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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: Karanja on May 11, 2008, 10:10:15 am
Title: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Karanja on May 11, 2008, 10:10:15 am
I killed Sk today and a wizzard ice walled me so I couldn't get my loot and because of the iw I got dc <<
I know everyone can kill the mvps but then the mvp maker become the loot or? and iw someone to stop someone to get his loot is in my opinion loot stealing.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Van~Candy on May 11, 2008, 11:36:14 am
Unfortunately this is allowed, regardless of if you killed the MvP the loot jut like the MvP is free for all. : (
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Sailor Flameke on May 11, 2008, 11:45:30 am
i can do that
and i did, for various reasons
one, you used me and my ice wall to take SK
two, you attempted to break my ice wall so i would die
so thank you very much for the OPB, it was delicious
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Karanja on May 11, 2008, 01:25:28 pm
I broke the iw after the mvp was dead so you couldn't die <<
I tried to broke but you made so much iws that I lag and got dc << so stop such things.
I make new money. I go with my hw mvp hunting wait until a creator kills it and iw him/she and stole the loot =) so you can make a lot of money =) << that's unfair for the one who got mvp.....
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: NeoMagus on May 11, 2008, 03:03:09 pm
its called "Free For All" for a reason...
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Sailor Flameke on May 11, 2008, 05:15:55 pm
I broke the iw after the mvp was dead so you couldn't die <<
I tried to broke but you made so much iws that I lag and got dc << so stop such things.
I make new money. I go with my hw mvp hunting wait until a creator kills it and iw him/she and stole the loot =) so you can make a lot of money =) << that's unfair for the one who got mvp.....
cry more, next time dont steal my mvps, thanks
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Karanja on May 11, 2008, 05:25:54 pm
lol how will a wizzard kill sk I sould had wait until you die <<
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Sailor Flameke on May 11, 2008, 05:30:09 pm
I killed Sk today and a wizzard ice walled me so I couldn't get my loot and because of the iw I got dc <<
I know everyone can kill the mvps but then the mvp maker become the loot or? and iw someone to stop someone to get his loot is in my opinion loot stealing.
what did you lose San? and yea its rather advisable you get HW nearby killed before engaging SK. HW will ice wall lag you at 100% chance. Also if parties are allowed , Magnetic Earth > Ice walls.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: tizzi on May 12, 2008, 03:37:02 am
lol how will a wizzard kill sk I sould had wait until you die <<
It takes two minutes with HD or ES. ES is supposedly a bit faster, I still prefer HD because it kills the mob for Buckler[1]s. Granted, longer than AD, but not that long either. If nothing goes wrong, I can get SK and both garms down within about three to four minutes and get all the loots. Another method - IW directly on SK and firebolt him. Don't even need an ice wall shield then, and he doesn't run around then either. Very cheap, and very very easy.
And yup, perfectly allowed. You will usually get that if you lob ADs from behind a wizard's ice wall. Where is the problem? I never have a problem with wizard competition anywhere but in small maps (where you can't really move) or with weak MVPs (where most wizards wouldn't bother IWing - i.e. Phree). Otherwise, if they ice wall, I am usually on the other side of the IW with the MVP - and I just walk away from them. They take forever to tear down the IW (4sec cast delay after SG, which is when you run), and then when they got past it, they don't know where I am.
Of course, if you use their IW to steal the MVP, don't be surprised if they use their IW a little more to prevent you from looting too. Not every wizard is completely clueless and goes "oh shi-" after you stole the MVP, standing there brainlessly waiting for you to loot them and drop a snide remark (not saying you do the latter, most bios do tho).
I know everyone can kill the mvps but then the mvp maker become the loot or? and iw someone to stop someone to get his loot is in my opinion loot stealing.
The same rule that allows you to steal MVPs allows them to steal MVP loots. You stole his MVP and you're dissed because he stole your loots? At least now you might have a slight idea how he felt when you bombed the sheet out of the MVP he was working on. It's not like he needed your help, you know :) You stole without asking/second thoughts, he stole without asking/second thoughts. You don't want the MVP loot stolen, he doesn't want the MVP he was working on stolen. Ergo I'd say, you don't steal MVP, he won't steal loots, and everyone's happy.
