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Title: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 08:03:07 am

hello well first of all i would like to thank all the GMS for the great job they have done bringing up this server back up again.
Okay well this is my real concern and i hope many of you will sympathize with my case.

AND BEFORE READING ID LIKE TO ADRESS THIS : To the rest of the ppl that say i deserved getting banned becuase i robbed AnimaRO. HAHA!! :-X First of all i donated WAY more than what i so "robbed" Its so funny to mention that becuase you are  doing the same to iRO. And no one seems to complaint??? So i guess if AnimaRO crashed...they had deserved it?  8)

About a year ago i found this great private server called AnimaRO and i really really got into it since it was much similar to IRO. As i started playing and training i became a wizard and i asked many ppl the best equips for a WIZARD and many of them said to get IC GEAR. When i found out how expensive it was i thought of donating money to the server but since i didnt have alot of money there was nothing i could do. So then i saw these things called SPONSOR ADS which gave you 20 cents and up to 5 dollars if you would do them. So i did them and i came up with about 50$. So i realized that this wasnt enough for instant casting gear. So then i thought, " why not create another account and do these offers again so i can get 50$ more and buy KAHO HORNS at least" And so i did, but since i didnt read the rules i didnt know that what i was doing was AD FRAUDING and that your account could be banned for this. So i created 2 more accounts this time not all  SPONSOR ADS worked and i was only able to come up with about 30$more so in total i had 80$. So then i used my moms credit card and i donated 30$ to the server so all together i had 110$. So there it was...i was really happy since i was on my journey to becoming an IC Wizard. Couple of days passed and i saw something really particular that grabbed my attention...MANY PEOPLE IN ANIMARO WERE BEGINING TO GET BANNED FOR AD FRAUDING (WHAT I DID) So then i was really worried that i was going to get banned...but for some reason they didnt catch me so i kept on playing. As soon as i found out about this...i stopped ad frauding and i really needed (moonlight flower card, 2 sting cards) for instant casting. So i grabbed my Moms Credit Card and i begun to do the ad sponsors that required you to pay like 3.99$ - 7.99$ and in exchange they gave you $15 - 25$ of CREDIT in ANIMARO. So i did most of them i and got my IC WIZARD and i created another character (SIN). I began to work(part time job) for animaro and the equips i needed were fairly easy for me to get since i worked. I spent alot of  money on ANIMARO and everything was going swell until i got BANNED!!!
I wasted alot of money on AnimaRO and i got banend because of what i did before (precisely 2 months before). I was really mad since i did stop AD FRAUDING. I would send the GMS many TICKETS telling them my story but all they would say was, "If you did stop AD FRAUDING...that doesnt change the fact you still did it...its like if a person robbed a bank and afterwards said sorry...that wouldnt change the fact that he still robbed the bank." and i would tell them, "Yeah i guess thats true but you still took the money you had as much fault as i did...and it was a win loose situation since they kept the money) I would tell them this..and they would just close my ticket. So i just felt really sad because of all the effort i had put into AnimaRO "The server that truly cared for PLAYERS"

All this happened like in January or February
I seriously wouldnt have gotten mad if they wouldve banned me right when i began to "AD FRAUD" since i really didnt give any money to ANIMARO. So here i am...as soon as i found out AnimaRO was up and in hands of new GMS i thought of asking them for forgiveness and hopefully they would unban me. So i did and GM TALIS said that i couldnt be unbanned since ALL THE BANS THAT WERE PUT BEFORE HAD A REASON. But that wasnt my case i know i did AD FRAUD but i stopped. So since GM TALIS has no clue that i really did stop ad frauding and that probly all this im making up( since all the data was wiped out) i had  a great IDEA!. WHY NOT GET THE TRANSFERS FROM THE BANK TO PROVE TO GM TALIS THAT I DID STOP AD FRAUDING AS SOON AS I FOUND OUT AND THAT I BEGAN TO DO OTHER SPONSORS WITH MY MOMS CREDIT CARD. AND ALL THE MONEY I DONATED WOULD ALSO BE ON THE TRANSFERS FROM THE BANK. AND ALSO I WAS WILLING TO PAY 100$ in donations ( for nothing in exchange )

The reason AnimaRO banned me was because they didnt like the fact that ANIMARO PLAYERS were making ANIMARO look bad with ANIMARO SPONSORS. Since ANTHEMRO has no SPONSORS...they should consider unban me since i have done nothing to them(of course with the proof of the transfers to show them that i did stop ad frauding as soon as i found out)  and i really didnt ad fraud i only created 2 accounts and got off of it 30$ which im willing to pay back(im willing to pay 100$ for nothing in return)


So i say who's with me? Who should think GM TALIS should consider unbanning me if i give him the Transfers from the BANK? I know GM Talis would do the right thing and should think about this since im a Player too just like he used to be.

also  i now realize that was my mistake and Im truly sorry. Just like the old AnimaRO crew was for the SERVER CRASH. and still...people gave them a second chance, why shouldnt they give me one? I didnt do it on purpose...just like the GMS. It wasnt their fault the SERVER CRASHED...or maybe it was for not taking precautions,but they said sorry from their bottom of their hearts and they were forgiven, eventhough saying SORRY didnt change the fact that many players didnt get their AD CREDITS back...the same with my case, it was insome ways my fault...but i changed. Thanks Alot for all your Comments.

THANK YOU FOR READING THIS AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN POST SOME COMMENTS WITH YOUR OPINION

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Mirandu on December 22, 2007, 08:13:01 am

Well.. paying 100$ JUST FOR NOTHING, only to get yourself unbanned....

Oh well, dude. You did Ad Frauding, okay. But it was your fault since you didn't read the rules.

And by the way, there's another rule, saying that the GMs reserve the right to ban immediately without reason (and there was a reason).

Well, you shouldn't have put that much money into the server. You should rather have requested to get your DONATED money back, the money you spent into the game in these two months. I don't know if it worked, but I think it's kinda mean not to ban you for frauding, keep the money and ban you afterwards. It's still a game, but oh well.

I don't think Talis still has all these bank transfers and ad logs, since most of the ad logs disappeared with the forum being down.


In my opinion, you think you can solve everything with your money. Well, for that reason, I do not sympathize with you. You come a bit too late, eh? Anyway, it won't change a thing if people sympathize with you. Talis won't unban you. Period.

But I have to agree, it was wrong of the GMs to "keep" the money you donated. But oh well.. old, old times; new, new GMs.
Sorry.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 08:17:22 am

Yeah man i know. GM TALIS doesnt have the TRANSFERS but my moms BANK does. So yeah...and no, i was going to ask them for my money back but they said " ITS  A DONATION..." so i couldnt get my money back. Which sucked...and i didnt even want my money back all wanted was to play bro.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 08:18:18 am

OH SORRY I MEANT LIKE IF GIVE 100$ TO AnthemRO i wouldnt get nothing in exchange like 100 CREDITS TO SPEND ON ITEMS....I WOULD GET NOTHING! JUST A DONATION TO PAY FOR THE "30$" I AD FRAUDED. And come on GM TALIS..you told me to start fresh...i had alot of equips that were really expensive. i tried starting all over but its so boring since evertime play...i remember all the stuff i had and i get mad and sad!

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 08:24:04 am

and since the bank has the transfers and stuff. and all this was like a year old...they charge me 5$ for every copy i make. and 1 copy = 1 month. And i transfered money from like i think november - January so thats 15$ which is not much but still...im willing to do anything to get my account back. And about reading the rules...come on...i dont think much ppl read the rules because if they would...AnthemRO would have NO BANS. it was just a mistake i did...and ppl deserve 2 chances. EXCEPT FOR BOTS! and i would get if i wouldve stold like 1000$ from AD FRAUDING but it was only 30$.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Mirandu on December 22, 2007, 08:35:26 am

Quote from: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 08:24:04 am ppl deserve 2 chances. EXCEPT FOR BOTS! and i would get if i wouldve stold like 1000$ from AD FRAUDING but it was only 30$.

That's true. SOME people deserve a second chance. But not the people who did it on purpose. I'm not saying you did, but the GMs can't differentiate between these two kinds of people. It's the internet, 90% of the people are lying for selfish gain. So it's an unpleasant, but necessary decision made by the GMs.  :-\

Quote from: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 08:24:04 am And about reading the rules...come on...i dont think much ppl read the rules because if they would...AnthemRO would have NO BANS.

