + ED (Or MDEF, or Marc/ESL) > Supernovice. I can't do anything to someone under a safety wall except spam weak int moves like cold bolt or try to status with frost driver/stone curse. A flying sidekick = no more soul link, as with dispel, so I can't really see Super Novices running MDef/Marc card builds all that much and instead are forced to GTB. The fact of the matter is that there have been some changes to the metagame, as Lander's idea, people have shat bricks and people don't know what to do yet. Hardly ever do I see taekwons using flying side kick, but I will hopefully see people use it more often.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Combo on September 12, 2009, 12:31:18 pm
Just yell "Prebuff!" to this just like everyone does to sins with SL and all that other crap.
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Lander on September 12, 2009, 04:56:51 pm
lol lexy, you put to much effort. all you do to a SN is freeze them, dispell then strip or w/e you want
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: DreamerP on September 12, 2009, 06:31:46 pm
You guys are idiots if you think SN is overpowered >_>
Title: Re: Discussion : SN + Vesper Optics?
Post by: Lander on September 12, 2009, 10:03:24 pm