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Title: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: *-*Gato*-* on August 20, 2009, 07:31:22 am

i was wondering if you can actually get IC with a pally. i was told to get DI valk helm instead of kahos, why i asked and the person loggedd out, i have

DL sleips
DI Machoman
Kaho
PCB
Devi/Monsoon
2xCeleb Rings

and as of yesterday i got aeguis.

so... well i know i have to get berze something. anysugestions? i knoew people will say brys but i can't afford it since i am saving for DI valk i guess and if i get DI valk.. what mid head gears sould i get?

and what should i put berz in?

thank you.

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Teggit on August 20, 2009, 07:35:37 am

Quote from: zyebeth on August 20, 2009, 07:31:22 am

what mid head gears sould i get?

Clock tower manager mid for when you get a DI upper headgear.

Quote from: zyebeth on August 20, 2009, 07:31:22 am

and what should i put berz in?

Can't afford brygs? Rosary is your best friend.

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: zciek on August 20, 2009, 09:04:10 am

Btw you cant get IC with reduction gear. My friend had like 103% reduction, it simply dont work.

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Aozora on August 20, 2009, 09:34:45 am

Quote from: zciek on August 20, 2009, 09:04:10 am

Btw you cant get IC with reduction gear. My friend had like 103% reduction, it simply dont work.

.....What?
Yes it does work perfectly fine, your friend miscalculated his reductions then >_>;

Anyways;
2x berze 60%
DL+DI 20%
CTM card 5%
Aegis 18%

Should hit you 100% reduction.

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: zciek on August 20, 2009, 09:43:13 am

Does matter it you hit 150% reduction. It doesnt work. Not sure why.

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Aozora on August 20, 2009, 09:46:27 am

Quote from: zciek on August 20, 2009, 09:43:13 am

Does matter it you hit 150% reduction. It doesnt work. Not sure why.

It has worked before and it will work now >_>
The mechanic has been there for god knows how long, Your friend simply did something wrong.

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Bajorgas on August 20, 2009, 10:11:02 am

His friend probably thought that berz was 33% and not 30% or that dex stacked with cast reductions.

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: zciek on August 20, 2009, 10:15:55 am

Quote from: Bajorgas on August 20, 2009, 10:11:02 am

His friend probably thought that berz was 33% and not 30% or that dex stacked with cast reductions.

Maybe that was it. :o

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 04:38:05 pm

Quote from: zciek on August 20, 2009, 09:43:13 am

Does matter it you hit 150% reduction. It doesnt work. Not sure why.

Depends which class you're trying it with.  Champions, Mages, Profs, and Priests will never get IC with reduction gears, even if you hit 200% reduction.  Pallies, Bios and Sin X (not 100% on sinx or bio, correct me if i'm wrong) can get IC with 100% reduction.

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Aozora on August 20, 2009, 04:47:19 pm

Quote from: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 04:38:05 pm

Quote from: zciek on August 20, 2009, 09:43:13 am

Does matter it you hit 150% reduction. It doesnt work. Not sure why.

Depends which class you're trying it with.  Champions, Mages, Profs, and Priests will never get IC with reduction gears, even if you hit 200% reduction.  Pallies, Bios and Sin X (not 100% on sinx or bio, correct me if i'm wrong) can get IC with 100% reduction.

.....
What
the
fuck?

100% cast reduction is 100% cast reduction >_>
It doesn't mean a shit which class you're playing as, if you attain 100% cast reduction on any class you will have no cast time.

Seriously...Why is it so hard to comprehend?
When you have 10 seconds, and you reduce 100% of that 10 seconds you end up with 0 seconds.
It is not that hard seriously o_O

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 04:56:07 pm

Quote from: Aozora on August 20, 2009, 04:47:19 pm

Quote from: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 04:38:05 pm

Quote from: zciek on August 20, 2009, 09:43:13 am

Does matter it you hit 150% reduction. It doesnt work. Not sure why.

Depends which class you're trying it with.  Champions, Mages, Profs, and Priests will never get IC with reduction gears, even if you hit 200% reduction.  Pallies, Bios and Sin X (not 100% on sinx or bio, correct me if i'm wrong) can get IC with 100% reduction.

.....
What
the
fuck?

100% cast reduction is 100% cast reduction >_>
It doesn't mean a shit which class you're playing as, if you attain 100% cast reduction on any class you will have no cast time.

Seriously...Why is it so hard to comprehend?
When you have 10 seconds, and you reduce 100% of that 10 seconds you end up with 0 seconds.
It is not that hard seriously o_O

There's nothing to comprehend.  I have a champion and I've had access to: 2x Berz Bry, DI + DL, Clock Tower manager Mid, about 80 base Dex and Bless, (as well as Kaho) and I did not achieve IC.  The same gears went on a bio with about the same base dex (no Djinn) and got IC on Acid Demo.

