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Title: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Shi-Woon Yi on March 21, 2012, 12:23:08 am
Well another list of questions. Thanks for helping!

1. What does a Champion mainly do in WOE? Just randomly asura people?
2. Which ET midgear will suit a Champion more? Or does it not matter and a Awe/Ewe will do?
3. How long did it take for the Amazon donating to get back on after it was down last time?
4. Why is a PCB better for a Champion? What about other equips?

Edit:
5. Skin of Ventus +7 vs + 7 Deviling Muffler? Or does it not matter that much?
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: HzVee on March 21, 2012, 01:25:35 am
Well another list of questions. Thanks for helping!

1. What does a Champion mainly do in WOE? Just randomly asura people?
2. Which ET midgear will suit a Champion more? Or does it not matter and a Awe/Ewe will do?
3. How long did it take for the Amazon donating to get back on after it was down last time?
4. Why is a PCB better for a Champion? What about other equips?

I don't main monk/champ, but as far as I know they asura people and pneuma friends in WoE. Sometimes they use throw spirit sphere as well to less sturdy class like wiz /heh

I'd like to know more too, so I'll leave a reply here.  ;)
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Shi-Woon Yi on March 21, 2012, 02:44:20 am
Well another list of questions. Thanks for helping!

1. What does a Champion mainly do in WOE? Just randomly asura people?
2. Which ET midgear will suit a Champion more? Or does it not matter and a Awe/Ewe will do?
3. How long did it take for the Amazon donating to get back on after it was down last time?
4. Why is a PCB better for a Champion? What about other equips?

I don't main monk/champ, but as far as I know they asura people and pneuma friends in WoE. Sometimes they use throw spirit sphere as well to less sturdy class like wiz /heh

I'd like to know more too, so I'll leave a reply here.  ;)

I did not know that! Thank you for sharing.

Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: ming on March 21, 2012, 02:48:18 am
Heh I used to play champ but was never really good at it. As for your questions.

1. Yes champ usually just asura in woe. They Runwatch and body relocate around to find hidden enemies too. Pneuma guild mates and fo if someone is in safety wall.

2. Et mid is good but awe/ewe would be enough.

3. I don't donate so I don't know the time about amazon.

4. Champ can use any other mouth piece too but as far as I know. In pvp def is essential to reduce damage during champ duel, so pcb is champs 1st choice.

Like I said at the top. I suck at champ but this is what I think to your questions. Hope it helps :)
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Shi-Woon Yi on March 21, 2012, 05:57:57 am
Heh I used to play champ but was never really good at it. As for your questions.

1. Yes champ usually just asura in woe. They Runwatch and body relocate around to find hidden enemies too. Pneuma guild mates and fo if someone is in safety wall.

2. Et mid is good but awe/ewe would be enough.

3. I don't donate so I don't know the time about amazon.

4. Champ can use any other mouth piece too but as far as I know. In pvp def is essential to reduce damage during champ duel, so pcb is champs 1st choice.

Like I said at the top. I suck at champ but this is what I think to your questions. Hope it helps :)

Thank you very much. This sounds helpful! :D
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: rolover on March 21, 2012, 09:10:54 am
I also don't run champ that much but...

1. raging palm strike is also used at times because you can stack a few before the 1st 1 goes off, slightly more useful in PvP due to the push back. they also tend to melee people first to watch for reflect dmg and if they're wearing OL then they will generally try to FO (good to have a wind fist because likely its a water OL). Occult can be used for high DEF targets that may present an issue for other strategies. Blade stop can be used defensively to take out key players (if you can't kill them)

2. whichever ET mid gives STR or INT (I don't know what they all are off by hand) awe/ewe is ok (at least they're not acc bound)

3. Amazon was off for 3 days last time, though that was a different issue I think? I thought it was fixed yesterday

4. Gangster scarf? or w/e gives +5 STR should be good? I've always seen PCB as useless
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Randomninja on March 21, 2012, 09:55:59 am
I also don't run champ that much but...