Anyhow, kudos to Flameke for actually doing that. Most wizards don't have the guts.
Also if parties are allowed , Magnetic Earth > Ice walls.
I'm not sure. You cannot IW on ME, but if you ME over IW, the cells that have ice walls won't be MEd. So your ME is basically going to have little holes where the IW is.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Razer on May 12, 2008, 04:23:53 am
Then take a HW and Ganbatein lol. San what did you lose btw?
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Ressy on May 12, 2008, 04:39:31 am
two, you attempted to break my ice wall so i would die
so thank you very much for the OPB, it was delicious
Ahh, I sure do hate GTB but love the things we can do with MVPs. ^-^
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: fl0om on May 12, 2008, 04:47:43 am
quite an honorable behaviour flameke ... you can be proud of yourself ::)
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: ***BLITZ*** on May 12, 2008, 05:41:56 am
i personally hate KS or looting my MVPs that i kill, seroiusly~ to bad we cannot help it since its free for all T______T, i lost 1 valk armor, mant and pola axe =.=~
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Sora on May 12, 2008, 06:40:19 am
quite an honorable behaviour flameke ... you can be proud of yourself ::)
All I remember is the rant thread he made over 1 FoH that he lost to another player. 2 incidents involving him now. Its good SK didnt drop Ring[1] or a card lol. I see Ressy added some spice too >_> San dont worry - I ll get you an OVB =)
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Amy~ on May 12, 2008, 07:16:07 am
Made a rant because of a FoH and steals loot himself? okie, this makes sense ;)
Edit: and some more: When i see some bio ran around i tell him, let me have mvp and you can have the loot, when i am hunting for exp and not for loot.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Karanja on May 12, 2008, 07:31:19 am
hehe razerman ^^
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: tizzi on May 12, 2008, 08:16:59 am
You'll have to have YGs with you for that. Now granted, that's something you can have with you (a quick IW would void your efforts though, and Ganbatein fails quite a bit too, which can be annoying), but I usually don't plan on having to trash someone else's IW when I set off for an MVP.
The easiest way to ruin IWs is just to IW yourself and make a mess on purpose, overlapping ice walls at different times. Ice walls do not renew if you cast over them, so if you manage to cast a diagonal ice wall over a straight one, it will break. Or just use Sight/Sight Trasher. No YG and sure works nicely, too.
one, you used me and my ice wall to take SK two, you attempted to break my ice wall so i would die
IMO this pretty much sums it up. There is no honourable behaviour involved from either party, simple as that. For one, you took advantage of his IW; you already stole when he did the work, and then you complain about not getting the loots - how honourable. It looks like the one thing that you did is pressing the "Acid Demonstration" button four times from complete safety when he did all the work already. Deservant of the loots would be (depending on the map's layout, where SK was), if you were on the other side of the IW, SK would walk after you while you bomb him .. oh wait, you'd have gotten the loots then anyway. And for the second point, it just seems you played dirty - so yeah, he played dirty too. End of story, everyone played dirty. No reason to complain about how unjust that was.
If one party really needs to emphasize the whole thing being FFA (with dirty play, stealing, trying to MPK and whatsoever), crying "unjust" then seems quite hypocritical. But that's just me. IMO, if you're playing dirty, you really need to know what you're doing, and deal with the consequences and not complain if others are playing dirty too then.
Made a rant because of a FoH and steals loot himself?
Actually I think it was someone else ranting. Edit: there you go: http://www.anthemro.com/forums/index.php/topic,25420.0.html /heh I even replied to it - good to know I'm being somewhat consistent in my views, at least.
When i see some bio ran around i tell him, let me have mvp and you can have the loot, when i am hunting for exp and not for loot.
I tried that the last time on LOD (gives really nice experience, since he takes long to kill for magic classes and constantly summons mobs) and it actually worked - kudos for Lexmark being the first bio I saw that *does* not start bombing instantly when another party tanks. I miscalculated my damage though when I told him to go for it, so he MVPed anyway, but it was still cool. He even tanked it when I accidentally moved and LOD went on him, which made me feel bad X.x; But yeah, loots were his, no question.
