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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: Lavitiz on February 15, 2012, 07:20:33 pm
Title: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 15, 2012, 07:20:33 pm
Alright, so I'm making my first Assassin class character.
I was told to go Specialty Jur[4] with Doppel Mobster Mobster Alligator or DDMM.
I personally won't have the Vit for the External bleeding this weapon causes. That and I won't really need an aligator that bad because of my current equips and setup. I have plenty of Crit as it is.
I was curious about a Jur[3] DDM. It has a much higher base attack than the spec jur, and it doesn't harm myself while using it.
Would this be a reasonable alt for the Spec Jur[4]? If not, can anyone explain why, and what would be a reasonable replacement?
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: The Mystic on February 15, 2012, 08:03:04 pm
Is this weapon for WoE/PvP or PvM?
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 15, 2012, 08:10:49 pm
DDEE. 2x dopp and double eremes guile (non-MVP). It's a better version of mobster for demi humans.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: ~RenaLandford~ on February 15, 2012, 08:51:10 pm
Their damage is comparable. Most people that go Spec Jur, go vit build. I asked a friend, and they said they haven't seen it proc very often but if that's not the case, they would go with Jur [3]. They also said a Spec Jur has more resale value than a normal Jur. Some good weapons to use are +10 DDPT (2x Doppel, Phreeoni, Turtle General) Main Gauche and +10 DDP Gladius (Both daggers, and are easier to sell when you plan to sell these). For basic, use a DD dagger to start, and then rest as you progress. And in terms of leveling, you'll need to pick leveling spots and get suitable racial/elemental/size weapons to be effective in them.
Edit: Note this. Eremes Guile doesn't work with daggers. Double attacks bypass crit so you won't crit enough with daggers. On Jur, yes. Katars double crit rate, so you would be able to crit enough with katars.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: The Mystic on February 15, 2012, 09:04:45 pm
My baby is all grown up :<
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: ~RenaLandford~ on February 15, 2012, 09:12:35 pm
Oh shush.~ *hugs and kisses lots* ♥ ♥ ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
Anyways, going back on topic, my friend suggested maybe trying DDME Jur (2x Doppel, Mobster, Eremes Guile).
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: ratsparxx on February 15, 2012, 09:20:26 pm
Im not sure about that though. Because Eremes is primarily good against Demi human. If he is focussed only on woe/pvp then what Nate suggested works too. If he wants to use it for leveling then he may need another option.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: The Mystic on February 15, 2012, 09:22:05 pm
If I remember right the custom eremes here gives +15 crit to demi, 15% more crit damage and 15% more damage to demihumans. The critical and racial damage will multiply so it is the best choice. Rena your friend may not know of the custom addition to our eremes. That's why I made that bow. Gonna have to double check once I get in. As for PvM mobsters works well with the weapon I picked out.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: ratsparxx on February 15, 2012, 09:22:55 pm
Yup Nate, didn't know about it. Lol.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: ~RenaLandford~ on February 15, 2012, 09:25:52 pm
If I remember right the custom eremes here gives +15 crit to demi, 15% more crit damage and 15% more damage to demihumans. The critical and racial damage will multiply so it is the best choice. Rena your friend may not know of the custom addition to our eremes. That's why I made that bow. Gonna have to double check once I get in. As for PvM mobsters works well with the weapon I picked out.