1. raging palm strike is also used at times because you can stack a few before the 1st 1 goes off, slightly more useful in PvP due to the push back. they also tend to melee people first to watch for reflect dmg and if they're wearing OL then they will generally try to FO (good to have a wind fist because likely its a water OL). Occult can be used for high DEF targets that may present an issue for other strategies. Blade stop can be used defensively to take out key players (if you can't kill them)

2. whichever ET mid gives STR or INT (I don't know what they all are off by hand) awe/ewe is ok (at least they're not acc bound)

3. Amazon was off for 3 days last time, though that was a different issue I think? I thought it was fixed yesterday

4. Gangster scarf? or w/e gives +5 STR should be good? I've always seen PCB as useless

Pretty sure Gangster Scarf gives +5 ATK and not str
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Shi-Woon Yi on March 21, 2012, 10:00:25 am
I also don't run champ that much but...

1. raging palm strike is also used at times because you can stack a few before the 1st 1 goes off, slightly more useful in PvP due to the push back. they also tend to melee people first to watch for reflect dmg and if they're wearing OL then they will generally try to FO (good to have a wind fist because likely its a water OL). Occult can be used for high DEF targets that may present an issue for other strategies. Blade stop can be used defensively to take out key players (if you can't kill them)

2. whichever ET mid gives STR or INT (I don't know what they all are off by hand) awe/ewe is ok (at least they're not acc bound)

3. Amazon was off for 3 days last time, though that was a different issue I think? I thought it was fixed yesterday

4. Gangster scarf? or w/e gives +5 STR should be good? I've always seen PCB as useless

Wow. What you gave for number 1 really helps me out. Thanks a lot :D
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: rolover on March 21, 2012, 10:07:56 am
wicked scarf*
http://www.animusro.com/index.php?p=shop&action=detail&id=2146 (http://www.animusro.com/index.php?p=shop&action=detail&id=2146)
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: singer of strange songs on March 21, 2012, 11:27:03 am
1. Pneuma and safety wall defense, Ruwach hidden enemies, asura people, and don't forget this. It screws people up sometimes.

http://irowiki.org/wiki/Spiritual_Sphere_Absorption (http://irowiki.org/wiki/Spiritual_Sphere_Absorption)

2. Get the one that givs Int or Str. Not really needed though.

3. Not a donator so I'll never know

4. The monks I have been hanging around with have been using the Geeks Pencil since it gives 7 int.

5. Go with Skin of Ventus. Both give the same defense but SoV gives 2 mdef and 200 more hp.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: rolover on March 21, 2012, 11:59:36 am
1. Pneuma and safety wall defense, Ruwach hidden enemies, asura people, and don't forget this. It screws people up sometimes.

http://irowiki.org/wiki/Spiritual_Sphere_Absorption (http://irowiki.org/wiki/Spiritual_Sphere_Absorption)
4. The monks I have been hanging around with have been using the Geeks Pencil since it gives 7 int.
1. good point 8)

4. I dunno about that though, unless I'm missing something INT is only used for the SP, I would think if Scarf can get you to the next STR break point that its much more effective
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: singer of strange songs on March 21, 2012, 12:15:22 pm
4. I dunno about that though, unless I'm missing something INT is only used for the SP, I would think if Scarf can get you to the next STR break point that its much more effective

Hmm...

Quote
Damage is derived from this formula: ATK * (8 + Remaining SP/10) + Skill Level Bonus. As a result, the following characteristics determine what is needed to maximize damage:

    As much Base ATK as possible; due to this, Monks oriented to Guillotine will have very high STR.
    As much SP as possible; if a card slot can't add to STR (or reach the next bonus of it), it should instead be used for SP adding cards.


