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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: xTodesengelx on December 13, 2007, 03:29:38 am
Title: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: xTodesengelx on December 13, 2007, 03:29:38 am
So...I have two berz clips... I have all the rest of the IC gear besides 2x Sting Gloves and Kaho.
My current dex is 99+32 (w/ bless)
What would be an ultimate better choice? Sting Gloves or Berz clips?
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: shane3x on December 13, 2007, 04:20:54 am
I think only paladins can get IC with cast reduction gears, so if your a priest or wiz and you want IC go the sting gloves and whatever card it is that adds dex to it.
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Bularyo on December 13, 2007, 04:46:19 am
berz cant make you ic /hmm
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: shane3x on December 13, 2007, 04:51:39 am
All dex gears or two sting gloves with a kaho would give a priest IC ;D ;D
Ok...well I hope that is true. I don't have a kaho.
I have
dex 99+32 with bless & stat bonuses
AoA (3 dex) Stem Worm Muffler (5 dex) Shoes of Serenity (5 dex) Survivor rod [drops] (4 dex) Rocker armor (1 dex) and of course my berz clips.
total dex I have...
131
So if I had 141 dex (using sting gloves) I would be casting faster then I would with the berz clips?
Only paladins can get IC with berz clips.
EDIT: For others you need 99 dex, all dex gears and job stat bonuses.
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: xTodesengelx on December 13, 2007, 05:55:57 am
I would have almost all dex gears besides kaho... I believe I'd have close to IC, but still a very fast cast? Faster then with berz? If that's the case I will sell my berz and get sting gloves... then save for missy
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Talvi on December 13, 2007, 05:56:23 am
you cant get ic with berze.
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Doremon~ on December 13, 2007, 05:57:31 am
2 berz, aegis... i think theres other factors involved but paladins are only job that can get IC using cast reduction gears.
2berz, aegis, di+dl combo =)
Paladin need 2 berz aegis,DI x2 and DL to get IC.So DI valk is needed.
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: xTodesengelx on December 13, 2007, 06:06:56 am
Can someone just answer my question? would I have a better cast time with berz...or with sting gloves?
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Doremon~ on December 13, 2007, 06:10:06 am
Go with sting glove.you will never get IC with berz.Assuming u are a priest.
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: xTodesengelx on December 13, 2007, 06:10:46 am
I am a priest. So sting gloves would be the better thing to do?
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Hairspray on December 13, 2007, 06:26:08 am
Please someone, get it straight for me, coz i've been on this winding road called does-cast-reducing-gears-give-you-ic-plenty-say-yes-and-plenty-say-no.
So, reducing cast time by 100% gives u IC, right? If wrong, i got it, no need to read further. If right, then a wiz could get ic with
2 berz 66% 1 di uppear headgear (like kawaii ribbon or detective hat OR MAGIC EYES) 10% 1 di blinker 10% 1 Wing Staff 3% 1 Robe of Casting 5% 1 DL shoes 20% (or 30%?)
Please someone, get it straight for me, coz i've been on this winding road called does-cast-reducing-gears-give-you-ic-plenty-say-yes-and-plenty-say-no.
So, reducing cast time by 100% gives u IC, right? If wrong, i got it, no need to read further. If right, then a wiz could get ic with
2 berz 66% 1 di uppear headgear (like kawaii ribbon or detective hat OR MAGIC EYES) 10% 1 di blinker 10% 1 Wing Staff 3% 1 Robe of Casting 5% 1 DL shoes 20% (or 30%?)
The problem is he cant get IC even with berz and Sting glove because he dont have kahos.He is asking for a better casting time.
Since he had a berz clip,I suggest get a phen clip.So u can land your ME without getting interupt.
Just a suggestion anyway :-X
Exactly what he said! People need to stop screaming.
I still have no yet had my question answered...
I KNOW! I can't have instant cast because I do NOT have kaho. My thread wasn't even about achieving instant cast. I know other classes besides Paladin need 150 DEX (gears included) to have IC.
My simple question was...
Berz clips: 60/66 cast reduction? Bad or good? Does it stack with your other stuff or is it added to it? OR +10 more dex from Sting gloves.
Which would ultimately give me the best cast time? I don't have instant cast, but I would like a fairly decent cast at any rate, and which would give me the fastest cast WITHOUT having IC or CLOSE to IC?
My dex 99+32 with Bless.
I have ALL the dex gears (Besides KAHO and sting gloves!)
Would it benefit more to get rid of the berzes or go with sting gloves?
99+42 = 141...very close to 150. Thus if I had a bard playing any bragi. I would be IC.
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Aozora on December 13, 2007, 09:08:27 am
Basic cast time formula Base time * (1 - DEX/150)
Now let's say you have 131 DEX as you have.
(1-(131/150)) 1-0,873333333.... Which comes to about 0,127. Which is 12.7% of original cast time. Now with berzes you'll get 12.7*0,40=5.08 So with 131 DEX your cast time would be a bit over 5% of your original cast time.
with 141 DEX with Sting gloves.
(1-(141/150)) 1-0,94=0,06 Which comes to 6% of your original cast time.