Yeah, not too much people do it, but they rather should. You can't be let go because you murdered someone and said, "Oh, sorry, I didn't know the laws."


And btw: ONLY 30$.. for me, it's pretty much. But oh well..


Oh, and do not triple post >.< Use the "Modify" button to edit your posts.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 08:54:13 am

thats another story my man. since we were born we were taught not to murder. thats an obvious NO NO. I didnt read the rules thats all...i thought AnimaRO is  GOING TO GET THE MONEY ANYWAYS SO IT SHOULDNT BE BAD. thats all. and i have proof that i did stop ad frauding. Why didnt i continue to do it? Its all in the BANK TRANSFERS. And thank you for telling me about the EDIT thingy.  :laugh:

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Aozora on December 22, 2007, 09:06:44 am

You frauded and got banned, you even admitted that you frauded so why should the GM's unban you?
"But I stopped doing it! I only frauded a little D:"

You frauded, that's it. It doesn't matter if you stopped, it doesn't matter if you regret it. The fact remains that you broke a rule that was clearly stated in the rules section. Ad frauding is a bannable offense, you ad frauded thus you should be banned. If Talis says that all bans from Anima will remain in Anthem then that's it, your appeal got denied by the server owner. Go make a new account and maybe read the rules this time.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 09:13:29 am

yeah i get that. but the problem is that they waited until i spent alot of money on this and once i stopped...then they banned me. it was clearly stated that " I WOULDNT HAVE GOTTEN MAD IF THEY WOULDVE BANNED ME RIGHT AFTER I AD FRAUDED" but no...they waited until i gave them so much money...if they wouldve banned me right then...isnt that something? i couldve started a new account and wasted the money i did on the new account and still be playing with all my equips...you would definitely understand my situation if it would've happened to you. but none of the less...i respect your opinion and its greatly appreciated even if we dont agree. :laugh:

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Mirandu on December 22, 2007, 09:17:18 am

Quote from: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 09:13:29 am

yeah i get that. but the problem is that they waited until i spent alot of money on this and once i stopped...then they banned me. it was clearly stated that " I WOULDNT HAVE GOTTEN MAD IF THEY WOULDVE BANNED ME RIGHT AFTER I AD FRAUDED" but no...they waited until i gave them so much money...isnt that something? you would definitely understand my situation if it would've happened to you. but none of the less...i respect your opinion even if we dont agree.

Well, it would be a wrong thing to do this if the GMs KNEW that you ad frauded. But if they didn't know you frauded, and found out two months later.. well, what do you think, are they supposed to do? They have to ban you. That's it.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 09:22:56 am

Actually i remember that they posted i think 3 threads with names of ad frauders. None of them contained my name. Until the 4th i think. i understand the rules now and what i did was wrong and that i did indeed deserve to get banned...but what about all of the money i donated for me to have my equips and play? and in the end the system crashed... and here i am...waiting for GM TALIS to reply.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Aozora on December 22, 2007, 09:55:20 am

You said in your opening post that you already got a reply from him -_-

Quote from: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 08:03:07 am

I seriously wouldnt have gotten mad if they wouldve banned me right when i began to "AD FRAUD" since i really didnt give any money to ANIMARO. So here i am...as soon as i found out AnimaRO was up and in hands of new GMS i thought of asking them for forgiveness and hopefully they would unban me. So i did and GM TALIS said that i couldnt be unbanned since ALL THE BANS THAT WERE PUT BEFORE HAD A REASON.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 10:00:29 am

and man that is true even if i ad frauded just 30$ i still ad frauded. but i didnt know it was considered that. other wise i wouldnt have done it. and as soon as i found out I STOPPED! WHY ELSE WOULD I STOP AD FRAUDING? it might not sound believeable but it is. Its all in the TRANSFERS in my moms BANK. Im not lying. If GM TALIS wants the TRANSFERS ill give it it to him. And yes i did ask him but i didnt tell him the whole story until he closed my ticket and then i opened up a new one asking him  and telling him my whole story. thanks alot for your comments anyways. you guys took some of  your time to debate on this, thanks.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: DirtySanchez on December 22, 2007, 10:05:15 am

You gained $100 dollars by sponsers?! Holy Shit, the most I've ever made via sponsers/add credit is about $10 over the span of 18months. I work my ass off just for a god damn Doppel card for god sake, and you get spoonfed kahos?

Fortunatly you can start again, and feel what it's like to start without your precious ad credit, which some of us endured. But personally, You deserve everything you fucking get.


Sorry for the language but I'm tierd, and now very angry.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Sapphirion on December 22, 2007, 10:30:09 am

wats done cannot be undone and the GMs will most probably not believe u cause more than half of the ppl on the net lies for profit even if u got some proof... sorry man just start all over again and work hard and u'll become rich without ADs

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Lily on December 22, 2007, 10:41:12 am

I can sort of relate. I know players that unintentionally ad frauded, and later realized their mistake, stopping soon thereafter. I understand your desire to fix past wrongs, but, well, Mirandu worded it nicely.

Quote

SOME people deserve a second chance. But not the people who did it on purpose. I'm not saying you did, but the GMs can't differentiate between these two kinds of people. It's the internet, 90% of the people are lying for selfish gain. So it's an unpleasant, but necessary decision made by the GMs.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 03:24:58 pm

obviously DIRTY SANCHEZ did not read my thread. I ONLY GAINES 30$ FROM AD FRAUDING. It was a simple mistake I now realize and i get taht the GM banned me because, i did indeed ad fraud but it wasnt worth it since t9hey knew i stopped and i instead donated from my money but the GMS didnt care. hopefully GM TALIS can understand. if he see's the transfers from the BANK.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 03:54:29 pm

And to the rest of the ppl that say i deserved getting banned becuase i robbed AnimaRO. HAHA!! :-X First of all i donated WAY more than what i so "robbed" Its so funny to mention that becuase you are  doing the same to iRO. And no one seems to complaint??? So i guess if AnimaRO crashed...they had deserved it?

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: (^^\(O....O)/^^) on December 22, 2007, 05:59:43 pm

*blah blah blah blah blah*

I didn't bother reading your huge block of text full of worthless, false justifications.

I'm just going to say, you deserve to be banned if you ad frauded. So what if you donated more? Ad fraud is ad fraud.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Aozora on December 22, 2007, 07:34:14 pm

Ad fraud is an ad fraud. You still broke the rules no matter how little you frauded. Your justifications for an unban are weak and really give no reason to unban you.
You said you only frauded a little, but you still frauded and frauding is a bannable offense
You stopped after you realized that it was against the rules to do it, but you still frauded and frauding is a bannable offense
The reason why they banned you after you donated was probably because they don't have a magic button that lights up every single time someone frauds. It takes a while to find the frauders considering that there are thousands and thousands of forum accounts.
Besides why the hell are you even going through all the trouble of making a forum thread if the SERVER OWNER ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT YOU CAN'T BE UNBANNED I'm 100% sure that this forum thread won't help you in any way if you were already turned down by the server owner.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Windstar on December 22, 2007, 09:13:03 pm

just create a new account? >>" u cant get the ADs back anywayz cuz there was a data wipeout

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: balam on December 22, 2007, 09:22:18 pm

you cant prove you just fraud for $ 30, but anyway find new ways maybe prove that you donated *certain amount of $* and ask to be credited 50% or something, 50% aint much i know...

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Sapphirion on December 22, 2007, 11:03:49 pm

also 30$ isnt such a low amount  :P

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Haruwa on December 22, 2007, 11:19:07 pm

After the data wipe hundreds of ad credits were restored to people who only lost about $20 so refusing to work with someone who's trying to work with you over $30 is a bit much and seems more about money than the happiness of the players. All in all you should never cheat and reading the rules should be a given but if you genuinely don't know you did something wrong and people just punish you without really explaining the how and why you won’t really learn anything. I think if you pay back what you owe and then some as well as formally apologize and have really never done it again then there is no reason not to give you a chance. Maybe not give you all your IC gear but still a second chance. Not to mention people who don't really ad fraud can be banned on this server without doing anything at all. The way the banning is on the server now is a bit...uncompromising and in supplication for those who don't deserve it at all but still get hassled by a less than fool proof system second chances should be given to those who really change. As well as a more understanding approach to people whom are only in the wrong due to misunderstandings. People also aren’t supposed to kill steal but I was stalked, looted and kill stealed by the same person for over a week. Even though he was reported and I uploaded screen shots he was never banned for it. In fact the only thing that ever did happen to him was getting muted for street chats. At any rate the rules should not be selective if people are going to be this harsh over breaking this rule then it should go across the board.