Care to explain that?

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Teggit on August 20, 2009, 05:14:14 pm

Test was flawed because that's simply not possible unless you were in a bragi on biochemist.

Care to retest and post screenies?

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Aozora on August 20, 2009, 05:16:38 pm

Quote from: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 04:56:07 pm

Quote from: Aozora on August 20, 2009, 04:47:19 pm

Quote from: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 04:38:05 pm

Quote from: zciek on August 20, 2009, 09:43:13 am

Does matter it you hit 150% reduction. It doesnt work. Not sure why.

Depends which class you're trying it with.  Champions, Mages, Profs, and Priests will never get IC with reduction gears, even if you hit 200% reduction.  Pallies, Bios and Sin X (not 100% on sinx or bio, correct me if i'm wrong) can get IC with 100% reduction.

.....
What
the
fuck?

100% cast reduction is 100% cast reduction >_>
It doesn't mean a shit which class you're playing as, if you attain 100% cast reduction on any class you will have no cast time.

Seriously...Why is it so hard to comprehend?
When you have 10 seconds, and you reduce 100% of that 10 seconds you end up with 0 seconds.
It is not that hard seriously o_O

There's nothing to comprehend.  I have a champion and I've had access to: 2x Berz Bry, DI + DL, Clock Tower manager Mid, about 80 base Dex and Bless, (as well as Kaho) and I did not achieve IC.  The same gears went on a bio with about the same base dex (no Djinn) and got IC on Acid Demo.

Care to explain that?

That set does not give you  IC, thus your Bio did not have IC. I am 100% positive on that, there is no cast time modifier on any class and the whole concept is utterly retarded. Also you said you had 2x berz bris, DI+DL, CTM AS WELL AS KAHO? how is that even possible? Last time I checked kaho wasn't slotted.

AD has a 1 second cast time, you get 85% out of that and you end up with 0.25 seconds then you further reduce it about 60% with 80 base DEX and bris bonuses, and you end up with a cast time being about 0.1 second. Which you probably mistook for IC for god knows why.

Now if your claim is true I would like you to go ahead and try it again and still say it is IC on your bio. Because seriously, even if the cast bar is up there for 1/10th of a second, it's still there.

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: zciek on August 20, 2009, 05:18:08 pm

Quote from: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 04:38:05 pm

Quote from: zciek on August 20, 2009, 09:43:13 am

Does matter it you hit 150% reduction. It doesnt work. Not sure why.

Depends which class you're trying it with.  Champions, Mages, Profs, and Priests will never get IC with reduction gears, even if you hit 200% reduction.  Pallies, Bios and Sin X (not 100% on sinx or bio, correct me if i'm wrong) can get IC with 100% reduction.

Thats why.. ;D

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Aozora on August 20, 2009, 05:26:57 pm

Quote from: zciek on August 20, 2009, 05:18:08 pm

Quote from: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 04:38:05 pm

Quote from: zciek on August 20, 2009, 09:43:13 am

Does matter it you hit 150% reduction. It doesnt work. Not sure why.

Depends which class you're trying it with.  Champions, Mages, Profs, and Priests will never get IC with reduction gears, even if you hit 200% reduction.  Pallies, Bios and Sin X (not 100% on sinx or bio, correct me if i'm wrong) can get IC with 100% reduction.

Thats why.. ;D

Because there is some unknown modifier attached to each class which no one knows about, which isn't listed on any databse sites from RMS ot iROwiki, nor has it been emulated by eA nor any of the previous emulators nor is there any sort of reference to anything like this even in Aegis files. right! Makes perfect sense :)

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 05:27:49 pm

Quote from: Aozora on August 20, 2009, 05:16:38 pm

Quote from: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 04:56:07 pm

Quote from: Aozora on August 20, 2009, 04:47:19 pm

Quote from: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 04:38:05 pm

Quote from: zciek on August 20, 2009, 09:43:13 am

Does matter it you hit 150% reduction. It doesnt work. Not sure why.

Depends which class you're trying it with.  Champions, Mages, Profs, and Priests will never get IC with reduction gears, even if you hit 200% reduction.  Pallies, Bios and Sin X (not 100% on sinx or bio, correct me if i'm wrong) can get IC with 100% reduction.

.....
What
the
fuck?

100% cast reduction is 100% cast reduction >_>
It doesn't mean a shit which class you're playing as, if you attain 100% cast reduction on any class you will have no cast time.

