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Title: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: 0ur0bur0s on August 05, 2009, 06:21:12 pm

Since High Wizards have AmplifyMagicPower in their disposal, and Scholars can't use MindBreaker on themselves, would scholars benefit from receiving a built-in Mdefpiercing effect on their SQI? If sages and scholars can pierce 15~25% of an opponent's MDEF, would that be considered fair for everyone (scholars and other classes)?

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: Yuyuko on August 05, 2009, 06:41:46 pm

I think Strip shield is already pretty sufficient. Considering that scholars can tear right through GTB then.

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: 0ur0bur0s on August 05, 2009, 11:19:37 pm

Which doesn't help much in WoE as everyone is FCPed.

I figure a bit of MdefPiercing can help as sages and scholars mostly have single target offensive spells. Also most people just expect them to cast either Waterball or Heaven's Drive.

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: Yuyuko on August 05, 2009, 11:27:24 pm

Hmm, but Amplify Magic Power honestly isnt that great of the spell.
Considering that it can only increase the power of one spell for one hit, the only thing viable spell to be amplified is Jupiter Thunder (or other bolt spells). However, if we give Scholar 15% piercing, it makes the scholar extremely powerful since it powers up Waterball tremendously, which seems kinda overpowering.

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: Schrodinger on August 05, 2009, 11:30:54 pm

Also, we have the High Wizard card that drops now, so... HW + tome + strip shield = OH GOD IT BURNS OH GOD HELP ME

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: ~Neutral~ on August 05, 2009, 11:37:46 pm

Quote from: PR-Schrodinger on August 05, 2009, 11:30:54 pm

Also, we have the High Wizard card that drops now, so... HW + tome + strip shield = OH GOD IT BURNS OH GOD HELP ME

I am a Tome Professor, and honestly. I wouldn't give up my Mistress for a HW Card. Their magic is already powerful enough, plus they have strip shield to either strip a Toad, Maya, or GTB. Carrying Hundreds of gemstones is a pain in the ass to do weight wise. Plus the HW Side Effects will screw up the class stat wise.

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: 0ur0bur0s on August 05, 2009, 11:43:27 pm

Better reason to play a sage class! /gg

Most people know when to use GTB anyway. 15% Mdef Piercing shouldn't be a problem to anyone wearing a GTB while FCP'ed.

Also read somewhere that people will receive less damage from HW card if they don't wear a lot of MDef gears. Is that true?

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: cheekboi16 on August 05, 2009, 11:47:17 pm

Quote from: 0ur0bur0s on August 05, 2009, 11:43:27 pm

Better reason to play a sage class! /gg

Most people know when to use GTB anyway. 15% Mdef Piercing shouldn't be a problem to anyone wearing a GTB while FCP'ed.

Also read somewhere that people will receive less damage from HW card if they don't wear a lot of MDef gears. Is that true?
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amplify is not mdef piercing.  fuck.  amplify is mattk increase.  so even w/ 90 mdef you still do 1 damage. 

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: ~Neutral~ on August 05, 2009, 11:50:44 pm

Quote from: 0ur0bur0s on August 05, 2009, 11:43:27 pm

Also read somewhere that people will receive less damage from HW card if they don't wear a lot of MDef gears. Is that true?

Actually I think it's the other way around. HW is basically taking a certain amount from 100%. The more you have, the less damage it will do. The less you have, the more it will do. Using a HW card is like your enemy wearing less MDEF gears, think of it that way. The people that you hear from probably have the wrong idea on it.

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: Zolous on August 05, 2009, 11:51:31 pm

Quote from: neutral12 on August 05, 2009, 11:37:46 pm

You truly have never swapped a gear in all your time playing RO, have you?

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: Erica~ on August 06, 2009, 11:17:16 pm

Quote from: neutral12 on August 05, 2009, 11:50:44 pm

Quote from: 0ur0bur0s on August 05, 2009, 11:43:27 pm

Also read somewhere that people will receive less damage from HW card if they don't wear a lot of MDef gears. Is that true?

Actually I think it's the other way around. HW is basically taking a certain amount from 100%. The more you have, the less damage it will do. The less you have, the more it will do. Using a HW card is like your enemy wearing less MDEF gears, think of it that way. The people that you hear from probably have the wrong idea on it.

.______________. It's not a fucking Magic Ice Pick. It's a Combat Knife.
What does that mean? It will do the same damage regardless of your Mdef .

