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Title: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Lilith Aileron on July 01, 2008, 06:33:39 am

I was just wandering if Ic or near instant IC can be achieved without Kaho. I was thinking of building a priest. Would two berz clips, nimble glove, hasty shoes, bloody butterfly give a priest a good cast time?

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: redline5085 on July 01, 2008, 06:46:44 am

No, without kaho you wont IC..

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: shane3x on July 01, 2008, 07:07:26 am

There are 2 ways to get IC. Get a 100% cast reduction using cast reduction gears alone (Such as berz clips) or getting 150 dex using +X Dex gears alone. You cannot mix and match +X Dex gears with -% gears to get IC.

Apple of Archer is nice until kahos is affordable. Maybe see razer's guide if you need help zeny wise.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Akishira on July 01, 2008, 07:08:01 am

Two berze, 99 dex and Bragi has been said to be effective? No idea how true this is currently.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: shane3x on July 01, 2008, 07:10:49 am

Quote from: Akishira on July 01, 2008, 07:08:01 am

Two berze, 99 dex and Bragi has been said to be effective? No idea how true this is currently.

iirc that would work but bragi isn't usually a factor when considering getting IC since the person won't always have access to it unlike say a priest who has a +X Dex skill.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Lilith Aileron on July 01, 2008, 07:14:53 am

Well I guess that would mean Kaho is a must for IC then since I cant really think of a way to get 100% cast reduction without bragi.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: shane3x on July 01, 2008, 07:19:47 am

Only saders and pallies are capable of 100% cast reduction without bragi.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: eimi on July 01, 2008, 07:27:37 am

just party with another priestess that will suffragium you maybe ~nyo^^

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Akishira on July 01, 2008, 09:57:01 am

Quote from: shane3x on July 01, 2008, 07:10:49 am

Quote from: Akishira on July 01, 2008, 07:08:01 am

Two berze, 99 dex and Bragi has been said to be effective? No idea how true this is currently.

iirc that would work but bragi isn't usually a factor when considering getting IC since the person won't always have access to it unlike say a priest who has a +X Dex skill.

Which is cheaper, a kaho or a bragi slave? ;p

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Ultra Violence on July 01, 2008, 10:59:26 am

You can get IC without a kaho as an archer class or a super novice.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Ruhoho on July 01, 2008, 11:04:02 am

If you have 2 Berz and Bragi, you don't need any dex. Also, with Marionette Control you can get a +49 Dex bonus, which should make IC laughably easy.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Lilith Aileron on July 01, 2008, 11:13:01 am

Not enough gypsies/clowns are around for Marionette Control and Bragi slave is very rare. I pretty much prefer a solo independent priest for IC since I train alone more often than not XP.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Kyubey on July 01, 2008, 11:18:11 am

Not unless your a sniper/hunter you wont get near IC without a kaho.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Nerkel on July 01, 2008, 11:19:24 am

Quote from: Nanaya on July 01, 2008, 11:18:11 am

Not unless your a sniper/hunter you wont get near IC without a kaho.

Instant cast is possible on a Supernovice without a kaho :]

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Souless_koji on July 01, 2008, 03:46:32 pm

Quote from: Nerkel on July 01, 2008, 11:19:24 am

Quote from: Nanaya on July 01, 2008, 11:18:11 am

Not unless your a sniper/hunter you wont get near IC without a kaho.

Instant cast is possible on a Supernovice without a kaho :]

With items the 2 +5 dex cards and 2x sting clips a super can get ic at around lvl 60-70 and have about 30 int, If how ever you get over job 70 you can use the +10 to all stats supernovice buff + all the other novice buff's to get ic at around 85-90 base dex so at arounf lvl 80 you'll have an ic super that has enough int to do good damage in pvm.

So yes if you want an ic magic class without kahos then sn is your best chouse.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Stephanie J on July 01, 2008, 11:38:40 pm

99 base dex
Bonus dex +6
Rocker+1
Quad Drops+4
Garg Shoes+5
2 stings+10
MonsoonMuffler+5
Bless+10
Apple of Archer+ 4
Then a consumable, either Soul Bread(think that's the name)+7 Dex Or Peach Cake +6 dex.

I know, ew, stat food. But it works and you don't need to rely on anyone else so long as you have a supply of them.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Kentaro555 on July 01, 2008, 11:54:51 pm

Quote from: shane3x on July 01, 2008, 07:19:47 am

Only saders and pallies are capable of 100% cast reduction without bragi.

how the hell....oh right
aegis

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: shane3x on July 02, 2008, 04:06:49 am

Quote from: Stephanie J on July 01, 2008, 11:38:40 pm

99 base dex
Bonus dex +6
Rocker+1
Quad Drops+4
Garg Shoes+5
2 stings+10
MonsoonMuffler+5
Bless+10
Apple of Archer+ 4
Then a consumable, either Soul Bread(think that's the name)+7 Dex Or Peach Cake +6 dex.