We went to Drake some time today too, and another party (Wiz/Dancer) was there first. So I lured Drake for them and tanked when the IW went down, and they left the loots for us without even saying anything (though we didn't take them; I believe they eventually disappeared, but then again, it was junk). MVPing can work out just fine if the people involved actually think.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Amy~ on May 12, 2008, 08:48:25 am
oooookay.... Emerald sing is on my: "This person is a ***hole list" now
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: tizzi on May 12, 2008, 09:09:32 am
Well, I never stop hoping that people eventually "get it" and realize when they've been rude (which effectively causes these issues) :P
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: pranetcoolman on May 12, 2008, 09:11:02 am
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: ~Axle~ on May 12, 2008, 09:15:24 am
IMHO - Depends on who was there first. If Pyro-harbl was there in the first place, you came along and AD SK using his Icewall...Then I'd say you're quite Lame. Although it's just my opinion, the MvP should ideally go to the one who finds it first. A little respect goes along way.
IMHO - Depends on who was there first. If Pyro-harbl was there in the first place, you came along and AD SK using his Icewall...Then I'd say you're quite Lame. Although it's just my opinion, the MvP should ideally go to the one who finds it first. A little respect goes along way.
Inb4Tori-it'scompetition
Fully agree (including and especially what you stated in that quote). And competition is if you tell me "okay, we two go for SK now and let's see who gets him". If my friend and I are finding and tanking an MVP - and suddenly, after a while, a bio teles in and starts bombing like no tomorrow -- I don't see competition. I just see an ass who wants to steal the MVP we've been working on. And quite frankly, that's probably also what it is. I'm Inb4Tori-it'scompetition too. Way before.
http://www.anthemro.com/forums/index.php/topic,19824.msg477243.html#msg477243 is exactly the reason why the loots are FFA. IMO you were in the right. If they can kill SK like that, they shouldn't need to use your IW. It's basically, they do want to steal 'your' MVP, but they also do want to use your safe IW while doing that (especially sad if the bio otherwise couldn't even kill him. I've seen bios waiting in TF for a wizard to come along - just wait near SK, maybe pretending to be AFK, if they see a wizard heading where SK is, wait another minute or so, so the IW is all set up and then run up and BOMB!).
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Sailor Flameke on May 12, 2008, 06:49:35 pm
oh, i was there first
SK was trapped in four icewalls, making an ice jail, and she just waltzes up and takes? hell the fuck no
like i said earlier, i'm done playing nice with you bios and champs. you take my mvp that I have trapped and contained, i will take your loot, or at the very least, prevent you from getting it. i dont care if its a slotted ring or a ygg berry - dont steal the mvp i've been working on.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Ressy on May 12, 2008, 09:21:51 pm
Next time yell out 1ST!! so they understand they will be walled and or get a DC if they attack/go after loot. I've had this problem in LH3 a lot so when it comes to MVP n Wiz, don't take shit form anyone.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Razer on May 12, 2008, 11:45:09 pm
Effects off and carry magnum break clips. Not hard though I stand next to the MVP and bomb so i get the loots 90% of the times. In fact actually I dont remember running into a Wizard except for one RS foul mouth.
But who cares before AD was even enabled it was Champs and HW all the way for MVPs, why the heck do people hate bios . Also in such situations - no ones words can be taken for granted.
@Tizzi : This means that its not always the Bio at fault.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: toinks on May 13, 2008, 12:31:06 am
Just like what they say, first come, first serve. Although that's not always the situation isn't it?
???
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: MinaOasas on May 13, 2008, 11:12:36 am
IMHO - Depends on who was there first. If Pyro-harbl was there in the first place, you came along and AD SK using his Icewall...Then I'd say you're quite Lame. Although it's just my opinion, the MvP should ideally go to the one who finds it first. A little respect goes along way.
