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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: ShadowKilla on July 31, 2009, 03:45:40 am
Title: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: ShadowKilla on July 31, 2009, 03:45:40 am
Alrighty time to rant on about the gayest skill soul breaker. Does anyone have an effective method a Twin Fang user cud use to effectivly reduce the damage of soulbreaker? Tired of that shit pwning me >:(
im looking for cards, gears, anything like that
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Razer on July 31, 2009, 03:54:42 am
1]Erende Ebecce card can proc pneuma on your tile. 2] Correct armour swap (poison/GR) will reduce damage. 3] Prevent him from casting soul breaker by silencing him.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: DJ Soul on July 31, 2009, 07:29:48 am
High def and Mdef should work.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: pranetcoolman on July 31, 2009, 08:13:19 am
1]Erende Ebecce card can proc pneuma on your tile. 2] Correct armour swap (poison/GR) will reduce damage. 3] Prevent him from casting soul breaker by silencing him.
i think he has a problem with "her"
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Kain on July 31, 2009, 08:18:35 am
1]Erende Ebecce card can proc pneuma on your tile. 2] Correct armour swap (poison/GR) will reduce damage. 3] Prevent him from casting soul breaker by silencing him.
i think he has a problem with "her"
It doesn't matter They'll get what he says anyway.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Razer on July 31, 2009, 08:37:30 am
No it wouldn't , MDEF doesn't reduce the damage from the int part of SB. As for Def , I am sure dagger types also use IP/Cks apart from TSS glads.
In case of Querubin , she plays unconventionally - she has a lot of funny weapons that she swaps. The fun part is that shes successful with them too.
People who play unconventional and different from cookie cutter builds and techniques are always on a level of their own.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Freestyle on July 31, 2009, 11:38:12 am
Time their SD's after cast delay with shield swap and have Myst Garment on while swapping Tao -> GR/ED or Time a status swap of Dark Frame while you're doing Neutral damage meaning they'd have GR on = Stone Curse = 1 hit KO EP'd EDP'd Sonic Blow = win.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Hard Weapon on July 31, 2009, 11:45:09 am
Wouldn't EDP be cheating in a SinX duel?
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Aryia on July 31, 2009, 11:47:57 am
For the record, most SinX's with daggers run ESL mids, so they won't get stoned. They have very high vit and int so they're pretty much immune to poison as well as silence.
Noxius card reduces soul breaker damage by 10%.. Soul Breaker has both a phyiscal portion and a magic portion. The physical portion can in fact be dodged via flee if I remember correctly. It also carries the element that the SinX is using, so Agriope/ED and GR armors would be your main choice. Swapping to Valk Toad while predicting SBs is always a good idea.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Freestyle on July 31, 2009, 12:15:40 pm
Why? The OP never mentioned anything about duel rules. And gathering from the information said, it sounded like he's trying to beat Love's SinX build, in which I hear they were ygging and junk anyways. Even if not, there's easy rules enabled for Duels for SinX w/ EDP, you get 1 use and Cloaking is enabled, easy as that... Who set's up these stupid duel rules anyways?
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Aryia on July 31, 2009, 01:29:16 pm
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: levin on August 01, 2009, 01:49:31 am
Physical part can in fact miss lol and easily reducible. so if u want put loads of flee :3
Magic part of sinx is not affected by MDEF and not reducible by elemental armor. (eg. dark frame armor will not work against the magic part of SBk even if the sinx enchant poison) it can however be reduce by elemental-resisting garments lol somewhat like false endow or something >< Im not sure bout Ghostring though o.o but dark frame definately doesn'treduce it ><
As for Def , I am sure dagger types also use IP/Cks apart from TSS glads.
but its nice to have some extra hp?
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Typhoom on August 01, 2009, 11:57:17 am
element reducing mufflers @___@?
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: DJ Soul on August 01, 2009, 12:28:21 pm
The problem with using elemental garments is you have to know what element the opponent is using. From what I heard they both use Sage enchants and other stuff.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: rolover on August 01, 2009, 12:30:03 pm
theres so many different elemental daggers that its not worth it unless u kno what they have on at that very moment...