I know, ew, stat food. But it works and you don't need to rely on anyone else so long as you have a supply of them.

Isn't AoA +3 dex?

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Stephanie J on July 02, 2008, 04:54:29 am

Quote from: shane3x on July 02, 2008, 04:06:49 am

Quote from: Stephanie J on July 01, 2008, 11:38:40 pm

99 base dex
Bonus dex +6
Rocker+1
Quad Drops+4
Garg Shoes+5
2 stings+10
MonsoonMuffler+5
Bless+10
Apple of Archer+ 4
Then a consumable, either Soul Bread(think that's the name)+7 Dex Or Peach Cake +6 dex.

I know, ew, stat food. But it works and you don't need to rely on anyone else so long as you have a supply of them.

Isn't AoA +3 dex?

So it is! My bad.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: eimi on July 02, 2008, 05:01:15 am

i like how gypsys got 16 bonus dex from job lvls :3 ~nyo^^

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Aozora on July 02, 2008, 05:30:18 am

Also with the 11.2 update it'll be possible to attain IC with cast reduction gears :>

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: Kyubey on July 02, 2008, 08:45:39 am

Quote from: Nerkel on July 01, 2008, 11:19:24 am

Quote from: Nanaya on July 01, 2008, 11:18:11 am

Not unless your a sniper/hunter you wont get near IC without a kaho.

Instant cast is possible on a Supernovice without a kaho :]

 :o

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: lugsy on July 02, 2008, 12:11:42 pm

If you include Sqis (making the no-kaho idea go from finacial reasons to gear reasons) many classes can more than make up for the no kahos :P
And as it stands, if you wanted a biochemist could reach 150 dex with something like 30 base dex /hmm.
kaho 20
djinn 40
2x sting brys 10
Monsoon 5
Gargs 5
rocker 1
Job bonus 14
bless  10 
stat food 10
Box of gloom 4-5 (depends on what dex you end up adding)
all that is 120 dex
150-120= 30 base dex you need. :o
You could toss in rocker valk if you wanted, and guild leader AOE buffs.. but that's alot to depend on lol.
:x but that's kind of a side tangant and will most likely change soon so  :P

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: shane3x on July 02, 2008, 06:52:41 pm

Doubt if she can afford the other SQI's if she can't afford Kaho.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: lugsy on July 02, 2008, 07:18:20 pm

Quote from: shane3x on July 02, 2008, 06:52:41 pm

Doubt if she can afford the other SQI's if she can't afford Kaho.

some people may want to know so they can wear a slotted headgear instead and still have Ic.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: gaiastewie2 on July 03, 2008, 01:37:58 am

I got a question:

Can we still get IC with a Kaho and Berzes?

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: HolyDragon01 on July 03, 2008, 02:28:54 am

Quote from: gaiastewie2 on July 03, 2008, 01:37:58 am

I got a question:

Can we still get IC with a Kaho and Berzes?

it depends.

but in most cases, no.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: shane3x on July 03, 2008, 02:34:31 am

Quote from: HolyDragon01 on July 03, 2008, 02:28:54 am

Quote from: gaiastewie2 on July 03, 2008, 01:37:58 am

I got a question:

Can we still get IC with a Kaho and Berzes?

it depends.

but in most cases, no.

Nope, Even a paladin couldn't get IC that way since they would be on 98% cast reduction which the kaho could be replaced by a CTM/DI headgear to get 100%.

It's either 150 dex or 100% cast reduction, you can't mix them together and get IC.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: HolyDragon01 on July 03, 2008, 02:56:47 am

uh.

SoM + sting brys + garg muffs + berz can reach IC.

but it's kinda pointless.
haha.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: shane3x on July 03, 2008, 03:13:28 am

Quote from: HolyDragon01 on July 03, 2008, 02:56:47 am

uh.

SoM + sting brys + garg muffs + berz can reach IC.

but it's kinda pointless.
haha.

It would be close to IC but unless you have either 100% cast reduction  or 150 dex it's not exactly IC.

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: gaiastewie2 on July 03, 2008, 12:36:22 pm

What cards/equips give Cast Reduction?

All i know are Berzes and DI (but i forgot how much)

Title: Re: Alternative IC without Kaho?
Post by: HolyDragon01 on July 03, 2008, 10:30:48 pm

Quote from: shane3x on July 03, 2008, 03:13:28 am

Quote from: HolyDragon01 on July 03, 2008, 02:56:47 am

uh.

SoM + sting brys + garg muffs + berz can reach IC.

but it's kinda pointless.
haha.

It would be close to IC but unless you have either 100% cast reduction  or 150 dex it's not exactly IC.

uh.
that's what i'm trying to say.