Then again that's just what I think so anything I say is pretty much worthless.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: lugsy on December 22, 2007, 11:41:16 pm

Letting you back because you pay 100$ would look really bad on their part.
Then everyone would think they could just bribe the Gm's to do anything.
Also, isn't Ad fraud supposed to be a ip ban? :/ meaning you should be happy that you can start on a new account?

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 12:18:30 am

I Appreciate all the comments but its just really up to the GMS. And im not paying 100$ to bribe the GMS. Its like a fee that i think I owe, and for the GMS to see that I truly care about this server and that I'm willing to do anything to get my stuff back. And i also think that banning someone becuase they AD FRAUDED isnt really fair. I mean they take the money anyways...and end up banning you. If its such a crime...shouldnt the GMS take the fault as well. The thing is, i did change and people might not believe me...and like HARUWA said...people deserve second chances only if they really changed, i did indeed change. The Transfers would show that i did. Games are meant to be played...i know AD FRAUDING in a way is cheating...but i didnt know that since i thought that GMS wouldnt care if i would AD FRAUD since they would get the money anyways. But i now realize that was my mistake and Im truly sorry. Just like GM TALIS and the rest of the AnimaRO crew was for the SERVER CRASH. and still...people gave them a second chance, why shouldnt they give me one? I didnt do it on purpose...just like the GMS. It wasnt their fault the SERVER CRASHED...or maybe it was for not taking precautions, the same with my case, it was insome ways my fault...but i changed. Thanks Alot for all your Comments.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Roodmistah on December 23, 2007, 02:12:04 am

Take the 100$ instead of trying to get your account unbanned rebuild a new one with that 100$? you can get a bunch of IC gear with that. They won't unban an ad frauder mind as well put the 100$ to good use

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: agent_47 on December 23, 2007, 02:29:03 am

i feel you crazy assasin..me either i got addicted in donating that time and donated alot thats why im stuck in my high debts as of now ..i was stupid yeha becoz i expected to be the best and truly yeah this game is my happiness i dont got friends outside this game made me addicted..and yeah we are wrong also if we didnt read the rules in the first place.i feel you bro i feel you..

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: DirtySanchez on December 23, 2007, 03:42:49 am

Quote from: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 03:24:58 pm

obviously DIRTY SANCHEZ did not read my thread. I ONLY GAINES 30$ FROM AD FRAUDING. It was a simple mistake I now realize and i get taht the GM banned me because, i did indeed ad fraud but it wasnt worth it since t9hey knew i stopped and i instead donated from my money but the GMS didnt care. hopefully GM TALIS can understand. if he see's the transfers from the BANK.

You'r right I didn't read it properly, it was 3am, sorry. However, my comment was only partially directed at you (again, sorry it wasn't worded well). I was more shocked by the fact that US players are able to get access to $50 ad credit for nothing. While others, in particular Shane (/pat) got given shit. It just shows how much the sponsers ruined AnimaRo, ad fruaders and discrimination was a factor that led to it's demise. Hopefully, Anthem doesn't tread in these footsteps and god forbid if we ever have to see sponsers ever again.

For some reason as I was pushing my lawn mower and trimming hedges (I'm a gardener by trade) this damn thread was on my mind. Now comes the time I move to you Mr.Assassin.  Firstly your tone and CAPITAL letters piss me off as well as your feudal attempts to present yourself as the victim, sorry but it's true.
Ok, You say this happened in January, this year? Mate, I've been here for a long time trust me. I know for a fact that 'Ad frauding' was way before your time here, and was a rule. By playing this game, you must read the rules before playing. There is no excuse.
I must admit, I even considered ad frauding when I first came here, but out of respect and logic, I never did. How could you believe you'd get away with it? Did you think you were the only one who'd try to fraud the system?
I do feel a little sympathy for you though, if your a kid (well, I don't really know that) working for something that you desire, only to loose it. At the same time, that annoys me too, two months of hard work you say? Hmm, I've been here 18 months starting from scratch, now that's hard work =/

I'm sorry you lost your money, I really am (only because your a kid), but as you may have heard "cheaters never prosper". Didn't anyone tell you that? It may've only been $30 to you, but consider the wider implications, if you can. Such as Shane and I, who work hard to get somewhere, as well as the servers image, and economy.
Also, the correct thing to do was to inform a GM immediatly about your 'accidental' ad fraud, it's not hard. I wouldn't have risked $80 of your 'real' money for an extra $30. I even ask if I can bot here for testing purposes for god sakes, It gets turned down, but at leased I ask. By complaining after the ban had been implemented, it makes you look desperate and weak, as if you expected to get away with it. "I don't do it anymore" is not very conincing either, considering you kept the benifits until the very end.
It's heart warming to feel the GMs did their job, and I'm proud of them, they work hard (I think? I get this image of them sitting with beers in hands laughing at things like this, I don't know why?).

All you had to do was post in the forums, pm a GM (hey that rhymes!) or support ticket when you noticed what had happened. You didn't. Instead waited for them to get you, thinking you'd get away with it. It doesn't matter how much you donated, or how much you contribute, there is no way you can your accounts/items back. Many respected players/donators have been banned for cheating the system, your not the first.

I had more arguments but I forgot them over the course of the day. Lesson learnt.

P.S 'alot' is two words.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: shane3x on December 23, 2007, 03:53:06 am

Quote from: DirtySanchez on December 23, 2007, 03:42:49 am

Quote from: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 03:24:58 pm

obviously DIRTY SANCHEZ did not read my thread. I ONLY GAINES 30$ FROM AD FRAUDING. It was a simple mistake I now realize and i get taht the GM banned me because, i did indeed ad fraud but it wasnt worth it since t9hey knew i stopped and i instead donated from my money but the GMS didnt care. hopefully GM TALIS can understand. if he see's the transfers from the BANK.

You'r right I didn't read it properly, it was 3am, sorry. However, my comment was only partially directed at you (again, sorry it wasn't worded well). I was more shocked by the fact that US players are able to get access to $50 ad credit for nothing. While others, in particular Shane (/pat) got given shit. It just shows how much the sponsers ruined AnimaRo, ad fruaders and discrimination was a factor that led to it's demise. Hopefully, Anthem doesn't tread in these footsteps and god forbid if we ever have to see sponsers ever again.

For some reason as I was pushing my lawn mower and trimming hedges (I'm a gardener by trade) this damn thread was on my mind. Now comes the time I move to you Mr.Assassin.  Firstly your tone and CAPITAL letters piss me off as well as your feudal attempts to present yourself as the victim, sorry but it's true.
Ok, You say this happened in January, this year? Mate, I've been here for a long time trust me. I know for a fact that 'Ad frauding' was way before your time here, and was a rule. By playing this game, you must read the rules before playing. There is no excuse.
I must admit, I even considered ad frauding when I first came here, but out of respect and logic, I never did. How could you believe you'd get away with it? Did you think you were the only one who'd try to fraud the system?
I do feel a little sympathy for you though, if your a kid (well, I don't really know that) working for something that you desire, only to loose it. At the same time, that annoys me too, two months of hard work you say? Hmm, I've been here 18 months starting from scratch, now that's hard work =/

I'm sorry you lost your money, I really am (only because your a kid), but as you may have heard "cheaters never prosper". Didn't anyone tell you that? It may've only been $30 to you, but consider the wider implications, if you can. Such as Shane and I, who work hard to get somewhere, as well as the servers image, and economy.
Also, the correct thing to do was to inform a GM immediatly about your 'accidental' ad fraud, it's not hard. I wouldn't have risked $80 of your 'real' money for an extra $30. I even ask if I can bot here for testing purposes for god sakes, It gets turned down, but at leased I ask. By complaining after the ban had been implemented, it makes you look desperate and weak, as if you expected to get away with it. "I don't do it anymore" is not very conincing either, considering you kept the benifits until the very end.
It's heart warming to feel the GMs did their job, and I'm proud of them, they work hard (I think? I get this image of them sitting with beers in hands laughing at things like this, I don't know why?).