You know I can check it for you right? *sigh* I can double check it for you.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: The Mystic on February 15, 2012, 09:29:41 pm
That would be great.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: ~RenaLandford~ on February 15, 2012, 09:46:04 pm
I suppose but for myself it's not worth spending an extra 7 ads. My crit is perfect with the gear I have. Might as well go for a mobster.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: rolover on February 15, 2012, 10:50:36 pm
You'd be an idiot if you paid w/ ads for ereme, check the vend browser
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 16, 2012, 01:48:41 am
o.o Alright, I'll take a look tomorrow morning. Thanks for a nudge. Might have spared me. :-P
EDIT: Just looked on the vend browser, and my mouth basically hit the floor. Why does Eremes sell for 10 ads in the ad shop but sell for 2 mill in game? I was sitting here thinking everything was overpriced and crap with ad-zenny conversions. Whole crap, thanks for pointing that out. You spared me on that one. Thanks a ton.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: The Mystic on February 16, 2012, 09:27:20 am
There was a event a while ago that flooded the server in cards making pretty much a lot of non-MVP cards very cheap. A lot of cards aren't worth their ad value though.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: thephi on February 16, 2012, 10:28:42 am
Personally i would go daggers Lil bit more expensive but easier to sell and it be good in woe DDPT AND DDP and in pvm u will need like IP and then you would need ck so relatively expensive but its better
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: rolover on February 16, 2012, 10:54:19 am
Eremes was a more recent custom card, they used to be like 200k and only 1 ad
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 16, 2012, 11:59:29 am
Personally i would go daggers Lil bit more expensive but easier to sell and it be good in woe DDPT AND DDP and in pvm u will need like IP and then you would need ck so relatively expensive but its better
Personally, I think Katars are better. The high crit makes dex and hit not nearly as troublesome. Freeing up some dex. There are several downsides in my opinion. Katars cannot be used across characters. And of course are not sold as much. However I feel Katars allow you to fully make use of your character. You can use all skills including Sonic Blow, plus getting the crit needed isn't really that hard if you have the gear. Katars double the crit shown. Approximately. So I don't really not much if any dex, and my luk doesn't need to be high either. Which allows me to utilize Str and Vit for WoE. Adding survivability and also adding to my damage. There's always going to pros and cons to both, but I'm a Katar kind of person. To be honest, I was a Dagger person at first. Until I tried Katars.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: The Mystic on February 16, 2012, 02:58:51 pm
Daggers are only good for poking magic classes in PvP w/ gtb on. That's about it.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Riou212 on February 26, 2012, 12:18:07 am
lav u still cant beat me :3 till you do that u cant over come what a true warrior is -epic pose- lol
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 26, 2012, 03:03:53 am
i told u if u used EDP u would have WOULD HAVE killed me. and i beat knivesy by poking her my SP hit sucks balls lol
I'm working on saving for my SQIs. Why would I waste an EDP bottle on you? Lol. Buying them is spendy and farming them takes time that I could be earning zenny. Lols. I think I'll save that stuff AFTER I get my SQIs. The only thing I'd go out of mt way to get EDPs for at this point is capping in WoE.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: The Mystic on February 26, 2012, 02:55:53 pm
Don't get cocky lavitz.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 26, 2012, 07:43:28 pm
Not trying to be cocky. I just get frustrated when other people tell me I suck. Dx. I work hard to try to get what I have. Riou doesn't really, I've just been highly annoyed by those others who like to put me down. Sorry Riou, not trying to be cocky. =o
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Riou212 on February 27, 2012, 02:07:26 pm
its called tough love lav u can beat me dispite all my gears when i tell you you suck u should turn around and put me in my place thats what we do anyone can kill any body if done properly and lav your crit build is great but u must know your limitaitions just like if u kill me ill do a SP or berserk and poke u to death to prove a point. im just one guy lav in WoE your fighting maybe 3~6 of me they dont play fair you need to know what u can do and make that an advantage ill help u but you must learn things on your own and if you decide to get cocky ill put u in ur place simple as that just like if i were to get cocky ud do the same.
Lav crit sins are great but ur current build makes u weak to certain attacks cause if someone with crit goes to hit u ur dead cause u lack the HP to kill them in all honesty u need redux and vit build along with crit and ull see what i mean
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 27, 2012, 05:58:26 pm
Lav crit sins are great but ur current build makes u weak to certain attacks cause if someone with crit goes to hit u ur dead cause u lack the HP to kill them in all honesty u need redux and vit build along with crit and ull see what i mean
I've already changed my builds. I'm currently WoEing and PvPing with as much vit as I can get after getting my Str and the little Luk I need for my crit. I have over 10k HP. I won't be specific on the amount due to the fact I don't want everyone knowing my details. That plus my GR/ED Swaps are working great. <33
On a side note, it seems my ED Glistening Coat is doing better than my GR Mink Coat against FO moves. Is this mathematically correct?
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Riou212 on February 27, 2012, 06:20:06 pm
depends on what they are FOing u for and what element
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 27, 2012, 08:19:00 pm
depends on what they are FOing u for and what element
The element can change?
Yes, if there is no change in elemental bonuses then it could be the def between the armors.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: rolover on February 27, 2012, 09:43:32 pm
likely cursed water?
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: The Mystic on February 27, 2012, 09:58:53 pm
Well that would result in a insane damage reduction, the only bit that would of hit is the holy seeking. If he gives us a bit more accurate damage values I could probably guess what the modifier was.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 28, 2012, 12:10:18 am
Well that would result in a insane damage reduction, the only bit that would of hit is the holy seeking. If he gives us a bit more accurate damage values I could probably guess what the modifier was.
