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Title: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Karanja on December 06, 2007, 05:47:50 am

A + 8 Hood[1] has the same DEF as a +7 Muffler[1] or?  ???

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: prethvin_91 on December 06, 2007, 07:52:41 am

Yea it does.Only difference is cosmetic from a deffence point of view. Also ithink a +7muffler is easier to make as theres lesser risk(than when one tries to make a +8hood)

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: StriferX on December 06, 2007, 07:53:50 am

Quote from: prethvin_91 on December 06, 2007, 07:52:41 am

Yea it does.Only difference is cosmetic from a deffence point of view. Also ithink a +7muffler is easier to make as theres lesser risk(than when one tries to make a +8hood)

Wrong.

+1= 2/3 defense.

So a +7 Muffler is slightly better.

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Karanja on December 06, 2007, 08:01:37 am

But not too much I think o.O

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Verteidungsbonus*     +1 /+0,67     +2 / +1,33     +3 / +2     +4 / +2,67     +5 / +3,33     +6 / +4     +7 / +4,67     +8 / +5,33     +9 / +6     +10 / +6,67

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Smite on December 06, 2007, 07:12:47 pm

The chance of you getting a hood to +8 is nowhere near the chance of getting a muffler to +7.  RODatazone says at the NPC, getting an armor to +8 has 1/5 the chance of getting something to +7.  It might actually be a bit cheaper to go for a +8 hood, but the main problem of it is how much raw elunium you'll burn through before you actually get it.

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: prethvin_91 on December 07, 2007, 04:15:55 am

Quote from: Smite on December 06, 2007, 07:12:47 pm

The chance of you getting a hood to +8 is nowhere near the chance of getting a muffler to +7.  RODatazone says at the NPC, getting an armor to +8 has 1/5 the chance of getting something to +7.  It might actually be a bit cheaper to go for a +8 hood, but the main problem of it is how much raw elunium you'll burn through before you actually get it.

Exactly.and barring decimal values the def is the same

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Karanja on December 07, 2007, 04:33:52 am

I got 5 +8 Hoods with 72 Elus.

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Taiyou on December 07, 2007, 12:58:20 pm

Hoods are worthless to over-up, since you'll never NOT find mufflers on the market.

yeah, they're harder to come by, but sell those hoods, and rag mants you farmed at skellington and you've got the money right there.

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Karanja on December 07, 2007, 01:42:37 pm

Hood has only 1 DEF less to muffler.....

reg mants.....well to have enough you muat be 2 hours in niff....

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: bensei on December 07, 2007, 01:44:43 pm

whats the point in dicussing over how big the difference is? +7 muffler > +8 Hood. Case closed =I

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Karanja on December 07, 2007, 06:21:27 pm

Because of the price.....

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: samba on December 08, 2007, 09:39:08 am

Quote from: prethvin_91 on December 07, 2007, 04:15:55 am

Quote from: Smite on December 06, 2007, 07:12:47 pm

The chance of you getting a hood to +8 is nowhere near the chance of getting a muffler to +7.  RODatazone says at the NPC, getting an armor to +8 has 1/5 the chance of getting something to +7.  It might actually be a bit cheaper to go for a +8 hood, but the main problem of it is how much raw elunium you'll burn through before you actually get it.

Exactly.and barring decimal values the def is the same

RO does not do that.  barring some number is the same that is sort of ... wierd to validate your early claim.  At high tier gears, every .1 def counts in order to make bk and lod worth of using.

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Chellah on December 08, 2007, 10:59:50 am

Hood Weight > Muffler's Weight(if the case is between the +8 hood and +7 muffler)


But if you want more defense, A Higher upgrade of Muffler or other Garments is better.

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Sapphirion on December 09, 2007, 05:16:33 am

+7 muff is better causer it costs less and much more less risky to make  :P

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: MaO on December 09, 2007, 06:08:17 am

there is no difference in those to items in their defense both are pretty much the same.

but in weighted ans cost they differ

hood weigh 20 while muffler 40  and like the others had posted

its more cheaper to have +7 muf than + 8 hood.

