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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: Evilness45 on July 05, 2011, 01:35:47 pm
Title: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Evilness45 on July 05, 2011, 01:35:47 pm
Why is it so hard to get a group for BattleGround?
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Kyubey on July 05, 2011, 01:45:04 pm
Because people are impatient. :-X
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Brainfog on July 05, 2011, 02:07:37 pm
and because people have better things to do
ie: sit around pvp, prison, pront, insert townhere
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: slurpyninja on July 05, 2011, 02:09:12 pm
because people are too lazy/dont wanna waste time/zenny in PvP
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Teggit on July 05, 2011, 02:16:45 pm
because it isn't non SQI/MVP
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Auurium on July 05, 2011, 02:30:55 pm
PVP = Causes massive terror in most players. The prescence of SQIs and MVP cards causes even MORE terror. Terror = Bad. PVP/BG/WoE = Bad because it causes terror.
Conclusion: I won't BG because of SQIandMVPcardfobia.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: slurpyninja on July 05, 2011, 02:33:14 pm
pretty much agree with Auu, the the MVP cards arent that bad to me... its the SQI's that bug me. But hey, i have a set of restricted gear, and a set of MVP gear, both decent so i'm up for either usually.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Auurium on July 05, 2011, 02:34:38 pm
Iunno, some people are very extremist, they even fear SQIless mode because they want to own with their novice main gauche. Wich as this point is already stupid. It can't be more watered down, if they want to own, then get worthy gears (even as SQIless).
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Johnsu on July 05, 2011, 02:57:26 pm
People wont Battlegrounds because it takes too long to gather 20 people.
Which leads back to impatience.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Combo on July 05, 2011, 03:01:36 pm
Lame default BG.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Trenticus on July 05, 2011, 03:17:26 pm
Shouldn't we gather a group of twenty peopl and say, "Hey, today we're gonna take turns winning until we all have a weapon!" It can't be so difficult to do that. XD
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: pranetcoolman on July 05, 2011, 03:20:45 pm
Today, I've realized that I've been gathering the wrong kind of badge all along. I have to get the slow one that nobody wants, the Tierra one.
It didn't made me happy realizing that.
That was you bugging me to bg yesterday, and it was all for nothing? Ouch.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: exDragon on July 05, 2011, 07:50:51 pm
People are very patient so that is not it. The real reason is people do stuff for reward or fun. Because of the huge lack of people playing it, it doesn't provide enough fun to keep people coming so the only thing that will keep people coming are the rewards. SQIs/MVP cards diminish the value of the rewards so some of them are useless to some people. Also once you get what few rewards you want, most people stop playing. It has been said a lot already but I'll say it again. If you want more people to play BGs then you need better rewards.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Katakana on July 05, 2011, 08:03:44 pm
i've only been once, i'm not a person that lives in pvp - i don't have super sqi island items but i thought it was good - i want to go again but not enough people willing to go TT
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: exDragon on July 05, 2011, 08:13:32 pm
On a server this small we will need a lot of people to keep BGs going. The population of people that will come just for fun only is not large enough and gets spread out to much by time. There is a huge lack of will of people to come to BGs because they don't see the point of it. Matches have literally been held up 30+ minutes trying to get 1/2 people. The other 18/19 sat there the entire time waiting for that one person to join.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Fidelis on July 06, 2011, 06:54:46 am
I guess it's because of the same reasoning only a few guilds/people do WoE. BG requires team effort, and as such, it requires a leader of some sorts. If there is no such person, or if there are two or three who want to be that leader, things tend to get chaotic, and people lose fun. Actually, if it's because of rewards, a lot more people should to BG instead of WoE, since you can BG ALL THE TIME, while there are only two WoE days each week to get a castle (and the treasure chests). So I really doubt it's because of the rewards, and I don't want to make the rewards ridiculously high. It's not my problem if there is content (no matter if custom or official), but people don't use it. Even if it's just about Gravity rewards. We could also lower the number of players needed for each match, but I'm also against that. The whole "feeling" of BG gets lost when there are just a mere 5 people fighting against another team of 5 people on a big map.
Maybe if you want these things to change, how about inviting really new players to the top tier guilds, instead of only keeping vets in there? That'll make the newer players get used to things such as WoE or BG or PvP.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Evilness45 on July 06, 2011, 07:38:16 am
I have to invite myself to a top tier guild now?
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Katakana on July 06, 2011, 07:44:40 am
if i did that, i'd get kicked for being stupid :/
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Evilness45 on July 06, 2011, 07:52:01 am
And I'm pretty certain I'll have to find a way to convince them for doing battleground too. Since, well, they don't do that.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Fidelis on July 06, 2011, 08:04:18 am
Yeah, that's what I was trying to point out. What is the reason for a top tier guild to do WoE? Are treasure chest drops THAT good? Why shouldn't they do BG as well? Maybe because they don't need BG rewards, since they already have better gear. But if there were not-so-well-equipped players in that guild, they'd have a reason to do BG? Things like BG can much more easily be done within guilds, instead of randomly trying to recruit 19 other players.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Katakana on July 06, 2011, 08:15:39 am
does that mean we have to make a guild for BG?