Inb4Tori-it'scompetition
Fully agree (including and especially what you stated in that quote). And competition is if you tell me "okay, we two go for SK now and let's see who gets him". If my friend and I are finding and tanking an MVP - and suddenly, after a while, a bio teles in and starts bombing like no tomorrow -- I don't see competition. I just see an ass who wants to steal the MVP we've been working on. And quite frankly, that's probably also what it is. I'm Inb4Tori-it'scompetition too. Way before.
http://www.anthemro.com/forums/index.php/topic,19824.msg477243.html#msg477243 is exactly the reason why the loots are FFA. IMO you were in the right. If they can kill SK like that, they shouldn't need to use your IW. It's basically, they do want to steal 'your' MVP, but they also do want to use your safe IW while doing that (especially sad if the bio otherwise couldn't even kill him. I've seen bios waiting in TF for a wizard to come along - just wait near SK, maybe pretending to be AFK, if they see a wizard heading where SK is, wait another minute or so, so the IW is all set up and then run up and BOMB!).
There are instances where a Bio has had the time for the MvP and had been looking for it/already hit it and teleported once, though.. and you just think you found it first, when you didn't? It's really hard to judge who has been there first or not, so it doesn't really work.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: paladin181 on May 13, 2008, 03:40:14 pm
The only useful thing I got from is is.. Flamecakes plays again? That's pretty cool. I thought you perma retired or some shit cause of RL being a dick or some such.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Sailor Flameke on May 13, 2008, 04:13:43 pm
The only useful thing I got from is is.. Flamecakes plays again? That's pretty cool. I thought you perma retired or some shit cause of RL being a dick or some such.
yeah, and i decided to not be a dick, and now i'm back
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Aronar on May 13, 2008, 04:39:57 pm
Thats a bitch.~
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Sonata on May 13, 2008, 09:15:54 pm
Two minutes for Stormy Knight on a Wizard. God, I must suck.
If what he says is true then, from what I've seen, it takes around the same time for both Biochemist and Wizard to take down a Stormy, provided that the Biochemist heads straight for the Stormy, while the Wizard can take out both Garms in a couple of seconds each. Wizards can provide more "work" in the same amount of time as a Biochemist. But as with everything, we can't take into account all the uncertainties.
Seriously, people who call Wizards who Ice Wall loots away from an opportunist are dicks themselves. I'm sure that if the opportunity presented itself, they themselves would seize upon it, whether it be the preemptive or the retaliation.
And Champs are a shitty class for MvP'ing. Good solo, but crappy with competition.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: ORGUSS on May 13, 2008, 09:53:33 pm
ITT: Bitches crying.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: tizzi on May 13, 2008, 11:57:36 pm
Two minutes for Stormy Knight on a Wizard. God, I must suck.
If what he says is true then, from what I've seen, it takes around the same time for both Biochemist and Wizard to take down a Stormy, provided that the Biochemist heads straight for the Stormy, while the Wizard can take out both Garms in a couple of seconds each.
Garms take about 25 seconds each on a wizard. But yeah. Bios don't take two minutes; I don't know how much they're hitting for exactly, but if it's 60k, SK will die to 4-5 ADs - thus around 5-10 seconds.
(If you really want to be cheap, get a Sage and SK will die in 10 seconds :P Fixed in the new episode though.)
There are instances where a Bio has had the time for the MvP and had been looking for it/already hit it and teleported once, though.. and you just think you found it first, when you didn't? It's really hard to judge who has been there first or not, so it doesn't really work.
I believe I was refering to the situations where .. you simply were first. The "thinking I was first" part doesn't really enter here, I was talking about the behaviour in general. For the sake of the argument, assume that they were not first and that they did want to steal the MVP; because that's the case 95% of the time.