Since asura relies on both Str and the amount of sp you have to be effective, both lower head gears would be good. The only difference would be the Geek Pencil giving 7 stats points.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: rolover on March 21, 2012, 12:25:32 pm
Yes but it all depends on how much str you can muster b4 the lower gear. Even in the quote it says you should prioritize STR first. Because STR break points adds a great amount of ATK the higher you go while INT doesn't have breakpoints for SP. If you (Shi-woon) really wanted you could do a calculation based on the SP mod of the champ and the ATK you would get with 5 STR (if you even hit a new break point, or find someone that has both).
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: singer of strange songs on March 21, 2012, 12:33:13 pm
Yes but it all depends on how much str you can muster b4 the lower gear. Even in the quote it says you should prioritize STR first. Because STR break points adds a great amount of ATK the higher you go while INT doesn't have breakpoints for SP. If you (Shi-woon) really wanted you could do a calculation based on the SP mod of the champ and the ATK you would get with 5 STR (if you even hit a new break point, or find someone that has both).

It seems there is something I am missing lol. If this is the case then why are most champs using the pencil? /hmm

Gear limitations perhaps?
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: rolover on March 21, 2012, 12:52:03 pm
MAJOR EDIT: It is almost ALWAYS that STR will be in the higher range compared to INT wrt base stats.
So even if +5 STR DOESN'T put you on a higher break point, the 5 STR you save could definitely get you more than or equal to 7 INT (am I wrong?)
People may run Geek Pencil because it is applicable to more classes???

Here, I'll help with some math part. Granted, as I said I don't Champ much so I'm no expert, this is more going off theory.

Full list of possible bonuses someone would use:
Kaho +20 STR/INT
Celeb +10 STR/INT
Mantis Bris +16 STR/+10 INT
AWE/EWE +1 STR
ET Mids +2 STR OR +2 INT
Vanberk +2 STR
Valk Armor? +1 STR/INT
Di/DL combo +10% MSP
Wicked Scarf +5 STR
Geek Pencil +7 INT
Suiken +30 STR/+20 INT
Sleips +20% MSP
Job Bonus: +9 STR/+7 INT
SP Mod (iro wiki):
Total = round_down{round_down[(10 + blvl * mod)*(1 + 0.01*INT)] * %mods} * 1.25
where mod is 4.7 for Monks

will elaborate more on actual calculations but here's the post

Using Asura formula above,
*editing* at work :<
again easier if you can just find some1
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Shi-Woon Yi on March 21, 2012, 01:37:42 pm
Oh well thanks! I can save monoey and just get a gangster scarf now. :D And Im learning a lot by reading these. Thank you for sharing!
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: rolover on March 21, 2012, 01:39:59 pm
wicked scarf >:(

also just a quick reference:
5 STR in the mid 80s will still get you 7 INT in the mid 50s
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: doommaker on March 21, 2012, 06:06:35 pm
The five strength isn't really helpful at all! Geek pencil is the way to go it not only helps you heal but your max sp, asura already gives bonus 1000 attack but the amount of sp you have actually influences the damage more then attack because of the formula.. the scarf is nothing compared to geek pencil.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Shi-Woon Yi on March 21, 2012, 06:56:42 pm
The five strength isn't really helpful at all! Geek pencil is the way to go it not only helps you heal but your max sp, asura already gives bonus 1000 attack but the amount of sp you have actually influences the damage more then attack because of the formula.. the scarf is nothing compared to geek pencil.

Hes saying that because Champions usually carry a certain amount of int around 50s to 60s. It's best to use the scarf so you can use less points on Str thus putting more points in Int. Thus making them either even or the scarf better.

Since most builds usually have higher str.
Around 120-130 Str.
50-60 Int.
140-150 Dex.
Leftover in Vit.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: rolover on March 21, 2012, 07:32:47 pm
The five strength isn't really helpful at all! Geek pencil is the way to go it not only helps you heal but your max sp, asura already gives bonus 1000 attack but the amount of sp you have actually influences the damage more then attack because of the formula.. the scarf is nothing compared to geek pencil.
dude theres not much difference between lv1 and lv5 asura
the +atk from the skill comes in AFTER the multiplier calculations lol
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: ming on March 22, 2012, 12:38:53 am
Use ancient scroll. Aspd to spam fo! Lol