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: ShadowKilla on August 01, 2009, 12:30:08 pm
well, usually in a duel, or rather, in the duels im talking about, you wuddnt edp, i cud edp if it was random kos but im just talking a simple no potting no prebuff blah blah duel
no ones prebuffing at all in anyway is the case im talking about
im thinking i like the pneuma proc card idea...sounds legit
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Freestyle on August 01, 2009, 02:03:55 pm
Well then you're just falling victim to the article posted (And dang it's a good read lol) by Aryia. EDP is a SKILL of the SinX, that happens to boost all Katar based skills, unlike Soul Destroyer which is already beefed up, hence it's unaffected by EDP. So you're saying that by playing a Katar SinX all you're doing is limiting yourself on both weapons and skills to defeat said SinX opponent. Not to mention, with dagger's, SinX are able to toss Shield on and still SD, reducing 40% damage from you WHILE armor switching while still outputting damage to your dumbass because you can't do shit w/ a Katar on besides swap shield and stop attacking to minimize the damage of SD. So really you're losing because a choice of gearing, just like most TSS champs would beat Combo champs, or Int Prof would beat a Autocast Prof, or a bow Stalker vs. a dagger Stalker. It's simple matchups... Even I used daggers in those old best 2/3 duels back in the day on SinX.
If you don't think gears help either, I did some fun math on CK overups: Base damage difference between +4 and +8 CK's are: 348-1020 DPS. That's like... 1.5k-5k more damage every 5 seconds of DPS difference. Somewhere around that, which means you have to be THAT much more efficient at armor swapping.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: 4n0nym0u5 on August 01, 2009, 03:32:05 pm
I'm kinda confused, in my HRS if you have 999 vit and def+vit cards all long range skills will kill you... But here in LRS high vit is good i guess...
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: SwiftStrike on August 01, 2009, 03:36:02 pm
Well then you're just falling victim to the article posted (And dang it's a good read lol) by Aryia. EDP is a SKILL of the SinX, that happens to boost all Katar based skills, unlike Soul Destroyer which is already beefed up, hence it's unaffected by EDP. So you're saying that by playing a Katar SinX all you're doing is limiting yourself on both weapons and skills to defeat said SinX opponent. Not to mention, with dagger's, SinX are able to toss Shield on and still SD, reducing 40% damage from you WHILE armor switching while still outputting damage to your dumbass because you can't do shit w/ a Katar on besides swap shield and stop attacking to minimize the damage of SD. So really you're losing because a choice of gearing, just like most TSS champs would beat Combo champs, or Int Prof would beat a Autocast Prof, or a bow Stalker vs. a dagger Stalker. It's simple matchups... Even I used daggers in those old best 2/3 duels back in the day on SinX.
If you don't think gears help either, I did some fun math on CK overups: Base damage difference between +4 and +8 CK's are: 348-1020 DPS. That's like... 1.5k-5k more damage every 5 seconds of DPS difference. Somewhere around that, which means you have to be THAT much more efficient at armor swapping.
so basically what ur saying is, by me choosing to play TF sinx, and choosing not to edp, im already putting myself at a huge disadvatange, and winning even 1/3 of my duels against dagger sinx is good in itself. If i really want to kick their ass's, i shud basicly just edp, and who gives a shit if they QQ after.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Freestyle on August 02, 2009, 02:53:45 am
Pretty much. Think of how much different the duel would go if EDP was allowed for both sides.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: ShadowKilla on August 02, 2009, 04:59:21 am
Pretty much. Think of how much different the duel would go if EDP was allowed for both sides.
Amen. This pretty much sums up everything i needed to know. Thanx freestyle next time i can try that (edp both sides). hope this thread will open ppls certain ppls eyes (assuming they are reading this) as to y i might lose to a dagger sinx, and still not think of them as being anygood :)
note, im not calling all dagger sinx bad or not any good, just the small few who think they are badass enough to trash talk me after defeating me.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Razer on August 02, 2009, 05:39:32 am
Swordbreaker !!!