Seriously...Why is it so hard to comprehend?
When you have 10 seconds, and you reduce 100% of that 10 seconds you end up with 0 seconds.
It is not that hard seriously o_O

There's nothing to comprehend.  I have a champion and I've had access to: 2x Berz Bry, DI + DL, Clock Tower manager Mid, about 80 base Dex and Bless, (as well as Kaho) and I did not achieve IC.  The same gears went on a bio with about the same base dex (no Djinn) and got IC on Acid Demo.

Care to explain that?

That set does not give you  IC, thus your Bio did not have IC. I am 100% positive on that, there is no cast time modifier on any class and the whole concept is utterly retarded. Also you said you had 2x berz bris, DI+DL, CTM AS WELL AS KAHO? how is that even possible? Last time I checked kaho wasn't slotted.

AD has a 1 second cast time, you get 85% out of that and you end up with 0.25 seconds then you further reduce it about 60% with 80 base DEX and bris bonuses, and you end up with a cast time being about 0.1 second. Which you probably mistook for IC for god knows why.

Now if your claim is true I would like you to go ahead and try it again and still say it is IC on your bio. Because seriously, even if the cast bar is up there for 1/10th of a second, it's still there.

(Kaho was top headgear, I swaped it back and forth as well as the CTM; ie: DI Ewe and DL Shoes, Kaho top, or DI Detective Cap, CTM, DL shoes).  No the Bio did NOT have a cast bar when I did it.  I'm 100% sure on that, I wouldn't be wasting my time posting this here if I wasen't anyways.  I don't state things as facts unless I've proven it / have evidence; in this case: I've tried it and proven it myself.

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Guardian Lord on August 20, 2009, 05:29:24 pm

Quote from: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 04:56:07 pm

Quote from: Aozora on August 20, 2009, 04:47:19 pm

Quote from: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 04:38:05 pm

Quote from: zciek on August 20, 2009, 09:43:13 am

Does matter it you hit 150% reduction. It doesnt work. Not sure why.

Depends which class you're trying it with.  Champions, Mages, Profs, and Priests will never get IC with reduction gears, even if you hit 200% reduction.  Pallies, Bios and Sin X (not 100% on sinx or bio, correct me if i'm wrong) can get IC with 100% reduction.

.....
What
the
fuck?

100% cast reduction is 100% cast reduction >_>
It doesn't mean a shit which class you're playing as, if you attain 100% cast reduction on any class you will have no cast time.

Seriously...Why is it so hard to comprehend?
When you have 10 seconds, and you reduce 100% of that 10 seconds you end up with 0 seconds.
It is not that hard seriously o_O

There's nothing to comprehend.  I have a champion and I've had access to: 2x Berz Bry, DI + DL, Clock Tower manager Mid, about 80 base Dex and Bless, (as well as Kaho) and I did not achieve IC.  The same gears went on a bio with about the same base dex (no Djinn) and got IC on Acid Demo.

Care to explain that?

thats because you cant get IC with a mix of cast reduction gears and DEX

the totak cast reduction of 100% MUST be from cast reduction cards and gears ONLY

you cant have a 90 % cast reduction from cards and gears and cast reduction from dex and get IC

In this case ONLY the Aegist user can get IC with cast reductors

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Aozora on August 20, 2009, 05:36:32 pm

The bio had a cast bar above it's head, your Bio did not have IC unless you were standing on a bragi or attained extra 15% cast reduction in some other way. I don't really care what you keep claiming, but it's a simple fact that what you are saying is impossible due to the way cast reduction is calculated. You had a cast bar above your head even if it was for a split second and seemed like IC it was most definitely there.

Anthem uses Aegis, Aegis functions exactly like official platforms thus any sort of bugged mechanic is out of the question in this case.
Every single formula about cast reduction proves what you are saying is wrong, you can calculate your cast time yourself if you want to. http://irowiki.org/wiki/Cast_Time#Cast_Time
There have been no reports of this sort of behavior on official servers nor on any other Aegis server ever created.
Every single fact known about cast reduction points that you are wrong, and without any sort of evidence supporting your ridiculous claim, you are wrong.

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Hard Weapon on August 20, 2009, 05:42:30 pm

Then I must've been high on crack. ::)

Oh well, I stand down /heh

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: rolover on August 21, 2009, 10:53:50 am

The only class that can achieve ic from cast reduc gears w/o bragi is sader/pally
at least until they release orlean's plate

Title: Re: How to get IC wiht cast reduction gears on a pally?
Post by: Combo on August 21, 2009, 11:01:15 am

Only Paladins can reach IC with cast reduction gears.  Wizards are the only other class that can reach the cloest to IC with cast reduction gears.