Btw with if you wanna obtain 130-140 str you'll need about 50 to 60 base str only at 99/70 if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: darkdreamer72 on March 22, 2012, 01:17:51 am
I use Geek Pencil cuz im full SP champ /slur
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Shi-Woon Yi on March 22, 2012, 03:05:55 am
I use Geek Pencil cuz im full SP champ /slur

Wouldnt that hard though sometimes? Because I thought a lot of people wear deviling and those other stuff to reduce it. So how are you able to pull a successful Asura on them? xD

Sorry Im newb. T.T
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: rolover on March 22, 2012, 08:11:22 am
as long as the stats of 5 Str doesn't beat out 7 int then geek pencil all the way 8)
I think fully geared champs can get 180 Str no?
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: ming on March 22, 2012, 08:45:18 am
as long as the stats of 5 Str doesn't beat out 7 int then geek pencil all the way 8)
I think fully geared champs can get 180 Str no?

yea i could reach 180 str but then it would means i have to sacrifice a lot of other stat points which i dont think is recommended.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: rolover on March 22, 2012, 09:27:44 am
so how much base str do champs get usually? 50-70? and int? 50-70? I don't know these things ;o
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Forsaken on March 22, 2012, 11:12:10 am
Make sure your total str is divisible by 10, any extra stat points are wasted (every 10 str = big breakpoint). Get 150 Dex, and make sure you always use awakening potions (it really does help your HSS/FO spam).

Your goal is to asura targets, especially frozen targets. Of course some people wear Marc or something for WoE so it's a good idea to asura breakers and whatnot too.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Tavo on March 22, 2012, 02:41:54 pm
Well another list of questions. Thanks for helping!

I mainly Champ and Bio at woe.

1. What does a Champion mainly do in WOE? Just randomly asura people?

Champs asura not because they have ALOT of skills to do , but we actually have other use For example:

Long range DPS = Pneuma
Melee DPS = Blade Stop let people low his HP and asura.
Status them
Asura those hidden classes and Frozen / Stone and etcc . Targets.
Finger Offensive those Long Range Targets and try to get close to asura.

2. Which ET midgear will suit a Champion more? Or does it not matter and a Awe/Ewe will do?
For woe a DI ET mid is quite cool , that +1 dex and +1 int is quite helpful.
But any DI mid will work fine.

3. How long did it take for the Amazon donating to get back on after it was down last time?
No idea to this

4. Why is a PCB better for a Champion? What about other equips?
Ok PCB is not like the better option but its one of the best out of 3 or 4.

Ill consider myself using either a Wicked Scarf or a Geek Pencil or the Donut in Mouth lowgear (the one that gives 3% Attack)

Edit:
5. Skin of Ventus +7 vs + 7 Deviling Muffler? Or does it not matter that much?
Get a Dev Diab Mant , Nuff said.

Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: rolover on March 22, 2012, 03:14:48 pm
just a quick note :police: champs cant use SW xD
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Shi-Woon Yi on March 23, 2012, 02:21:27 am
Well another list of questions. Thanks for helping!

I mainly Champ and Bio at woe.

1. What does a Champion mainly do in WOE? Just randomly asura people?

Champs asura not because they have ALOT of skills to do , but we actually have other use For example:

Long range DPS = Pneuma
Melee DPS = Blade Stop let people low his HP and asura.
Status them
Asura those hidden classes and Frozen / Stone and etcc . Targets.
Finger Offensive those Long Range Targets and try to get close to asura.

2. Which ET midgear will suit a Champion more? Or does it not matter and a Awe/Ewe will do?
For woe a DI ET mid is quite cool , that +1 dex and +1 int is quite helpful.
But any DI mid will work fine.

3. How long did it take for the Amazon donating to get back on after it was down last time?
No idea to this

4. Why is a PCB better for a Champion? What about other equips?
Ok PCB is not like the better option but its one of the best out of 3 or 4.

Ill consider myself using either a Wicked Scarf or a Geek Pencil or the Donut in Mouth lowgear (the one that gives 3% Attack)

Edit:
5. Skin of Ventus +7 vs + 7 Deviling Muffler? Or does it not matter that much?
Get a Dev Diab Mant , Nuff said.