All you had to do was post in the forums, pm a GM (hey that rhymes!) or support ticket when you noticed what had happened. You didn't. Instead waited for them to get you, thinking you'd get away with it. It doesn't matter how much you donated, or how much you contribute, there is no way you can your accounts/items back. Many respected players/donators have been banned for cheating the system, your not the first.

I had more arguments but I forgot them over the course of the day. Lesson learnt.

P.S 'alot' is two words.

I see my name twice in there.

/sigh

I'd like to add my opinion but then it would add to the drama already here.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 04:10:49 am

First of all i do not try to present my self as a victim because that wouldnt solve anything, and If i look like the victim then it proofs my point since im just telling the story how it happened. Im not trying to convince you since we all dont think alike.  And this happened about a year ago. I started playing animaro like October i think. I didnt read the rules as you can see otherwise i wouldve never AD FRAUDED. It would be another story then. And what benefits do you talk about? If Im banned and Lost Everything...what benefits are there? And If it isnt convincing then too bad, GM TALIS is the one who decides what happens...and it all comes to BANK TRANSFERS, its all the proof i can give. I get that 30$ might seem alot to some ppl, and it seems alot to me too, but not compared to what i Donated. And AD FRAUDING works for the benefit of AnimaRO. They keep the money anyways. And my logic towards AD FRAUDING was completely different from yours. I thought "hey theyre going to get the money anyways so why would it be bad?" I also started from scratch youre not the only one. And if i robbed from AnimaRO AD SPONSORS...so did AnimaRO. So in the end, they kept all the money and ended up banning me bud. I guess You care so much and thank the GMS for banning me, but AnimaRO steals players(along with that comes money) from iRO and no one is complaining. But of course no one sees that. When the server crashed and many of the DONATIONS were lost, all the GMS said was that they were TRULY sorry from the bottom of their hearts. And of course you all forgave them Eventhough stating that wouldnt change anything. Same thing with me but since you all hate AD FRAUDERS so much because they prosper more than you do by cheating, and i would hate that too, that wasnt the reason i stopped...the reason i stopped ad frauding was because i didnt want to get banned since i really enjoyed this server. But I think i deserve a second chance and if i ad frauded for KAHOS...take it i dont really mind all i care for is playing with my old characters and this server. Forgiveness is the key word and you all used it when this server came back up, but forgot about it since what i did was somewhat alike to the situation GM TALIS/Others was on.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 04:15:49 am

Shane, go ahead man. Post up your opinion towards this THREAD, thats why i posted this up. Its your opinion anyways, you cant be wrong or right.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: agent_47 on December 23, 2007, 04:16:01 am

Quote from: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 04:10:49 am

First of all i do not try to present my self as a victim because that wouldnt solve anything, and If i look like the victim then it proofs my point since im just telling the story how it happened. Im not trying to convince you since we all dont think alike.  And this happened about a year ago. I started playing animaro like October i think. I didnt read the rules as you can see otherwise i wouldve never AD FRAUDED. It would be another story then. And what benefits do you talk about? If Im banned and Lost Everything...what benefits are there? And If it isnt convincing then too bad, GM TALIS is the one who decides what happens...and it all comes to BANK TRANSFERS, its all the proof i can give. I get that 30$ might seem alot to some ppl, and it seems alot to me too, but not compared to what i Donated. And AD FRAUDING works for the benefit of AnimaRO. They keep the money anyways. And my logic towards AD FRAUDING was completely different from yours. I thought "hey theyre going to get the money anyways so why would it be bad?" I also started from scratch youre not the only one. And if i robbed from AnimaRO AD SPONSORS...so did AnimaRO. So in the end, they kept all the money and ended up banning me bud. I guess You care so much and thank the GMS for banning me, but AnimaRO steals players(along with that comes money) from iRO and no one is complaining. But of course no one sees that. When the server crashed and many of the DONATIONS were lost, all the GMS said was that they were TRULY sorry from the bottom of their hearts. And of course you all forgave them Eventhough stating that wouldnt change anything. Same thing with me but since you all hate AD FRAUDERS so much because they prosper more than you do by cheating, and i would hate that too, that wasnt the reason i stopped...the reason i stopped ad frauding was because i didnt want to get banned since i really enjoyed this server. But I think i deserve a second chance and if i ad frauded for KAHOS...take it i dont really mind all i care for is playing with my old characters and this server. Forgiveness is the key word and you all used it when this server came back up, but forgot about it since what i did was somewhat alike to the situation GM TALIS/Others was on.

yeah i lost my ads too and never came back sigh for me

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: shane3x on December 23, 2007, 04:25:43 am

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I didnt read the rules as you can see otherwise i wouldve never AD FRAUDED

Ignorance is no excuse.

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And AD FRAUDING works for the benefit of AnimaRO

So by cheating the sponsors and making them not want to continue business with us thats helping?

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but AnimaRO steals players(along with that comes money) from iRO

yes anthemro along with all other private aegis servers out there are illegal but iRO makes more money then any private server and it would not gain a lot by suing all of these servers (legal costs and time would far exceed any gains)

I do not live in the US so i dont have access to sponsors but i stopped caring about that long ago. What my problem is that many players who do have access to them are abusing them and that i dont agree with, which to sum this whole thread up you done. Have you noticed basically everyone who has posted in this thread doesnt agree with you?

Quote from: Aozora on December 22, 2007, 07:34:14 pm

Ad fraud is an ad fraud. You still broke the rules no matter how little you frauded. Your justifications for an unban are weak and really give no reason to unban you.
You said you only frauded a little, but you still frauded and frauding is a bannable offense
You stopped after you realized that it was against the rules to do it, but you still frauded and frauding is a bannable offense
The reason why they banned you after you donated was probably because they don't have a magic button that lights up every single time someone frauds. It takes a while to find the frauders considering that there are thousands and thousands of forum accounts.
Besides why the hell are you even going through all the trouble of making a forum thread if the SERVER OWNER ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT YOU CAN'T BE UNBANNED I'm 100% sure that this forum thread won't help you in any way if you were already turned down by the server owner.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Macabre on December 23, 2007, 04:33:12 am

The rules regarding Ad Credit are clear and simple. Frauding on your part was not a mistake. It was deliberate and you were caught.

About donating more than you "robbed," well, that doesn't mean anything.

If a woman gives birth to 10 children, but decides to murder another, it's still murder. It doesn't change the ruling.

Ad Fraud is a low, and ridiculous thing to do. The credit system provided by the Management team is a gift to the players. It helps them acquire things they want through easier means. When people exploit this, it's rather pathetic, and unfair.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 04:56:56 am

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And AD FRAUDING works for the benefit of AnimaRO

So by cheating the sponsors and making them not want to continue business with us thats helping?

And taking the money is?

but AnimaRO steals players(along with that comes money) from iRO

yes anthemro along with all other private aegis servers out there are illegal but iRO makes more money then any private server and it would not gain a lot by suing all of these servers (legal costs and time would far exceed any gains)

Doesnt really matter they're still taking players from iRO. Doesnt matter about the money, or suing...iRO looses money.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Macabre on December 23, 2007, 05:00:03 am

I was actually under the impression that private servers are not illegal unless either A. They demand money from their players, or B. Allow donations which benefit the server owners and not the servers themselves.

Therefore, since Anthem allows donations and does not force their players to donate, they are not breaking any laws there. Also, if all the donations recieved go into running and maintaining the server itself, there is no law-breaking there either.

That was my understanding.





I could be wrong. It has been known to happen...    From time to time.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 05:06:18 am

"About donating more than you "robbed," well, that doesn't mean anything."

Then you tell me what it means? It means they took the money i "ROBBED" and DONATED and banned me.
You tell me, what does that mean? If youre all using METAPHORS here goes mine.

-If a thief robs a bank by himself and gives half of that money to his friend and the friend accepts the money. They friend would go to jail aswell. No matter if he was with him or not, if he takes the money its like he's robbing the bank also.

"If a woman gives birth to 10 children, but decides to murder another, it's still murder. It doesn't change the ruling."

-Stop with those metaphors that dont really apply here. We grew up knowing not to murder, if you kill the consequences are obvious.

