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Title: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: 0ur0bur0s on May 25, 2009, 03:30:25 pm

1-Hand Spear: ATK 200, STR +20, Weight 550, +30 Hit, Enables use of lvl 4 Warm Wind

Requirements:
1 Tirfing Sword
1 Gungnir
1 Longinus's Spear
1 Lance [1]
1 Bathory Card
2 Loki's Whispers
1,000 Evil Horn
140,000,000 Zeny

I was just wondering... how come Nibelungen SQI has no effects in relation to Shadow? Like giving a resistance percentage to Shadow attacks like Isis card? Or [insert number]% more damage to monsters with Shadow property like Santa Poring?

I understand that giving WarmWind lvl6 would be broken and unnecessary for this weapon that already has access to 4 elements, but 5 of the ingredients either came from monsters with Shadow property (Bathory, LoliRuri and BaphoJr) or have a shadow element itself (tirfing and Longinus spear).

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: redhairweasel on May 25, 2009, 03:40:32 pm

previous nibel is way heavier, shadow property and no WW

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: Valash_Vrayr on May 25, 2009, 03:43:24 pm

^ Is dense.

What the OP was trying to say, that with the new Nibel. How come the ingredients weren't adjusted, -or- fit in a function of whatever nature of the Shadow sense to keep within theme of the weapon.

Since all we have now is a supposed Shadow type weapon with absolutely nothing relating to Shadow on it. Not very thematic by any means.

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: Razer on May 25, 2009, 03:46:16 pm

It was changed to WW 4 because of one certain high profile LK whining like hell about it. Although, he d always enter PVP with pre buffs , FCP and a sister or cousin as a HP but yet for some reason he whined when the weight nerf was coming as result adding Ww 4 to it.

They should really re - open this SQIs for discussion. It needs to be adjusted to ww2. 5 elements on one SQI is ridiculous.

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: kurip on May 25, 2009, 04:02:51 pm

cursed water is supposed to endow weapons with shadow element. not 100% sure though

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: Razer on May 25, 2009, 04:15:01 pm

Not on our server. It was removed since it can break PVP.

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: SwiftStrike on May 25, 2009, 05:51:44 pm

with cursed its still 0dmg on bathory/ED lol..(a few servers they actually had the WW sign when used)
although i guess it would be unfair.

still is unreal though(not that anything is real)...nib so heavy and is one handed :D

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: Instigator on May 25, 2009, 07:02:05 pm

Quote from: Razerman on May 25, 2009, 04:15:01 pm

Not on our server. It was removed since it can break PVP.

wait i'm confused. Break as in break coding and bug out like potless pvp before maintenance or just make everyone broken using shadow and then all of the whine/hate/rant?  ???

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: Freestyle on May 25, 2009, 07:34:05 pm

The 2nd one.

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: Johnsu on May 26, 2009, 09:48:02 am

I dont really want every tom dick and harry having shadow elements ]:

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: kurip on May 26, 2009, 09:52:31 am

its off topic but wtv
i guess the resist cold/fire/wind/earth pots are disabled too

the icon doesnt appear either even though i already saw it when exploring the .grf files


or does it?

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: 0ur0bur0s on May 26, 2009, 10:12:35 am

The Nibelungen can also give bonuses against Holy property monsters, like Orc Skeleton card effect. :]

Or make Nibel users take more damage with holy attacks, so priests can actually use aspersio in WoE or sumthin. *shrugs*

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: Freestyle on May 26, 2009, 11:24:57 am

But... priests CAN use Aspersio in WoE already =/

Last I checked, Aspersio does 100% to all normal ele armor swaps, and more so on ED, 2x to Deviling, and bypasses elemental reductions via Valk Shield, TF/Valk Combo, Ele Resist Pots, WS Fire Reduc, etc. Only thing would be against Pally/Champ/HP/Gypsy, but that's part of elemental swapping metagame/who you target.

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: Nko-Foo on May 26, 2009, 04:03:47 pm

If it really bothers you that much you should just make a suggestion to redo the ingredients. :/
There's much less potential to damage game mechanics that way.
>Suiken has stuff related to poison still in its req's; Nib isn't the only SQI where the effects were updated, but not the ingredients...

Title: Re: Nibelungen and Shadow
Post by: 0ur0bur0s on May 26, 2009, 04:52:52 pm

Just wanted to know why Nibelungen has no effects related to Shadow property. Not gonna make a suggestion to change it as its current effects are fine.

Maybe adding four Three-headed Dragon's head (http://ratemyserver.net/item_db.php?item_id=7443&small=1&back=1) monster drop would justify the four warmwinds.

Suiken:

Suiken's elemental property is water. Half or a third of suiken's ingredients are water-related.: broken liquor jar, marine sphere card, alcohol, mystic frozen.

Jeweled ores are probably there due to TaoGunka usually casting spirit destruction, which burns SP (like asura's cost).

Giant butterfly wings and Bee stings probably came from the boxing phrase "Swing like a butterfly, sting like a bee".

Waghnak and Berserk are fist weapons. Executioner's mitten is a worn glove or sumthin.

Caramel cards for the increased damage on insect monsters.

Poison bottles are instant death when ingested. Instant death = OnehitKO = Asuaa.