Wouldd a +4 Devi Diab suffice?
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: aone on March 23, 2012, 04:27:11 am
clear traps w/body relo also.

geek pencil for higher int for higher sp during sp dance which exceeds scarf. but individually it's up to you and whatever build you're comfortable with. same with mids.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Tavo on March 23, 2012, 09:55:14 am
@Shi : It doesnt matter , +4 would do very good.

Ima tell you that also you should get a +4 Raydric Diab Mant aswell.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Nuber on March 26, 2012, 06:34:19 am
1) Asura frozen/stoned targets. Use pneuma on allies to prevent ranged damage. RPS at times to stack damage if you like. Body Relocate to remove enemy snares.

2) I would actually suggest the vit+3 ET mid with a DI card in it for woe. Kiel for pvp.

4) I would suggest geek pencil in woe for better asura and heal, and pcb in pvp for the +5 def which is helpful in duels.

5) Get a Devi Diab Mant and also a Noxious Diab Mant. +4 will do fine. I hardly ever use Raydric.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Shi-Woon Yi on March 26, 2012, 07:06:10 am
1) Asura frozen/stoned targets. Use pneuma on allies to prevent ranged damage. RPS at times to stack damage if you like. Body Relocate to remove enemy snares.

2) I would actually suggest the vit+3 ET mid with a DI card in it for woe. Kiel for pvp.

4) I would suggest geek pencil in woe for better asura and heal, and pcb in pvp for the +5 def which is helpful in duels.

5) Get a Devi Diab Mant and also a Noxious Diab Mant. +4 will do fine. I hardly ever use Raydric.

Would the devi diabolus have to be +7? :O
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Nuber on March 26, 2012, 07:13:42 am
1) Asura frozen/stoned targets. Use pneuma on allies to prevent ranged damage. RPS at times to stack damage if you like. Body Relocate to remove enemy snares.

2) I would actually suggest the vit+3 ET mid with a DI card in it for woe. Kiel for pvp.

4) I would suggest geek pencil in woe for better asura and heal, and pcb in pvp for the +5 def which is helpful in duels.

5) Get a Devi Diab Mant and also a Noxious Diab Mant. +4 will do fine. I hardly ever use Raydric.

Would the devi diabolus have to be +7? :O

I used +7's, but +4 works fine.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Shi-Woon Yi on March 26, 2012, 04:22:35 pm
I decided to buy other things for now. +7 Deviling Muffler, and such and upgrade on it after I get a suiken.
Btw would a +7 Silkrobe Ghostring be better than a +7 GR Glitterig? Since Silkrobe has 10mdef??
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: rolover on March 26, 2012, 04:39:30 pm
depends on how much weight you wanna hold and how much emphasis you put on DEF and MDEF respectively
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: ming on March 27, 2012, 02:14:14 pm
I decided to buy other things for now. +7 Deviling Muffler, and such and upgrade on it after I get a suiken.
Btw would a +7 Silkrobe Ghostring be better than a +7 GR Glitterig? Since Silkrobe has 10mdef??

I would suggest the gr glittering jacket since its universal.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: aone on March 27, 2012, 06:59:41 pm
personally, i don't and try not to overup anything. the overup is mainly for resale value.

and in woe, i will always choose mdef over def. not to mention weight. i use formals over glits for regular armors, but you really should be using diabolus robes as champ.
Title: Re: Some questions! Mostly about Champions but there's also other things.
Post by: Shi-Woon Yi on March 27, 2012, 07:30:02 pm
personally, i don't and try not to overup anything. the overup is mainly for resale value.

and in woe, i will always choose mdef over def. not to mention weight. i use formals over glits for regular armors, but you really should be using diabolus robes as champ.

For now Im woeing as a Monk for NT Woe. Ill get gears for it now. The basics and when I really want to upgrade and switch to trans woe, Ill resell the gears. And by that time, I would have bought other things I would need since I bought cheaper gears. Well thats my plan anyways.