"Ad Fraud is a low, and ridiculous thing to do. The credit system provided by the Management team is a gift to the players. It helps them acquire things they want through easier means. When people exploit this, it's rather pathetic, and unfair."

-Unfair for who? the players? or the ad frauders? as far as im concerned every ad frauder was banned...whats so unfair about that?   take a look at me, am i playing on the server? NO. So it isnt UNFAIR. ::)

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 05:13:02 am

I was actually under the impression that private servers are not illegal unless either A. They demand money from their players, or B. Allow donations which benefit the server owners and not the servers themselves.

Therefore, since Anthem allows donations and does not force their players to donate, they are not breaking any laws there. Also, if all the donations recieved go into running and maintaining the server itself, there is no law-breaking there either.

That was my understanding.





I could be wrong. It has been known to happen...    From time to time.

Taking peoples stuff...drawings...programs...games... or what ever that have copyrights no matter what are still illegal.  I really doubt AnimaRO or AnthemRO give money to iRO.  Its like if i make many copies of a MOVIE with copyrights...doesnt matter if "i was trying to sell the movies for the PRODUCERS..."its still considered ILLEGAL.

Thats my understanding.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: shane3x on December 23, 2007, 05:22:58 am

He won't listen, When a GM comes in here you will be proved wrong and your account still banned.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 05:27:16 am

i wont listen to what SHANE? tell me if im wrong? YOU ROBBED THAT BANK SO IM GOING TO TAKE YOUR MONEY ANYWAY AND KEEP IT...that sounds really "legall"

and im not trying to start something. all im saying is people deserve second chances.

 if you all gave AnthemRO GMS another shot and forgave them...why cant you forgive me?
Why doesnt anyone reply to this?

Its practically the same scenario

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: shane3x on December 23, 2007, 05:35:49 am

Quote from: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 05:27:16 am

i wont listen to what SHANE? tell me if im wrong? YOU ROBBED THAT BANK SO IM GOING TO TAKE YOUR MONEY ANYWAY AND KEEP IT...that sounds really "legall"

and im not trying to start something. all im saying is people deserve second chances.

 if you all gave AnthemRO GMS another shot and forgave them...why cant you forgive me?
Why doesnt anyone reply to this?

Its practically the same scenario

Most of the AnthemRO GM's are different people. Many people since the server opened have come to these forums asking to have accounts unbanned (from anima) for various reasons and have used many excuses but to my knowledge none of those people got their accounts back.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 05:41:36 am

hmm that sucks...
i hope my case is different.

because i really enjoyed playing with my old characters just like all of you do.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: shane3x on December 23, 2007, 06:11:15 am

Quote from: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 05:41:36 am

hmm that sucks...
i hope my case is different.

because i really enjoyed playing with my old characters just like all of you do.

But most of us haven't broken rules to warrant a ban.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Haruwa on December 23, 2007, 06:28:36 am

I was going to ignore this thread after my first post but seeing as there are a few vindictive people leaving comments I’ll leave one of my own in response.

The rules may be clear and simple but depending on who the offender is the situation is handled differently. You may say ad frauding is bad but what about the people who legitimately did those ads or the ones who god forbid, paid out money to those sponsors only to have it taken away when the site was lost and received no compensation because we didn’t make a direct donation. The fact that AnimaRO had sponsored ads up saying you would be given a certain amount of ad credit only to have you spend your time and money then give you nothing in return is technically scamming the player. So by your own logic that would make AnthemRO ad frauders for not having said sponsor return my money or at least the ads for the ones I paid out money for. Heck if they knew the site was having issues they never should have left the sponsors up.  Because I didn’t donate the money directly to AnthemRO I had to wait for said sponsor to send a verification that didn’t come before the site went down. So I got scammed by the sponsors system and didn’t cheat at all are you saying I still deserved what I got? Instead of thinking of AnthemRO as scammers I took part of the blame for not noticing the decay of the sponsors system and let it go. Even though I have the least amount of blame in this case it’s still somewhat my fault for doing the sponsored ads since it gave more money than just plain donating. If I can forgive and forget because I noticed AnthemRO was trying to change for the better other people who are supposed to be better than me should be able to do the same. Besides all things considered since the sponsors scammed players they deserved to be scammed themselves. You can’t scam other people and then get made because they did it back to you.

And to those who can only laugh at others and get joy from telling them how much they deserved it. Comments like that aren’t needed and if you can’t be constructive about what you say you don’t need to say it at all. People like you who say useless things that aren’t needed just to try and hurt other people make this server far worse than an ad frauder ever will.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: DirtySanchez on December 23, 2007, 06:36:09 am

I tried to be reasonable...

Quote from: shane3x on December 23, 2007, 05:22:58 am

He won't listen, When a GM comes in here you will be proved wrong and your account still banned.

Oh don't you just love that part of the day?

Benifts = Whatever you bought with that $30, how you used it, and exp/zeny you gained from that item (I didn't explain that part well).

I don't think saying Anthem steals from iRO is a good idea either, the GMs gods might get angry and throw lightning bolts or something =/

P.S In between the time I posted my last comment, 'alot' is still two words

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 06:44:17 am

im not saying that AnthemRO steals money from iRO. I clearly said my friend "AnthemRO steals players from iRO,(along with that comes money) Im just saying if they do that why cant they forgive me? You guys forgave the GMS for the server crash....why cant you all do the same for me? You guys just look at the bad thing i did which was AD FRAUD 30$. But in the end...those 30$ i Ad Frauded went to the SERVER...to make it a better one along with my donations. They kept the money anyways, and i got banned...so you tell me...who got the most out of this? me or AnimaRO?

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 06:46:06 am

Thanks alot for all the posts. Not favoring HARUWA...but you should check out both of his posts.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 06:51:15 am

Quote from: shane3x on Today at 06:22:58 AM
He won't listen, When a GM comes in here you will be proved wrong and your account still banned.
Oh don't you just love that part of the day?

Why are you really sarcastic. like HARUWA said:

And to those who can only laugh at others and get joy from telling them how much they deserved it. Comments like that aren’t needed and if you can’t be constructive about what you say you don’t need to say it at all. People like you who say useless things that aren’t needed just to try and hurt other people make this server far worse than an ad frauder ever will.0

I really dont know what your problem is DIRTY SANCHEZ. but none of the less its your opinion...appreciate it.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: shane3x on December 23, 2007, 07:06:38 am

Dude, the reality is your account will not become playable again. All you can do now is take whatever stuff you have and create a new account. Learn to play the game without donating like many of us do.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 07:10:24 am

well thanks for your negativities. haha jk.
well hopefully that wont happen.
i have a very positive mind. so yeah.
thanks for posts

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: shane3x on December 23, 2007, 07:14:16 am

You might want to change your signature then, especially this part.

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Just like GM TALIS and the rest of the AnimaRO crew was for the SERVER CRASH.

The current GM's of anthem (most) has nothing to do with animas closure.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 07:18:13 am

ohhh haha.
well sorry.
i meant like THE old AnimaRO crew.

hopefully what i said wont get me in trouble man!!
imagine they unban me for ad frauding but ban me for saying that.

haha that would be funny...and suck too. xD

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Haruwa on December 23, 2007, 07:57:16 am

I'm a she not a he.  :'(

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: DirtySanchez on December 23, 2007, 09:26:28 am

As we move into closure. Key points are extracted:
- Alot is spelt 'a lot'
- These topics give me something to think about as I rake up the leaves.
- Shane is a sarcastic wanker =3
- Haru is a he not a she
- I don't like kids with mum's credit card
- Kids don't like men with brooms
- Sponsers suck, period
- Haruwa thinks Australians are vindicative assholes
- Shane and I are Aussies
- Haruwa is probebly correct D=

And I leave very confused.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Haruwa on December 23, 2007, 09:38:56 am

Wah I never said anyone is an ass I just ment you shouldn't be so harsh with others. Or at least keep your thoughts to yourself if they aren't helpful.  And again for the last time I'm a girl!!!

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: fl0om on December 23, 2007, 10:14:47 am

hm ... also those comparisons made me lol. this is a game xD

this guy did much more then many of us for the server itself if he donated more then he frauded o.o

if this fraud was a single mistake he made in the beginning of his Ro career, i'd vote for a unban ;D (even if this is very improbable to happen)

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Aozora on December 23, 2007, 10:50:05 am

Seriously, stop posting.

