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Title: Suggestions.
Post by: zciek on June 18, 2009, 01:05:30 am

Suggestion after suggestions, which like 95% of the people like, never get implemented?

Im just wondering why? Some suggestions everyone like, so why arent they implemented? Ofcourse im only talking about the ones which are easy to code, and demand little work from Gm's or programmers.

If there's almost no work making it happen, why isnt it done? We are losing players by the hour..

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: DreamerP on June 18, 2009, 02:40:38 am

1) Stupid suggestions
2) Can't be done on the server
3) Starts as a suggestion then ends as a flame thread IE the SQI threads

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: zciek on June 18, 2009, 03:39:01 am

Quote from: DreamerP on June 18, 2009, 02:40:38 am

1) Stupid suggestions
2) Can't be done on the server
3) Starts as a suggestion then ends as a flame thread IE the SQI threads

Well some can actually be done on our server, but there's just not happening anything.

And yeah, this community is really really good at kicking people for opening there mouths, just a bit..

And the server thing is true. We are running some kind of Nothingcanbeimplementedserver..

But some suggestions have huge backup by the players, and are easy to make, but nothings happening, while we are still losing players..

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: Combo on June 18, 2009, 03:51:16 am

The GMs suck at that.  I hate not seeing any replies at all saying that it isn't possible to implement or something.

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: zciek on June 18, 2009, 04:11:15 am

Quote from: Judgement on June 18, 2009, 03:51:16 am

The GMs suck at that.  I hate not seeing any replies at all saying that it isn't possible to implement or something.

Its just sad, cause there are good suggestions on the forums every week, which never gets implemented. Things which could make more people wanna stay. Stop vets from quitting. And just improve the community & server..

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: 4n0nym0u5 on June 18, 2009, 09:59:19 am

The MVP thing got implemented.

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: *-*Gato*-* on June 18, 2009, 10:56:46 am

insted o other things they go ahead and screw up with the MVPs before they even do other thing that would even help the server more, like for example doing the automatic kaho changer, or automatic unslotting process

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: Combo on June 18, 2009, 02:49:09 pm

Quote from: zciek on June 18, 2009, 04:11:15 am

Quote from: Judgement on June 18, 2009, 03:51:16 am

The GMs suck at that.  I hate not seeing any replies at all saying that it isn't possible to implement or something.

Its just sad, cause there are good suggestions on the forums every week, which never gets implemented. Things which could make more people wanna stay. Stop vets from quitting. And just improve the community & server..

Yup. They could at least comment on it or something.

@Zye- The event was a good thing that's what Event GMs are for, EVENTS. Event GMs should work on making more events while the other GMs work on those technical stuff.  This server needs more events
to keep players here.

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: *-*Gato*-* on June 18, 2009, 07:54:11 pm

@ Judge I mean screw up with the MVPs like making them tele randomly when they didn't use it and that i am sure it's tech related

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: Combo on June 18, 2009, 10:15:46 pm

Ahhhhhhhh...true.  .-.

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: Hard Weapon on June 19, 2009, 01:03:39 am

Quote from: Judgement on June 18, 2009, 03:51:16 am

The GMs suck at that.  I hate not seeing any replies at all saying that it isn't possible to implement or something.

Last time a staff member posted in Suggestion (other than Yuyuko), it wasen't done correctly, and Talis had to make a big wall of text apologizing for that member's actions.


Also, some suggestions have been taken a note of; it's just Talis has been doing a lot of behind the scenes work and Dreus I assume has been helping.

One recent example can be taken for the Gunslinger / Ninja dyes.  People suggested that for a while, and finally after much testing, it was done.  Now, we're just waiting on more dyes, rather than having 10.



Be patient, I've come to learn that GMs DO look at the topics, they just don't comment so that you don't really get false hopes / misguided ideas.

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: Yoshi on June 19, 2009, 02:44:37 am

Quote from: zciek on June 18, 2009, 04:11:15 am

Quote from: Judgement on June 18, 2009, 03:51:16 am

The GMs suck at that.  I hate not seeing any replies at all saying that it isn't possible to implement or something.

Its just sad, cause there are good suggestions on the forums every week, which never gets implemented. Things which could make more people wanna stay. Stop vets from quitting. And just improve the community & server..

Yes true but i am pretty sure that they are reading it those suggestions and maybe implementing some they did like and that can work behind the scenes as a surprise

 :P

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: ~Axle~ on June 19, 2009, 03:07:57 am

Let's say one GM voices support of an idea; then later down the line, another GM - Lets say a coder reveals that it's impossible.
A GM isn't supposed to have another GM correct him/her; and though I'd love to see more feedback from the GM team,
they need to be 100% sure of something, before they say it; or else you get people moaning constantly.

Just because everyone likes a suggestion, doesn't mean it's possible, and more importantly, doesn't make it a good idea.
I'd say maybe 10% of suggestions or less are really "Great" idea's that have a possibility of being completed.