In the situation I had in the back of my head it was quite simple - we tanked an Abysmal Knight, a bio teled in and started bombing like crazy. We know we were first because the bio came to geff4 with us, made a snide remark because he thought we were here for MVPing and knew the times (when in fact we were training and no MVPs were in geff4), he teled away instantly and we walked down where the AK was. Got one GC down, we tanked, he teles in and instantly bombs it like crazy. Of course, the normal KS rules applied, and since he didn't apologize for a move that would be pretty low to start with .. *shrugs*
(In addition, on some MVPs you can tell if you're the absolutely first person to see it, because they won't spawn their mob until a player enters the screen. From what I've read, MVPs don't move in Aegis until they're first seen (for whatever reason), which was a big topic in the eAthena development forums. Other times you can simply assume it from the time you've been there, how long it takes until they power/agi up, what mob they have on them and so on :P )
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: pyromania on May 14, 2008, 12:09:35 am
some1 did the same thing to me. i mvp gtb then he ice wall my way n take loot then tele away >:(
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: Razer on May 14, 2008, 01:11:52 am
Thing is Bios are being generalised as the* evil hide behind ice wall and ADers*. I dont think HW are saints - the very reason that spam useless cie wall to lag and DC is a cheap tactic. Though MVP loots are FFA - there are certain HW who are well below lowly as per ethics go.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: MinaOasas on May 14, 2008, 08:20:54 am
Two minutes for Stormy Knight on a Wizard. God, I must suck.
If what he says is true then, from what I've seen, it takes around the same time for both Biochemist and Wizard to take down a Stormy, provided that the Biochemist heads straight for the Stormy, while the Wizard can take out both Garms in a couple of seconds each.
Garms take about 25 seconds each on a wizard. But yeah. Bios don't take two minutes; I don't know how much they're hitting for exactly, but if it's 60k, SK will die to 4-5 ADs - thus around 5-10 seconds.
(If you really want to be cheap, get a Sage and SK will die in 10 seconds :P Fixed in the new episode though.)
There are instances where a Bio has had the time for the MvP and had been looking for it/already hit it and teleported once, though.. and you just think you found it first, when you didn't? It's really hard to judge who has been there first or not, so it doesn't really work.
I believe I was refering to the situations where .. you simply were first. The "thinking I was first" part doesn't really enter here, I was talking about the behaviour in general. For the sake of the argument, assume that they were not first and that they did want to steal the MVP; because that's the case 95% of the time.
In the situation I had in the back of my head it was quite simple - we tanked an Abysmal Knight, a bio teled in and started bombing like crazy. We know we were first because the bio came to geff4 with us, made a snide remark because he thought we were here for MVPing and knew the times (when in fact we were training and no MVPs were in geff4), he teled away instantly and we walked down where the AK was. Got one GC down, we tanked, he teles in and instantly bombs it like crazy. Of course, the normal KS rules applied, and since he didn't apologize for a move that would be pretty low to start with .. *shrugs*
(In addition, on some MVPs you can tell if you're the absolutely first person to see it, because they won't spawn their mob until a player enters the screen. From what I've read, MVPs don't move in Aegis until they're first seen (for whatever reason), which was a big topic in the eAthena development forums. Other times you can simply assume it from the time you've been there, how long it takes until they power/agi up, what mob they have on them and so on :P )
If the bio had the times as he/she claimed, then that falls under my "he/she had the time for them and was looking for it" explanation. Granted, he/she shouldn't have taken your AK.. maybe he/she didn't know what kind of monster it was?
Also, there have been plenty of times I've hit Garm, the mob hasn't spawned and I tele away before it hits me. So, I really don't know the accuracy of that last statement. There's also the, "What if another lower-level character stumbled upon it first, causing the mob to spawn?" such as in TF, where there are a lot of lower-level characters who die on SK. So, because his mob is spawned, I should just sit there and see if someone else was going after him first? Who in their right mind would do that? No one.
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: tizzi on May 16, 2008, 04:42:09 am
If the bio had the times as he/she claimed, then that falls under my "he/she had the time for them and was looking for it" explanation. Granted, he/she shouldn't have taken your AK.. maybe he/she didn't know what kind of monster it was?
He thought we had the time and made some witty remarks about it. AFAIK there were no MVPs in Geffen at that time :) Though, I don't share your definition. Your definition, in fact, is why I *strongly* support implementing and following the official randomized spawn timers, and I hope they will be implemented for all MVPs (not just the new ones, which - thank God - have them) in the new episode.