Read your opening post, there's one statement in there that makes this whole thread and every single argument you can throw out there moot and pointless.

Quote from: CrazyAssasin on December 22, 2007, 08:03:07 am

So i did and GM TALIS said that i couldnt be unbanned since ALL THE BANS THAT WERE PUT BEFORE HAD A REASON.

Even if you stopped, even if you donated more then you stole, no matter what kind of argument or a crappy excuse you gave that does not change the decision the the SERVER OWNER MADE

IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU STOPPED AD FRAUDING! IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU DONATED MORE THEN YOU FRAUDED! IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU HAD GODLY GEARS! IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU DID! YOU STILL BROKE THE RULES AND DESERVE YOUR BAN!

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 01:05:03 pm

Once again Aozora...GM TALIS said that people couldnt be unbanned but that was before i explained to him the situation. For all he knew i could've be making all of this up.  The bank transfers will show everything. And yes it does matter that i did in fact stop ad frauding because by the time i got banned...i had donated way more.  And even if AD FRAUDING is so bad and deserves an AUTOMATIC ban...i did it all for me.  In the end, the GMS got the money i "ad frauded" and the money i donated...washed their hands and banned me.  If they wouldve banned me right then and there when i AD FRAUDED...it wouldve been a complete different story since i could have donated all the money i did to a new character.  And its so weird because my friend LRAY happened to have ad frauded too, and he got banned right then...they didnt wait as long as they did for me.  And you cant tell people to stop posting...if you think this thread is pointless go find some other place you can post your arguments somewhere else.  And one last thing,

"Even if you stopped, even if you donated more then you stole, no matter what kind of argument or a crappy excuse you gave that does not change the decision the the SERVER OWNER MADE"

-Yes it does. It isnt a crappy excuse. I have proof my friend.


IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU STOPPED AD FRAUDING! IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU DONATED MORE THEN YOU FRAUDED! IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU HAD GODLY GEARS! IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU DID! YOU STILL BROKE THE RULES AND DESERVE YOUR BAN!

-And it did matter because im pretty sure when the server collapsed...im pretty sure it wasnt in the rules that IF THE SERVER CRASHES...THE GMS HAVE NO FAULT FOR LOST OF CREDIT. but in someway they did have somewhat fault in all this.
and what did all the GMS said? SORRY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEARTS. and there...easily forgiven. Even though "Sorry from the bottom of my heart" wouldnt change the fact that the lost of credit was unrepairable.Smae scenerio with me right? But no i say IM SORRY and people say "THAT WONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU STILL AD FRAUDED" Forgive people. Thats all im saying, specially when I contributed to this server as much as some people might have had.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: the_undutchable on December 23, 2007, 02:18:34 pm

1) You keep saying we have forgiven AnimaRO owners for the server crash and given them a second chance. This is completely irrelevant to your case. The AnimaRO GM's had no influence in the matter of the server crash. The server crash was due to the provider messing up. Also, it was just the website and forums that crashed. The game still worked until (what I think) the GM's decided to put together a new GM team and make a NEW server, but copying all the data from the OLD server so their population would still remain. The fact that the GM's said they were sorry from the bottom of their hearts for whatever inconvenience the website crash led to, is just an act of decency. It wasn't their fault the website crashed. The apology that they can't give back the ads that were on the acocunts, UNLESS paypal receipts were send along, wasn't needed really. They can't do that to prevent people from frauding the game. So that players are credited for something they didn't give. They didn't NEED to apologise.... They could've just said "We're not giving any ads back because the data was lost. Now go cry in the corner pl0x." The fact that the GM's didn't shows that they DO care about their players.

2) You have admitted you ad frauded. You waited for the GM's to ban you, whilst just continueing playing and donating. Then when they DID catch you and ban you, you go try to explain. It's like when you're a kid and you steal a candy when your parents have said you couldn't have one. You eat the candy and only when your parents find out you took one and punish you do you tell them what you did and apologise. Don't give me any crap that this is analogy is bullshit and not related, because it is.

3) When you make a new account, you HAVE to click a box saying "I've read the terms of agreement" In which is stated that a player must have read and know the rules when playing. This also includes Ad frauding. Saying you didn't read the rules before you ad frauded won't give you a "get unbanned for free" ticket. In fact, there is no way to get unbanned, unless there is clear proof that you were banned unjustly.

4) GM Talis said that you're not getting unbanned. No further explanation needed.

5) You complain that the GM's let you play longer after you ad frauded and that you'd rather have had the ban right after you did the ad frauding. It takes a while to catch all ad frauders. And as far as I remember it was only Gene/Xennith that was hunting down those ad frauders. It is very acceptable he only caught you 2 months after the offence. If you did get banned straight after you committed the frauding, you would've gotten an IP ban and you wouldn't have been able to play anyway.

6) Try placing yourself in a GM's position and you'd see yet another one of these posts. Just feel lucky they're letting you make a new account and ACTUALLY give you a 2ND chance here. If it was my call, ALL previous IP bans would still have their IP banned. (unless this data was lost as well of course)

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Aozora on December 23, 2007, 02:48:20 pm

Quote from: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 01:05:03 pm

Once again Aozora...GM TALIS said that people couldnt be unbanned but that was before i explained to him the situation. For all he knew i could've be making all of this up.  The bank transfers will show everything. And yes it does matter that i did in fact stop ad frauding because by the time i got banned...i had donated way more.  And even if AD FRAUDING is so bad and deserves an AUTOMATIC ban...i did it all for me.  In the end, the GMS got the money i "ad frauded" and the money i donated...washed their hands and banned me.  If they wouldve banned me right then and there when i AD FRAUDED...it wouldve been a complete different story since i could have donated all the money i did to a new character.  And its so weird because my friend LRAY happened to have ad frauded too, and he got banned right then...they didnt wait as long as they did for me.  And you cant tell people to stop posting...if you think this thread is pointless go find some other place you can post your arguments somewhere else.  And one last thing,

"Even if you stopped, even if you donated more then you stole, no matter what kind of argument or a crappy excuse you gave that does not change the decision the the SERVER OWNER MADE"

-Yes it does. It isnt a crappy excuse. I have proof my friend.


IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU STOPPED AD FRAUDING! IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU DONATED MORE THEN YOU FRAUDED! IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU HAD GODLY GEARS! IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU DID! YOU STILL BROKE THE RULES AND DESERVE YOUR BAN!

-And it did matter because im pretty sure when the server collapsed...im pretty sure it wasnt in the rules that IF THE SERVER CRASHES...THE GMS HAVE NO FAULT FOR LOST OF CREDIT. but in someway they did have somewhat fault in all this.
and what did all the GMS said? SORRY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEARTS. and there...easily forgiven. Even though "Sorry from the bottom of my heart" wouldnt change the fact that the lost of credit was unrepairable.Smae scenerio with me right? But no i say IM SORRY and people say "THAT WONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU STILL AD FRAUDED" Forgive people. Thats all im saying, specially when I contributed to this server as much as some people might have had.

For crying out loud -_-

It is a bannable offense to ad fraud, you ad frauded and thus your account was banned. There's nothing more to it. Your case is like "I frauded but I stopped, then I donated money and only after that was I banned! This is not right!!!11! The GM's should use their magical powers and catch every single ad frauder at the moment they start frauding!!1" The GM's can't do that. They can track frauders but the can never catch all of them at once

You have five arguments to justify your unbanning

1. I stopped ad frauding and I'm sorry. Please forgive me

Counter: It doesn't matter, you broke a rule and deserve a ban

2. I was only banned after I stopped frauding

Counter: You still frauded. If you break the rules at any time you can be banned for breaking them even years after the actual rule break.

3. I donated a lot to this server and have contributed to it.

Counter: It has never mattered who donated and who didn't when it comes to banning.

4. It's a new server and GM's should give me a new chance

Counter: No, they shouldn't. All Bans from Anima will remain in Anthem.