 :police:

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Karanja on December 09, 2007, 08:22:54 am

but mufflers cost 190k and hoods 2k :P

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: MaO on December 09, 2007, 09:31:02 am

Quote from: Karanja on December 09, 2007, 08:22:54 am

but mufflers cost 190k and hoods 2k :P

 i mean if you do upgrades it will cost than doing a +7 rather much risking for +8  :angel:

 :police:

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Sapphirion on December 09, 2007, 12:30:14 pm

mufflers are more popular cause less risky to make and costs less :P

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: haru88 on December 09, 2007, 12:36:42 pm

If you want something cheap, easy to get +10 and lower in weight, just make +10 Hood[1], its not easy reach +10, but its easy get +7 / +8, also you get Hoods[1] from niff all time, x_O.


Weight is nice part.

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Karanja on December 09, 2007, 05:44:45 pm

I think it costs more to make +7 Muffler then +8 Hood XD

+10 Hood O_O that'S really hard to make >.<

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Aozora on December 09, 2007, 06:05:29 pm

Quote from: MaO on December 09, 2007, 06:08:17 am

there is no difference in those to items in their defense both are pretty much the same.

but in weighted ans cost they differ

hood weigh 20 while muffler 40  and like the others had posted

its more cheaper to have +7 muf than + 8 hood.

 :police:

There is a difference in the DEF value, as it was pointed in the very beginning. Each upgrade gives you roughly +0.67 DEF NOT +1 DEF
So getting a armor to +7 will give you 4.67 DEF
While +8 will give you 5.33 DEF

Hood gives you +1 DEF. Now add the upgraded DEF, so your +8 Hood will give you a total of 6.33 DEF.
Muffler gives you +2 DEF. Add the upgrade bonus and you'll get a total of, 6.67 DEF.

So +7 Muffler is slightly better then a +8 Hood. The difference is really small but it's still there. And those are the real DEF values, the game uses those to count the damage you receive. The status window counts each upgrade as +1 DEF, but the status window is wrong.

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: MaO on December 09, 2007, 06:58:28 pm

Quote from: Aozora on December 09, 2007, 06:05:29 pm

Quote from: MaO on December 09, 2007, 06:08:17 am

there is no difference in those to items in their defense both are pretty much the same.

but in weighted ans cost they differ

hood weigh 20 while muffler 40  and like the others had posted

its more cheaper to have +7 muf than + 8 hood.

 :police:

There is a difference in the DEF value, as it was pointed in the very beginning. Each upgrade gives you roughly +0.67 DEF NOT +1 DEF
So getting a armor to +7 will give you 4.67 DEF
While +8 will give you 5.33 DEF

Hood gives you +1 DEF. Now add the upgraded DEF, so your +8 Hood will give you a total of 6.33 DEF.
Muffler gives you +2 DEF. Add the upgrade bonus and you'll get a total of, 6.67 DEF.

So +7 Muffler is slightly better then a +8 Hood. The difference is really small but it's still there. And those are the real DEF values, the game uses those to count the damage you receive. The status window counts each upgrade as +1 DEF, but the status window is wrong.

i see ok ....  a question thou ... ah the total def (total of, 6.67 DEF)  is it be rounded or not?  ???
just want to clarify  ;D

tnx for the info ....

 :police:

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: haru88 on December 09, 2007, 07:23:27 pm

Quote from: Karanja on December 09, 2007, 05:44:45 pm

I think it costs more to make +7 Muffler then +8 Hood XD

+10 Hood O_O that'S really hard to make >.<

Yeah it is

And about disccusion its better +10 Hood[1] with elementels, just coz they weight.

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Aozora on December 09, 2007, 11:24:17 pm

Quote from: MaO on December 09, 2007, 06:58:28 pm

Quote from: Aozora on December 09, 2007, 06:05:29 pm

Quote from: MaO on December 09, 2007, 06:08:17 am

there is no difference in those to items in their defense both are pretty much the same.

but in weighted ans cost they differ

hood weigh 20 while muffler 40  and like the others had posted

its more cheaper to have +7 muf than + 8 hood.

 :police:

There is a difference in the DEF value, as it was pointed in the very beginning. Each upgrade gives you roughly +0.67 DEF NOT +1 DEF
So getting a armor to +7 will give you 4.67 DEF
While +8 will give you 5.33 DEF

Hood gives you +1 DEF. Now add the upgraded DEF, so your +8 Hood will give you a total of 6.33 DEF.
Muffler gives you +2 DEF. Add the upgrade bonus and you'll get a total of, 6.67 DEF.