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: zciek on June 19, 2009, 03:25:14 am

Quote from: ~Axle~ on June 19, 2009, 03:07:57 am

Let's say one GM voices support of an idea; then later down the line, another GM - Lets say a coder reveals that it's impossible.
A GM isn't supposed to have another GM correct him/her; and though I'd love to see more feedback from the GM team,
they need to be 100% sure of something, before they say it; or else you get people moaning constantly.

Just because everyone likes a suggestion, doesn't mean it's possible, and more importantly, doesn't make it a good idea.
I'd say maybe 10% of suggestions or less are really "Great" idea's that have a possibility of being completed.

I would have to disagree. If everyone likes it, then doesnt just that make it a good idea?

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: Combo on June 19, 2009, 03:39:36 am

Well it just sucks not knowing if they have actually seen it and checked if it's possible and stuff. :l

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: ~Axle~ on June 19, 2009, 03:55:03 am

Quote from: zciek on June 19, 2009, 03:25:14 am

I would have to disagree. If everyone likes it, then doesnt just that make it a good idea?

Of course not. For example: Everyone would love to be exempt from Taxes, right?
However; those taxes pay for a huge amount of public services, like education.
So no taxes=No education. And is therefore a horrible thing.

Just because everyone likes it; doesn't make it a good idea.

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: samipoo on June 19, 2009, 04:09:42 am

maybe its simply so people don't flood the general discussion with suggestions.

like, a place the GM's ignore for everyone to go get out all of their 'geniusnesses'.
or whatever the kids are calling it these days.

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: zciek on June 19, 2009, 05:13:46 am

Quote from: ~Axle~ on June 19, 2009, 03:55:03 am

Quote from: zciek on June 19, 2009, 03:25:14 am

I would have to disagree. If everyone likes it, then doesnt just that make it a good idea?

Of course not. For example: Everyone would love to be exempt from Taxes, right?
However; those taxes pay for a huge amount of public services, like education.
So no taxes=No education. And is therefore a horrible thing.

Just because everyone likes it; doesn't make it a good idea.

You cant compare a game, to irl. Especially not a thing like taxes.. If everyone likes the idea, in a game server, then that have got the be the perfect definition off a good idea.

Quote from: Judgement on June 19, 2009, 03:39:36 am

Well it just sucks not knowing if they have actually seen it and checked if it's possible and stuff. :l

So true..

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: Hard Weapon on June 19, 2009, 10:34:10 am

Quote from: zciek on June 19, 2009, 03:25:14 am

Quote from: ~Axle~ on June 19, 2009, 03:07:57 am

Let's say one GM voices support of an idea; then later down the line, another GM - Lets say a coder reveals that it's impossible.
A GM isn't supposed to have another GM correct him/her; and though I'd love to see more feedback from the GM team,
they need to be 100% sure of something, before they say it; or else you get people moaning constantly.

Just because everyone likes a suggestion, doesn't mean it's possible, and more importantly, doesn't make it a good idea.
I'd say maybe 10% of suggestions or less are really "Great" idea's that have a possibility of being completed.

I would have to disagree. If everyone likes it, then doesnt just that make it a good idea?

The problem is: define EVERYONE.

Maybe 20 people or so go on forums to support a topic.  This server has about 400-500 actve players, who's to say they ALL support it?  Either way, there's bigger things at hand and other projects underway.  Talis is doing a LOT behind the scenes that you and I will probably never see, but in the long run WILL benefit the server.

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: ~Axle~ on June 19, 2009, 10:35:22 am

Yes, I can compare them. If you want an ingame example; you just need to think.

I'm sure basically everyone would want a promotional Celeb ring right? Why sure, you'd get a huge
number of the population who'd want the GM's to give away one promotional Celeb ring for an Event.
But hey; what happens to the price of celeb rings once you introduce hundreds of free new ones to the market?
So; hundreds of people would want it; but would it really be a 'good idea?' Of course not.

Again, just because everyone likes it; does not make it a good idea.

Title: Re: Suggestions.
Post by: Praeline on June 19, 2009, 10:44:55 am

The fact that you see GMs posting on the forums, means they're checking the suggestions every so often.  Some of them, just don't know what to say and don't have the training to answer to the demanding public.  In fact, there are times where I have to advise some of them here and there, that what they're saying isn't very kosher and should rethink their wording when they do.

Just give it time for them to pick up the reigns and become more managerial (Adrift)

Though, to be honest, after Debbie, suggestions were responded to a lot more than they were back in the day.  Debbie completely, flat out, ignored my whole "Save the World" idea ;[  And Harken said he didn't want to give ad credit for it ;[

And really, see: website project thing.

The website was in production/works for a while before that suggestion was even put up. Now, just because the player didn't see it being worked on or mentioned to them, she kept bumping her thread every so often until I got fed up with it, and posted what the website would look like so the players would shut up.

Things take a while to work on, especially when it comes down to the nitty gritty of coding.  A lot more details need to be worked out before something can be implemented, not just, "Hey this sounds like a good idea, let's put it in!" Pro's & Cons need to be weighed out, and every possible situation to break the suggestion needs to be played out in order to ensure that the suggestion, does not have any negative out comes in the end.