5. I lost a loot of money during the server crash and I deserve them back

Counter: No yo don't. Donating to something means to voluntarily give an item or items for a cause you believe in. When donating you don't receive anything back. The GM's could just close the whole item shop and get rid of everyones credit and you couldn't do anything about it.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 03:22:33 pm

blah blah blah.
i didnt mind reading your post AOZORA.
unlike the rest of the people who disagreed with me, i read their posts and even if we didnt totally agree, it was worth reading the response of other people.
Unlike yours, which you make no sense at all.
Taking the money from a person that robbed is like being part of the crime.
In the end they kept the money. DONT YOU GET THAT?
so why would they ban me if in the end the server crashed, all the AD SPONSORS were gone...and everything was the same?
They were so scared of their AD SPONSORS leaving due to the AnimaRO players AD FRAUDING and making ANIMARO look bad.
But what happened? Server crashed...everything was lost, kept my money and lots of the other peoples money.
So who won?

And you say all these things, but you never answer to my posts when i say:
And it did matter because im pretty sure when the server collapsed...im pretty sure it wasnt in the rules that IF THE SERVER CRASHES...THE GMS HAVE NO FAULT FOR LOST OF CREDIT. but in someway they did have somewhat fault in all this.
and what did all the GMS said? SORRY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEARTS. and there...easily forgiven. Even though "Sorry from the bottom of my heart" wouldnt change the fact that the lost of credit was unrepairable.Smae scenerio with me right? But no i say IM SORRY and people say "THAT WONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU STILL AD FRAUDED" Forgive people. Thats all im saying, specially when I contributed to this server as much as some people might have had.
isnt it quite true?

i would get if i wouldnt have donated at all and just ad frauded to gain my equips. but i stopped and then learned from my mistake and started donating. DONT YOU GET THAT? IT WAS  A MISTAKE. PEOPLE DO MAKE MISTAKES AND ARE FORGIVEN JUST LIKE YOU FORGAVE MANY GMS FOR THE INCIDENT THAT OCCURED. Youre just stuck up with your mentality that PEOPLE DESERVE WHAT THEY GET SINCE THEY AD FRAUDED! and even if people did ad fraud, all the money they got from it went to the SERVER you play. SO WHO WINS IN THE END? since the server crashed all the sponsors went BUH BYE. and they kept the money anyways. so you tell me...who really wins in this WIN LOOSE SITUATION?

IM SORRY FROM THE BOTTTOM OF MY HEART...you forgave them when they said that...why cant you do the same for me?

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 04:13:40 pm

its also like like the saying," GOOD DEEDS ARENT REMEMBERED IN THE EYES OF ONE...AND THATS WHAT REALLY MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND."

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Aozora on December 23, 2007, 04:20:42 pm

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And it did matter because im pretty sure when the server collapsed...im pretty sure it wasnt in the rules that IF THE SERVER CRASHES...THE GMS HAVE NO FAULT FOR LOST OF CREDIT. but in someway they did have somewhat fault in all this.
and what did all the GMS said? SORRY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEARTS. and there...easily forgiven. Even though "Sorry from the bottom of my heart" wouldnt change the fact that the lost of credit was unrepairable.Smae scenerio with me right? But no i say IM SORRY and people say "THAT WONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU STILL AD FRAUDED" Forgive people. Thats all im saying, specially when I contributed to this server as much as some people might have had.

As I said, you donated. The GM's are free to do anything they please with your money, they have no obligation to repay you in anyway if your credit in game was lost because they are in no way obligated to give you anything in return for your DONATION.

And seriously, what else can they do except to say that they are sorry?
The donation logs were lost during the crash which is the reason people lost their credits during the crash. There is absolutely nothing GM's can do to give any money back to anyone nor are they obligated to do so.

So we should really just forgive all the ad frauders and botters and scammers and all those just because they are sorry what they had done? They broke the rules, no matter if they did it knowingly or not, they sitll broke the rules. You break the rules, you receive a punishment. That's how it works.

It really doesn't matter what you did for the server or how much good you did, you broke a rule, you're responsible for it. You're free to start a new account any time you please.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Haruwa on December 23, 2007, 04:26:47 pm

Leave the poor kid alone Aozora.
If a person can be harassed over a mistake then they should at least get a chance at being forgiven for that mistake. If you really think there is no way he's going to get his account back then you have no right to bother him. Since you’ve said all that you really needed to say. At that point you should back off and leave him alone or it's not fair. Everyone has a right to express what they think in there own way but not if it means attacking other people at will. Either way this thread is probably his way of dealing with his frustration so he can move on and get a little closure. So let him have it and stop being obnoxious about it

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 04:43:13 pm

Sorry wont cut the fact that many players lost their money. Or will it? It wont man, and you know it. Im pretty sure it wasnt in the RULES that someday that the ANIMARO SERVER might crash and that they wouldnt be responsible for anything. Eventhough they were, due to the fact that some people got credited, but not all. So what happens to the people that never got their ads back? A sorry is supposed to cut it? Im pretty sure if people wouldve known that they would have NEVER EVER NEVER EVER donated.
Eventhough the GMS had somewhat fault in this since they didnt take precautions.

Theres nothing i can do either, since i really did mean it when i said sorry. But it wont cut it.
But no, all you want to do is point your fingers at the wrong doings.
But dont remember the good deeds people still did.

All the money they AD FRAUDED went to the SERVER anyway, so why are the AD FRAUDERS bad?

And no they shouldnt forgive SCAMMERS OR HACKERS since they really did know what they were doing. But like me, i just didnt read the rules and thought that suposably doing AD FRAUDS wouldnt be bad since the SERVER was going to get the money. And as soon as i found out i stopped, unlike many ad frauders who continued. Dont you get it AOZORA?

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 04:50:31 pm

And im not a kid. and even if i was, i still think a kid would have their own thoughts of reasoning and would definitely not be in favor of what they did to me.

Im 16 yrs old by the way, and im willing to debate on this because it wasnt really fair what they did. They took the measures that were needed because yeah i get that AD FRAUDERS are supposed to get banned, but i wasnt really an ad frauder, at least i dont consider my self one since i never knew that what i was doing was called AD FRAUDING and as soon as i did, i stopped and started donating money from my ownn money.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Aozora on December 23, 2007, 04:55:01 pm

No players did not lose their money o.o; They gave their money away. I donate 20$ to the "HElp CrazyAssasin to get his account back" foundation I donate there because I want to see you get your account back. Now should you give me anything in return for the donation? No you shouldn't. That is what a donation is, a voluntary contribution to a cause. And seriously, it's common sense that if the server crashes you'll lose your credits o.o; GM's took all the precautions they could have taken, they could never have predicted that the web server host would actually shut down on them. And if you're suggesting to manually log the donations, any idea what that would take? There were hundreds of people donating daily to the server, they had to create an automatic system in order to deal with all the requests.

Why are ad frauders bad? Do you realize why sponsors give money to the server? People do their surveys and the companies gain info, and free advertisment. Now if 1 person does the same survey 100 times the company won't benefit from it in any way but the company still had to pay for all the 100 times the guy did the survey. When the companies realize this they will remove their sponsorship from the site and thus Anima/Anthem would lose their sponsors. Ad frauders were banned in order to keep the sponsors the site had. If they wouldn't have banned them then there would have no t been any sponsors. Sure the server received more money from those individual frauders, but is it worth it if they won't receive the money form the next 200 new people who could have done the same survey?

YEsI get it, you're sorry you feel bad you didn't know. Bohoo, you still broke a rule. A rule that you should have known since there is that checkbox on the registration page that says something along the lines "I fully understand and agree the server rules" You checked the box which means that you hsould have known about the rules. If you didn't then it's your loss.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 05:01:56 pm

Haha. Thats funny i dont think people donate out of the heart. Or some people might. But its clearly here that if you DONATE if for your own good. You donate to get ITEMS/CARDS/GEARS ect. Thats why some people were piss due to the fact that all their ADS were lost since they were planning on buying something. So yeah...that really doesnt work, of course if i donate money to THE CANCER foundation, im sure im not going to get anything back except happiness for that person, since im contributing to her cause. But here its clearly, and it says on the page...ADVANTAGES of donating...and then it says DOPPELGANGER...SUPER SPECIAL ITEM...and ect. Of course the GMS know that if you give stuff out in exchange for donating,  some people might consider donating. So yeah...it doesnt work buddy

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Denia on December 23, 2007, 05:02:57 pm

Actually, when you ad fraud, no the server does NOT get the money. In fact, ad frauding is the leading cause in why we lose sponsors. Here's how it works!

1. You fill out sponsor survey for the first time.
2. It verifies, goes from our system, to theirs, and their sends back a green light -> OK!
3. You get the ad credit.