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: juggernaut2000 on August 02, 2009, 05:49:58 am
Pretty much. Think of how much different the duel would go if EDP was allowed for both sides.
Amen. This pretty much sums up everything i needed to know. Thanx freestyle next time i can try that (edp both sides). hope this thread will open ppls certain ppls eyes (assuming they are reading this) as to y i might lose to a dagger sinx, and still not think of them as being anygood :)
note, im not calling all dagger sinx bad or not any good, just the small few who think they are badass enough to trash talk me after defeating me.
well when ur identity is concealed...ev1 is tempted to trash talk after a win xD
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: ShadowKilla on August 02, 2009, 11:18:39 am
I have a Golem Jur to counter than, theyd die in edp while dealing their weakass swordbreaker dmg /ho
Metalling !!!
/heh
u do realize most sinx are immune to silence right?
Umm yea thats if Metalling caused Silence. I am sure its the card that casts lvl 1 Weapon strip /heh
I think you are confused between Metalling and Metaller.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: ShadowKilla on August 02, 2009, 12:43:33 pm
oh yea epic fail Rofl
yea i wasnt around ro much when ppl started using that card, and the names are kinda simmilar ;x
my bad
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Razer on August 02, 2009, 03:38:53 pm
Ssok but those suggestions wernt against you - They were for you. You can very well play a swapping game - Break with swordbreaker/strip with metalling jur and then switch to TF and finish the job. That apart public pvp is bad for any kinds of duel - especially for a sinx vs sinx duel I d say go PVP event - At least your target wont cloak away much here.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: ShadowKilla on August 02, 2009, 03:52:10 pm
ah yes ur right :o nice. id just have to hope in the time it take to breake/strip them they wuddnt already hit me with 3 8k sbkrs @_@ nice suggestions :D
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: DJ Soul on August 02, 2009, 04:00:48 pm
Metaling isn't good at all if you have low dex.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: SwiftStrike on August 02, 2009, 04:03:00 pm
also affected if the target runs dex too?
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: rolover on August 02, 2009, 04:11:50 pm
and wudn it be troublesome to carry a bunch of DD[insert effect cards here] katars? vs having a dd dagger and effects offhand??
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: DJ Soul on August 02, 2009, 04:47:16 pm
When i played Sinx a long time ago, I had my DTT TF and a DDP glad with swordbreaker, mailbreaker, and a MMMM MG, m being metaller. It all depends on how you wanna play and how much zeny you got.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: rolover on August 02, 2009, 04:59:17 pm
When i played Sinx a long time ago, I had my DTT TF and a DDP glad with swordbreaker, mailbreaker, and a MMMM MG, m being metaller. It all depends on how you wanna play and how much zeny you got.
and in case of DDT TF builds you might prefer DDD or DDDD w/ effect daggers unless u want to stat some agi to make up for the aspd loss due to using 2 weapons as opposed to 1 katar
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: DJ Soul on August 02, 2009, 05:07:09 pm
With DTT you have to stat alot of AGI and i like flee builds for pvp.
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: Razer on August 02, 2009, 05:14:29 pm
Isn't this strategy good - Start with a sonic blow with EDP from TTT Tf then Swap to DDT Tf?
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: rolover on August 02, 2009, 05:30:17 pm
yeah cept not every1 has both? o.o
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: ShadowKilla on August 02, 2009, 08:22:33 pm
i want a TTP tf, phree cuz lets face it, no tf user runs dex. ur not hitting any sinx with sonic blow lmao
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: juggernaut2000 on August 03, 2009, 09:56:39 am
With DTT you have to stat alot of AGI and i like flee builds for pvp.
/ok high flee builds work well against daggers sins.
not if they're prepared and get DDPP(or 2 phrees somewhere) or just get really high dex
ya DDPP is a big problem but not many people have those anyway. It works most of the time Of course if u defeat a sin once with high flee & he comes back and challenges u again chances are he got a DDPP this time /heh(y they didnt carry it the first time is beyond me...but this has happened to me b4)
Title: Re: How To Counter Soul Breaker (TF vs Daggers)
Post by: ShadowKilla on August 05, 2009, 01:50:14 am