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Evilness45 on July 06, 2011, 08:17:42 am
I dunno how that works much, Fidelis. Top tier guilds don't want to do BG, and we are supposed to convince them to recruit new players so that they will want to do BG? Shouldn't they just be better off doing nothing in the first place?
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Xia Xue on July 06, 2011, 08:19:48 am
most of the player recruits doesn't stay long enough so we hardly make a 3 or another 4 rounds of match.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Evilness45 on July 06, 2011, 08:25:26 am
most of the player recruits doesn't stay long enough so we hardly make a 3 or another 4 rounds of match.
I heard something about new players loathing having to fight fully geared people, too.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Avenegra on July 06, 2011, 08:30:18 am
Ok we should do 2 Guilds at least, with a forum section for planning the matches and see if work that way.
Similar to DA?
The only problem will be, look a good leaders and sub leaders for both teams, who must be in charge of recruiting and calling members of his/her guild.
Well is just an idea.
Edit: also the leader should teach their members, if they doesn't know what gears or card use, what they should use or do. Not every body knows how play and some need help or they end giving up.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Fidelis on July 06, 2011, 09:19:43 am
I was simply giving a suggestion that doesn't need GM intervention. I didn't say you "have to" recruit yourself into a top tier guild. I also didn't say that would magically solve all problems with BG. But if more new players were invited to top tier guilds, as Avenegra said, the leaders or the other guild members could teach them. That would surely make a lot less new players say "Oh this server is too hard, nobody talks, I quit."
Evilness45, with what you said, there should be no reason for a top tier guild that already has everything to exist at all.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Evilness45 on July 06, 2011, 09:25:43 am
Well, yeah, there's a point in MMOs where you are supposed to have done everything, which either ends up with the player quitting or becoming a PvP monster, but anywa. :P
My problem with your suggestion is that I can't do anything about it. I'm about to give up on battleground completely, which means I'll have to settle for another item for my plan. I want to help promote stuff in-server, but so far, I have no idea what I could do.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Wing on July 06, 2011, 09:36:58 am
Ok we should do 2 Guilds at least, with a forum section for planning the matches and see if work that way.
Similar to DA?
The only problem will be, look a good leaders and sub leaders for both teams, who must be in charge of recruiting and calling members of his/her guild.
Well is just an idea.
Edit: also the leader should teach their members, if they doesn't know what gears or card use, what they should use or do. Not every body knows how play and some need help or they end giving up.
This ^ it should mimic DA in some way, good times..good times Anyways, we need more PvP guilds around for a guild vs guild BG matches ;D that'll be fun since everyone pretty much like PvP wars
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Katakana on July 06, 2011, 09:46:37 am
@fidelis Couldn't we change the maps for a 5v5? like the ones in Direct Assault or whatever it''s called ? Those were small right? X_X
( we just need a place for walls)
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Auurium on July 06, 2011, 10:17:38 am
Tierra map is stupidly big I agree.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Combo on July 06, 2011, 02:22:52 pm
It's possible to make it so you start off with 5v5 and more people can join on the matches. You can buy this custom BG and stuff a group did, and it works real nice, but I think I remember reading something about you wanting to make everything yourself. :police: Also the more I think about it, the less I think BG will be any better in this server even with some of these changes.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Katakana on July 06, 2011, 02:26:26 pm
It's possible to make it so you start off with 5v5 and more people can join on the matches. You can buy this custom BG and stuff a group did, and it works real nice, but I think I remember reading something about you wanting to make everything yourself. :police: Also the more I think about it, the less I think BG will be any better in this server even with some of these changes.
i like your sig, why woe never like that here :(
@topic do you mean like an interruption ? how would balancing work if u get like 3v5 or 7v9 E_E??? ( wonder how eyes turn into E
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Combo on July 06, 2011, 02:34:30 pm
Starts off at 5v5, then the first person from each side will enter, making it 6v6. If a person leaves, then anyone waiting on the opposite team gets in.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Fidelis on July 06, 2011, 03:06:12 pm
It's possible to make it so you start off with 5v5 and more people can join on the matches. You can buy this custom BG and stuff a group did, and it works real nice, but I think I remember reading something about you wanting to make everything yourself. :police:
"Buy"? Well, sorry for being like that, but eAthena is an open source project, so I'd never buy anything related to eAthena. I'd either do it myself, or I'd hope for "free" code snippets that I can find on the eA forums. People trying to earn money by selling their code (that originated from an open source poject) are greedy. If I coded some great custom thing for an open source project, I'd made it publicly available for free.
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Combo on July 06, 2011, 03:25:31 pm
Oh. ):
Title: Re: Why is it so hard to get a group for BG?
Post by: Katakana on July 06, 2011, 03:47:15 pm
It's possible to make it so you start off with 5v5 and more people can join on the matches. You can buy this custom BG and stuff a group did, and it works real nice, but I think I remember reading something about you wanting to make everything yourself. :police:
"Buy"? Well, sorry for being like that, but eAthena is an open source project, so I'd never buy anything related to eAthena. I'd either do it myself, or I'd hope for "free" code snippets that I can find on the eA forums. People trying to earn money by selling their code (that originated from an open source poject) are greedy. If I coded some great custom thing for an open source project, I'd made it publicly available for free.