However, people forget what happens when someone ad frauds, lets take that scenario I just did, and say, it's not his first time but his 4th time.

4. A few days later, the sponsor checks IP's and cross references everything that's been inputted.
5. Sponsor realizes that it was fraudulent survey input.
6. You have already used your ad credits to purchase an item.
7. Ad sponsor comes back to AnimaRO and demands back the money they had given Anima.
8. A bad mark goes on Anima's record with the sponsor.
9. X amount of frauders and Anima loses sponsor.
10. Anima loses sponsor, thus server loses out on funds.

This is why Anima banned people for ad frauding. The sponsors would repeatedly come back and say this IP and that IP are frauding and still are, please do something about this else we will have to get rid of you. So Anima did what they could have. In the end, you did fraud, and you did get banned for it. If you purchase an item from a store, and eat a piece of gum from the store without paying for it, you are still, stealing. Even though you paid for your items from the store and they were more than the piece of gum, in the end you still stole.

You also didn't mention, how you tried to deceive us into thinking your account was banned due to a scammer. Though you came clean later on, it wasn't until later on that you did that, much like what had happened in this case. Had you come clean to the GMs at the time, perhaps you could have gotten grace from them for doing so.

Reference: http://www.anthemro.com/forums/index.php/topic,5752.msg127972.html#msg127972

Talis has said you will not get unbanned, so I'm sorry, but you will not get unbanned.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 05:14:41 pm

Wow. Well nevertheless thanks for your time i guess. And thanks for explaining all this. But i guess theres no other way. Just like 9/11. Many conspiracies rose up when the incident happened...but the government said it was TERRORIST. And it really wasnt "terrorists." Okay but i guess thats another story and if you want to google it up it would be worth your time. My conspiracy towards the whole SERVER SHUT DOWN system is really different from yours. If i get banned for saying this, then i guess this is a corrupt server. Like a communist country, if you use freedom of speech...you get killed! haha. but im going to say this in a nice, deccent way because people wont go any where if they just shout out curse words, thats just really ignorant. My conspiracy is that since AnimaRO had much problems of AD FRAUDING and people complaint, what better way to get rid of all these problems that supposably do an OS RELOAD? All the ADS were lost...well not really, cause AnimaRO kept the money. And all the forums, and transfers people made were also lost. But its curious how the CHARACTERS were not lost. Of course with this, people who played AnimaRO would come back to a server that had their CHARACTERS back, only to play...or maybe even donate money. Because what good is donating if you dont have your account/characters back? So i think AnimaRO did all of this on purpose and ever since GM DEBBIES death, its being a corrupt server. Not saying that these GMS are, i dont know but thats my opinion towards all this.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Denia on December 23, 2007, 05:19:40 pm

Sigh, do I really have to explain this all over again?

First of all, the database that was lost was the webserver database. There was an OS wipe, and it was gone. The webserver was on a completely different server as the rest of the game server. The game server survived and continued running, but the webserver was, well wiped. That's why there's no donation information other than what I'm about to say.

Secondly, the donation information that was saved, luckily, was that of Paypal. Paypal keeps its own database for a certain amount of months, that's why some players were able to retrieve ad credits that they had donated for over the past few months. I believe it went back as far as July? So yes, people were able to get some donation money back, but that's as much as we could do for them. In fact, doing this, was out of Talis' own pocket. He started this server up with whatever he had left in his pocket and even then, gave people their ad credit if he could find proof that there was some.

Thirdly, you can conspire all you would like, however, we do not tolerate disrespect, so as long as you stay here, please have respect for your fellow players as well as gms.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 05:22:14 pm

This is why Anima banned people for ad frauding. The sponsors would repeatedly come back and say this IP and that IP are frauding and still are, please do something about this else we will have to get rid of you. So Anima did what they could have. In the end, you did fraud, and you did get banned for it. If you purchase an item from a store, and eat a piece of gum from the store without paying for it, you are still, stealing. Even though you paid for your items from the store and they were more than the piece of gum, in the end you still stole.

Actually no. I know this since i used to work at a Mini market right by my house. If you have money if your pocket, and you steal something and you leave. Thats another story. You are only charged as if you had money, but tried to walk out. So you can just say you forgot and LAWS wouldnt do you anything. I forgot the LEGAL term for this. But yeah, that really doesnt apply here. Since im pretty sure 30$ of my account of AD FRAUDING made ANIMARO look bad, and if its like that...that they demand you give their money back, then im pretty sure i paid that ammount, and even more. So yeah...and about the whole COMMING CLEAN part, i didnt know what to do since i thought that the old GMS were still here. I didnt even know about DEBIES dead until like a week ago. And i already explained that the old GMS would just ignore me and CLOSE MY TICKET. what other ways would you have done this?

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Maryline` on December 23, 2007, 05:24:45 pm

hmmm, tails used his own money? wew... I wouldnt do that... he did, a great man he is...

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Denia on December 23, 2007, 05:28:08 pm

Had the owner of the mini-mart wanted to press charges against you, yes you would be held accountable in a court of law for the theft. But something such as that for the owner of the mini-mart isn't very wise to do considering the legal fees. But in the end, it is stealing and you could be punished for it and prosecuted.

You're missing the picture, even if you did pay more than that amount, you stole from the sponsor which caused Anima to lose that sponsor. You didn't just rob Anima of $30, you robbed Anima of $30 and an ad sponsor or more! And in regards to coming clean, you should have, when you realized that frauding was bad, you should have sent in a ticket to the AnimaRO gms and said, "Hey, I frauded, but I didn't know I frauded until recently. What can I do to fix this so that I don't get banned?"

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: DirtySanchez on December 23, 2007, 05:34:33 pm

Waaa? I thought we had closure... Man this kid doesn't give up.

Eh... I'm going to work, I can't wait to read this when I get back.

gg kid

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: AceJay on December 23, 2007, 05:36:14 pm

Quote from: Maryline` on December 23, 2007, 05:24:45 pm

hmmm, tails used his own money? wew... I wouldnt do that... he did, a great man he is...

This is what makes a good Server Owner. Sometimes you have to shell out loads of cash because of this or the fact that your players are jerks who won't donate.

Also wow, this thread fails at life. Can we get a lock?

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 05:37:54 pm

No it isnt. You get charged as if you were trying to walk out of the store with something but had money. I know this really, google it up. And yeah okay i guess it was bad from my part that i did not send a SUPPORT TICKET. but even if i did, they wouldve banned me right? Or taken away the kahos. Or IDK? If its the kahos you wanted...take it? idk? So at least i know that i tried everything i possibly could to get unbanned.

Another question...what happened to the people that donated before JULY? a SORRY is supposed to cut for their lost?
Is a SORRY supposed to cut my AD FRAUDING?

Well if i keep jeberish jabering about this subject...it would like never end. But realize that i have proof i did stop ad frauding. And id be most happy to show it to all of you. You not wanting to see it its another problem.

None of the less, it also prooved another point, saying that it was a WIN LOOSE situation. And of course, the people on TOP had to win. So thanks for your time anyway.

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: CrazyAssasin on December 23, 2007, 05:39:41 pm

Quote from: AceJay on December 23, 2007, 05:36:14 pm

Quote from: Maryline` on December 23, 2007, 05:24:45 pm

hmmm, tails used his own money? wew... I wouldnt do that... he did, a great man he is...

This is what makes a good Server Owner. Sometimes you have to shell out loads of cash because of this or the fact that your players are jerks who won't donate.

Obviously you didnt read the thread...i did donate from my money and i have proof of it in my moms bank account. So there. The GMS not wanting to see it is another story

Title: Re: Banned Account When i used to play AnimaRO for supposably "AD FRAUDING"
Post by: Denia on December 23, 2007, 05:42:52 pm

Without us having the proper information, how else are we to verify? Any ol Joe could say, "Hey, back in January, I donated $500 to the server. All that ad credit is now lost! Please reimburse me?" I'm pretty sure that the gms would have worked something out with you. I recall the gms working out deals with some players that had charge backs on their accounts for some reason or another.

You might have proof of it in your mom's statement, however, we have nothing that we can verify that against. AceJay was also responding to another player, and not on the topic of this thread.

In any case, I'm going to lock this, because this thread honestly, is not getting anywhere. Talis has reached his decision and it will not be changed.