Also, there have been plenty of times I've hit Garm, the mob hasn't spawned and I tele away before it hits me. So, I really don't know the accuracy of that last statement.
It is accurate; there was a lengthy discussion on eAthena about how to implement the Convex Mirror item and how Aegis does it, with people from iRO testing it. If you keep your eyes open, you'll probably the spawning thing yourself too. If you've seen Garm mobless though, it confirms the statement, because Garm spawns his mob with 100% chance in its idle state, which means that you whould never see him without his mob if the statement were false. :P
There's also the, "What if another lower-level character stumbled upon it first, causing the mob to spawn?" such as in TF, where there are a lot of lower-level characters who die on SK. So, because his mob is spawned, I should just sit there and see if someone else was going after him first?
I believe you're missing the point. My point was that there *are* situtation where you *know* for sure that you were the first person to see an MVP. (Also, may try not to full quote - full quotes look ugly, and if this reply is full quoted, it'll probably make the thread explode with text)
Thing is Bios are being generalised as the* evil hide behind ice wall and ADers*.
Yes, this is because usually that's what happens. I won't even say *evil hide behind the ice wall*, because they'll bomb as well if they see your party using resources and taking effort and risks tanking an MVP, to get a cheap kill; or just an ego boost out of the fact that they can make damage numbers fly faster than, eg. a crusader (non-trans) with GC and no holy armor. Those who play their bios professionally (as in, not just acting completely brainless and actually having it a long-term character with reputation and so on) probably suffer from this generalisation created by the hundreds of noob (bought) creators that only know "Acid Demonstration" and are completely obliviant to any alchemist skills .. because they never were alchemists. It's quite interesting to see creators starting to smack IWs or even AD them (I mean, wth, is AD the solution to everything!) when they have a merchant skill (I believe) that would likely do the job much better.
I dont think HW are saints - the very reason that spam useless cie wall to lag and DC is a cheap tactic. Though MVP loots are FFA - there are certain HW who are well below lowly as per ethics go.
No, they're not, I never stated they are. There are enough asses for HWs as well. When we're tanking a Bloody Knight (again same scenario, non-trans, crusader) and a 99 HW with PCB tries to steal it for .. what again? - then that's a pretty low move. Relating to Tori's it'scompetition!! - that's like seeing a local race (=worthless mvp) with all eight year olds ("non-trans") and you're joining in as a 22 year old (trans ;P) after winnning several (inter)national races (level99, you won't get anything out of it) to show them how you'll pwn them. Yeah, you're gonna win, and you're going to be soooo great when you receive the Brigan it drops.* *) we won, since we had a two lap headstart. and how do you make your text smaller than size=1? <.<
I would say complaining is justified if the wizard IWs to loot when they haven't done anything out of the ordinary. However, when they've killed both Garms and are pounding damage into SK, and then someone comes, conveniently stands behind *their* IW to simply click "Acid Demonstration" four times, then that's hardly nothing. These are essentially very different ways (if you relate the amount of work and risk in that scenario) of killing that MVP, and it's not like the wizard wouldn't have been able to kill SK. They already stole the EXP (whilst cheaply abusing the wizard's work), at least leave the poor bugger the loots. Stealing the EXP, making use of the work of others and then also wanting to loot them, now that's just greedy. That is why in this case, I support the view of the wizard. If you want your MVP, at least do some work, have some dignity. Don't use the IW, face SK and bomb him, while walking him around. You'd get the loots then anyway, but standing behind the IW and rubbing it in their face just pushes it :P
But yeah, not limited to a single class, if that's what you were driving at. I simply mentioning these classes because they're the classes that were involved in this complaint :) The cheap tactic wasn't even in question; the whole thing is more about the hypocrisy of crying "they're MVP-loot stealing" (fully aware they were stealing the loots) when "they're MVP-kill stealing" (fully aware they were going to steal the MVP).
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: SwiftStrike on May 16, 2008, 10:23:51 am
long posts.... its a cruel world, its freeforall mvps
just another reason to kos in pvp :D
Title: Re: MVp an loot stealing?
Post by: tizzi on May 16, 2008, 07:51:32 pm