17-28 Per Sphere hit? Unless he was just way weaker than me. *Shrugs*
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: The Mystic on February 28, 2012, 12:21:17 am
You were able to flee that hit. The 17-28 damage was the seeking holy damage from spheres. It is normally 50-80 per hit but put in def and vit calculations and the holy element vs your ED and it would probably come out to the amount you were hit with. Your ED is also in a glittering jacket which can inflict blind when you are hit, so that could of drop the champs hit down low enough until he would miss fairly often.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 28, 2012, 01:59:07 am
You were able to flee that hit. The 17-28 damage was the seeking holy damage from spheres. It is normally 50-80 per hit but put in def and vit calculations and the holy element vs your ED and it would probably come out to the amount you were hit with. Your ED is also in a glittering jacket which can inflict blind when you are hit, so that could of drop the champs hit down low enough until he would miss fairly often.
So my question is this. I have a hard time figuring when I should use ED and GR. Obviously GR is going to be best against neutral, but what about ED VS GR VS other Elements?
Also, a second question. I generally go 99 Str, Enough Luk to have a total of 48 crit, and the rest into Vit.
However I was messing around with a flee build and would like input on this new build VS the one above.
Basically I had 99 Agi, 70 Str, and The luk needed for 48 Crit. With a total of 298 Flee or so and only 7 PDodge.
The above stats are just the base stats, and I could get about 308 flee, but I have to wear my other helm instead of my Wild. Which would lower my crit and require more Luk.
Also on the Vit build I'd have no agi obviously and super low flee. However because I use the set I'll have 29 Perfect Dodge.
<33 The input I'm getting here on the SinX Class.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Riou212 on February 28, 2012, 10:17:58 am
i would recommend going for perfect dodge since it makes it harder to hit you and cant be hit by criticals basically when u were fighing me i got Lucky like 10 or so times completely missed ur damage
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: The Mystic on February 28, 2012, 10:30:44 am
PD can save you but I wouldn't invest stats in unless your a FS which you can't be on SinX. First set your stats in breakpoints. Every 10 str gives you a breakpoint. The 1~9 points between them are insignificant in comparison. As for builds they are both good but can be utilized further with proper weapons. Like the ones I showed you before. You can go either build in WoE. But I recommend vit because you don't have myst+TF for easy stun immunity for flee types.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: rolover on February 28, 2012, 10:54:56 am
Gemini, Stalactic Golem and Valk armor all help against stun too, I believe they would stack additively
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 28, 2012, 12:57:05 pm
PD can save you but I wouldn't invest stats in unless your a FS which you can't be on SinX. First set your stats in breakpoints. Every 10 str gives you a breakpoint. The 1~9 points between them are insignificant in comparison. As for builds they are both good but can be utilized further with proper weapons. Like the ones I showed you before. You can go either build in WoE. But I recommend vit because you don't have myst+TF for easy stun immunity for flee types.
So I'm sitting here thinking about how magic hurts. Vit will obviously give me a higher HP pool and some Def. However how does flee come into play VS Wizards and such? I think I'm going to need to grab some sort of Swaps so I can wear GTB and Some dagger. Not sure. =@
EDIT: I would like to mention I do have Mystel shoes.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: rolover on February 28, 2012, 01:30:15 pm
Mystic meant there's a combo bonus for Mystel+TF
no flee does nothing vs Wizards, unless they try to wack you w/ SoM Vit DEF also doesn't do anything against magic
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Riou212 on February 28, 2012, 01:53:32 pm
in other words get a GTB, or Maya and hope for the best with elemental armors cause Sins are weak to magic no matter what build they are cause they are two handed fighters
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: The Mystic on February 28, 2012, 02:51:22 pm
Gtb + DD dagger and poke them to death. Fire armor+ED swap and ESL. If your adamant about keeping katars on you can survive with quick elemental armor swapping and attempting to grimtooth out of their sight skill's range.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Riou212 on February 28, 2012, 04:32:27 pm
exactly :P
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Kerax on February 28, 2012, 04:40:44 pm
I just throw on a Marc Wind, and if they SG, I use hide, and if they detect me when I do that, I backslide like crazy.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 28, 2012, 05:08:39 pm
no flee does nothing vs Wizards, unless they try to wack you w/ SoM Vit DEF also doesn't do anything against magic
Damn, alright. The only way I could imagine withstanding them at this point without a GTB is if I did a Soul Breaker Build stacked with Str and Int. However that's not my play style. xD.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Lavitiz on February 28, 2012, 05:09:19 pm
in other words get a GTB, or Maya and hope for the best with elemental armors cause Sins are weak to magic no matter what build they are cause they are two handed fighters
Like I always say after being dropped. Magic fucking hurts. Lol.
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: Riou212 on February 28, 2012, 05:12:17 pm
magic can be like nothing if u got enough Mdef :)
Title: Re: Katar Questions
Post by: rolover on February 28, 2012, 06:09:44 pm