So +7 Muffler is slightly better then a +8 Hood. The difference is really small but it's still there. And those are the real DEF values, the game uses those to count the damage you receive. The status window counts each upgrade as +1 DEF, but the status window is wrong.

i see ok ....  a question thou ... ah the total def (total of, 6.67 DEF)  is it be rounded or not?  ???
just want to clarify  ;D

tnx for the info ....

 :police:

I'm pretty sure your real armor DEF is not rounded.

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: MaO on December 10, 2007, 03:09:35 am

Quote from: Aozora on December 09, 2007, 11:24:17 pm

Quote from: MaO on December 09, 2007, 06:58:28 pm

Quote from: Aozora on December 09, 2007, 06:05:29 pm

Quote from: MaO on December 09, 2007, 06:08:17 am

there is no difference in those to items in their defense both are pretty much the same.

but in weighted ans cost they differ

hood weigh 20 while muffler 40  and like the others had posted

its more cheaper to have +7 muf than + 8 hood.

 :police:

There is a difference in the DEF value, as it was pointed in the very beginning. Each upgrade gives you roughly +0.67 DEF NOT +1 DEF
So getting a armor to +7 will give you 4.67 DEF
While +8 will give you 5.33 DEF

Hood gives you +1 DEF. Now add the upgraded DEF, so your +8 Hood will give you a total of 6.33 DEF.
Muffler gives you +2 DEF. Add the upgrade bonus and you'll get a total of, 6.67 DEF.

So +7 Muffler is slightly better then a +8 Hood. The difference is really small but it's still there. And those are the real DEF values, the game uses those to count the damage you receive. The status window counts each upgrade as +1 DEF, but the status window is wrong.

i see ok ....  a question thou ... ah the total def (total of, 6.67 DEF)  is it be rounded or not?  ???
just want to clarify  ;D

tnx for the info ....

 :police:

I'm pretty sure your real armor DEF is not rounded.

ok tnx for the info  :-*

 :police:

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Sapphirion on December 10, 2007, 11:31:10 am

wats the point in arguing about this lol..........

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Aozora on December 10, 2007, 01:02:21 pm

Quote from: Sapphirion on December 10, 2007, 11:31:10 am

wats the point in arguing about this lol..........

Because if there's no actual difference between the two except the price and weight then most people would go for +8 Hood rather then a +7 Muffler since it's lighter and usually cheaper.

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Karanja on December 10, 2007, 01:47:26 pm

Yeah.

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Torunkusu on December 10, 2007, 04:37:50 pm

but better def LoL
and 20 weight is like nothing
 ;)

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Enkidu on December 10, 2007, 05:07:29 pm

I made 2 +8 Hoods[1] for about 400k . I really have nothing to say as to why people use +7 Muffler[1] and overupgrade mufflers to +7 when hoods  are cheaper , can be used by novices and have almost the same def. getting a +9/10 Muffler is much better than a hood though But for most people who want +7 just make a hood it makes more sense

Alas most people in the back of their minds are like "WHAT?!" hoods look like crap in the equips screen and i wouldn't want to be caught wearing one , even though they are the better choice in terms of price and versatility( Novice xDDD). But in all seriousness if some one was going for the "every def counts" kinda gears they would not go with +7. and they prolly wouldnt even use a muffler ( heavenly maiden robe) so that point is moot right there.

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its more cheaper to have +7 muf than + 8 hood.

No. if it takes the same number of garments to reach +7 ( lets say 4 ) Elu =10k each
muffler[1]
190k x 4 = k + the cost of elu ( which lets say the max number of elu used is 7 per muffler , so each one uses up 7 elu) =280k
Thats about 1,040,000 Zenny make 1 +7 Muffler

While a hood is
Hood[1]
 2k x 4 = 8 k + cost of elu ( lets use the same number of elu and garments as above ) 280k
Thats about 288k to make 1 +7 hood.

if 1 def is that important go ahead and make a +8 Hood ,( which costs about as much as a +7 Muffler anyway) but most people who do that would rather have a +8 muffler/ heavenly maiden robe anyway .

Title: Re: +8 Hood[1] vs. +7 Muffler[1]
Post by: Aozora on December 10, 2007, 05:18:47 pm

The difference is still not even that 1 DEF. +1 Upgrade =/= +1 DEF
The actual DEF difference between a +7 Muff and +8 Hood is a pathetic 0.34 DEF.
The difference between +10 Muff and a +10 Hood is 1 DEF.

If you're not absolutely whoring DEF then a +8 Hood will be pretty much just as good as a +7 Muff, and a lot cheaper to make usually.