I'm not 100% sure if this but it would seem that berzes give a slightly better reduction the Stings.
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Sapphirion on December 13, 2007, 02:15:01 pm
All dex gears or two sting gloves with a kaho would give a priest IC ;D ;D
Ok...well I hope that is true. I don't have a kaho.
I have
dex 99+32 with bless & stat bonuses
AoA (3 dex) Stem Worm Muffler (5 dex) Shoes of Serenity (5 dex) Survivor rod [drops] (4 dex) Rocker armor (1 dex) and of course my berz clips.
total dex I have...
131
So if I had 141 dex (using sting gloves) I would be casting faster then I would with the berz clips?
get two sting gloves then u will have a cast very close to IC berz is for saders and palys
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: santan on December 13, 2007, 04:26:51 pm
Just get two sting gloves and a stem worm.I think stem worm give +5 i think /ok
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Messiahic Murder on December 13, 2007, 04:35:05 pm
Sting Gloves are better in your case.
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: jchien10 on December 13, 2007, 04:46:54 pm
Berzes are better as of right now for you (2 Berzes = 11.4 DEX with your current equips and I am assuming 2 Berzes = 60% reduction) but you will not be able to get IC from Berz so you might as well start investing in Sting Gloves right now. Sting Gloves will raise the cast time of ME by 140 milliseconds so obviously, it's not really a big deal. Stings are also cheaper so you'll be able to use that extra zeny to put towards something else. Also I would not recommend Rocker Armor as there are much better things you can put in that slot.
Any class can get IC with 100% cast time reduction OR 150 DEX but the only class that can get 100% cast time reduction is the Paladin. Aozora your calculations are wrong because DL does not reduce cast time.
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Aozora on December 13, 2007, 06:07:17 pm
Aozora your calculations are wrong because DL does not reduce cast time.
DL o_O Wtf? I calculated the cast time time with 131 DEX then multiplied it with the remaining cast time you get the after the 60% reduction from berzes. After that I just calculated the DEX reduction. Where do you see a DL in my calculations? o.o;
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: jchien10 on December 13, 2007, 06:30:15 pm
I meant Hairspray, sorry about the mix up :-[
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Bularyo on December 13, 2007, 06:40:54 pm
stings for priest /lv
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Kain Alongrad on December 13, 2007, 06:41:02 pm
Yeah Mal go for Stings. If you need soem help gettin stuff gimme a shout. I am still currently ItemUnslotter Banned atm but I will be back soon enough I hope X.x
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Bularyo on December 13, 2007, 06:45:41 pm
if u want IC char make a super novice /heh
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: gutsu91 on December 13, 2007, 09:13:45 pm
GO FOR STING GLOVES, WAY BETTER (i have some, buy mine !!! way better than everyone elses >.>
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Aozora on December 13, 2007, 11:31:57 pm
ANd everyone just seems to ignore my post where I prove that berzes give better reduction then stings at his level ._. Unless he's getting a Kaho sometime soon he should still stick with berzes.
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: ShinigamiSama on December 14, 2007, 01:04:28 am
If you really can't get kahos for the moment
GO DL+DI+DI+2x berz. This is really fast even @ low dex so you can spare some stat points. The DL+DI combo is great for hp/survivability. The best part would be that just with the 2x berz if someone uses braggi you get IC, get a bard/Minstrel friend /no1 Teamwork = win
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Zeta on December 14, 2007, 01:49:04 am
If you plan on making a sader or another wiz/priest, the berzes come in handy since casting is really slow when you first start. But when you get higher, you could switch to berze for IC
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Sapphirion on December 14, 2007, 03:40:22 am
get an FS priest to support u, they can cast Suffigrium on u and u will get IC......
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: xTodesengelx on December 15, 2007, 01:24:29 am
Yeah, I am not sure what to do. I hear all this stuff. I will probably not get kaho for a while, since I still need to save for missy and stuff, too. But I need to level also. I am level 96 and I know that when I become a HP I will get more SP. So I will save on GJs. I don't have all the best money to throw around like some people do in this game. Right now I have about 2m to my name. As for that, someone suggested getting a Sage Diary [2] to help with matk
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Aozora on December 15, 2007, 06:43:58 am
Yeah, I am not sure what to do. I hear all this stuff. I will probably not get kaho for a while, since I still need to save for missy and stuff, too. But I need to level also. I am level 96 and I know that when I become a HP I will get more SP. So I will save on GJs. I don't have all the best money to throw around like some people do in this game. Right now I have about 2m to my name. As for that, someone suggested getting a Sage Diary [2] to help with matk
If you're not getting a Kaho in a while then stick with berzes. As I proved they give you a bit better reduction then stings and they are more versatile then stings. As for Sage's diary, I wouldn't suggest getting one since you'd be losing your quad dex rod and some cast time with it. As a priest you'll be MEing undeads and demnos anyways which in ll honesty is powerful enough even without the 5% MATK boost you get from Sage's diary.
Title: Re: Berz or Sting Gloves Question
Post by: Bularyo on December 16, 2007, 06:26:33 pm