Quote from: 0ur0bur0s on August 05, 2009, 06:21:12 pm

Since High Wizards have AmplifyMagicPower in their disposal, and Scholars can't use MindBreaker on themselves, would scholars benefit from receiving a built-in Mdefpiercing effect on their SQI? If sages and scholars can pierce 15~25% of an opponent's MDEF, would that be considered fair for everyone (scholars and other classes)?

Sorry, but I find that 99% of the profs in WoE are in Vit build. And if they are int, they are doing it wrong.

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: SwiftStrike on August 07, 2009, 10:57:32 am

Quote from: Erica~ on August 06, 2009, 11:17:16 pm

Sorry, but I find that 99% of the profs in WoE are in Vit build. And if they are int, they are doing it wrong.

IMO theres no such thing as "doing it wrong", its a game that (should) welcome open builds...although some are more preferred. (might see more int with hwiz card)

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: Freestyle on August 07, 2009, 12:47:30 pm

Yeah, I prefer to rip through WB/HD Profs and their guilds in WoE too  ;)

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: ozg82889 on August 07, 2009, 04:56:17 pm

Quote from: SwiftStrike on August 07, 2009, 10:57:32 am

Quote from: Erica~ on August 06, 2009, 11:17:16 pm

Sorry, but I find that 99% of the profs in WoE are in Vit build. And if they are int, they are doing it wrong.

IMO theres no such thing as "doing it wrong", its a game that (should) welcome open builds...although some are more preferred. (might see more int with hwiz card)

no in woe if you are not running a vit build with ic or with berz brys and other cast reductions you are doing it wrong. in woe a class should fulfill there roll efficiently and the best way to do that is by using a high vit build. thats the best way to keep yourself alive and support your team as the only thing that matters is winning.

its the same reason a large part of scholar in iro are soul burn/soul change scholars with decent vit and high dex or reductions as that is the best way to help the team win.

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: Razer on August 07, 2009, 07:05:07 pm

Quote from: Freestyle on August 07, 2009, 12:47:30 pm

Yeah, Weprefer to rip through WB/HD Profs and their guilds in WoE too  ;)

*cough* :angel:

Everyone may be FCPed but at times people are forced to go Toad. Soul burn hurts so much in such cases :(
Professor isnt meant to be a Rambo in war (even though it can be). If you work your professor properly(usage of skills) your party can rip through the opposite team no matter the odds. Thing is everyone wants to be a killer in war. Someone has to play support for winning ya know :\

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: hunksurvivorx on August 07, 2009, 07:35:39 pm

scholars are fucking overpowered...the dispell skill...deluge...land protector...a scholar can kill every class if well used...stop crying babies and make a SG suggestion D:

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: ~*LacusHime*~ on August 08, 2009, 11:03:00 pm

Quote from: hunksurvivorx on August 07, 2009, 07:35:39 pm

scholars are fucking overpowered...the dispell skill...deluge...land protector...a scholar can kill every class if well used...stop crying babies and make a SG suggestion D:

First of all... you... actually nevermind... there's a nice little button for that


Now are we talking about WoE or pvp?  In Pvp there are several classes that can kill scholar easily with gtb/mdef and even that little bit of pierce won't help in both situations (since those who can pull off a decent mdef build can also afford a gtb).

As far as strip shield goes.. in pvp it is a bit useful but by the time you manage to strip an enemy's shield you already lost most of your HP.

And about the usefulness of it in woe... Just stick with the HW card discussion if you want to pierce mdef.  There are more important things a scholar could be doing instead of attempting to waterball a character who can pot it off with ease. (I was hit with this skill a while back in woe on my sniper with 55 mdef and I didn't even bother to heal as I walked by since the damage was so pathetic

Oh and I don't believe you can say they're "doing it wrong" since there is no defined proper way to play a character.. but you could say that they aren't effective at all in supporting their guild.

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: Pab on August 09, 2009, 12:00:40 pm

Quote from: PR-Schrodinger on August 05, 2009, 11:30:54 pm

Also, we have the High Wizard card that drops now.

Wut.

Title: Re: Tome+MdefPiercing
Post by: DJ Soul on August 09, 2009, 12:41:07 pm

Quote from: Pab on August 09, 2009, 12:00:40 pm

Quote from: PR-Schrodinger on August 05, 2009, 11:30:54 pm

Also, we have the High Wizard card that drops now.

Wut.

The HW card has been drop only for a long time now. Along with all the other MVP cards in lh3. You just have to kill them and get lucky  :o