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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: Kane on January 24, 2011, 07:59:15 pm
Title: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Kane on January 24, 2011, 07:59:15 pm
The original combo says 10% reduce casting.Since when did we changed it to 5% and why????? Please change it back to 10%.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: exDragon on January 24, 2011, 09:14:42 pm
They decided they didn't want people getting IC without dex. As to why, your have to get an answer from them.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: triggeres on January 24, 2011, 10:13:39 pm
100% Cast Reduction gear + 99 VIT + 99 INT isn't a problem?
They're meant to be squishy. I agree with the GM's mentality on this one.
This was it exactly, we didn't think the idea of max hp and int was a good idea, especially adding in a HW card that's easily accessible.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Kane on January 25, 2011, 11:57:15 pm
They are only for Trans 90+ and the stuffs are not cheap.Besides,magic type job have crappy hp and for woe/pvp the opponent just wearing gtb.Why when there is stuff that give a good buff like these things for magic type job,we wont make it happen.HW Card is not as good as ppl think,for woe/pvp only opponent that don't wear gtb with high mdef only pain which is not many ppl use mdef set stuff and the mdef just go to 0 mdef which mean 0 mdef opponent only received same dmg as we don't use HW Card.I rather like to see GM can change the function of HW Card which is ignoring 50% mdef to -50 mdef,that's better.Otherwise give back Orlean Combo 5% to 10%.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Dandin on January 26, 2011, 01:56:11 am
At the same time, 100 MDEF is easy to achieve, and GTB is available too. Wizards are glass canons, but in PvP/WoE, practically useless other than forcing everyone to wear GTB over toad. In other words, yes, magic can be insanely strong and yes, 99 vit, 99 int would be insane, but one card or one universal gear set literally destroys the class.
And don't say Champions with Pneumonia do the same thing to snipers; there are methods that don't involve gear-breaking to get around that skill. Also, it is not a universal skill. The card activates when you're hit quite a bit (5% or 1% chance?)
I don't know what to think. On the one hand, if you're going to say no to 100% reduction, please at LEAST correct the card in game. This is one of the dozens of people complaining this same thing.
Also, 95% reduction makes 15 second cast time into .7 sec, which is the cast time of amplify magical power. That's a relatively slow cast time (despite that sounds relatively fast).
Maybe wizard sqi should be modified to give a low increase (4%?) that won't give IC but give a very nice cast time for the 15 second skills.
Also, what about the whole IC with Paladin? How does that compare/fit into this equation?
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Myew Gelato on January 26, 2011, 02:28:38 am
My dream Pally build was destroyed when Rune Charm Stone was altered with nothing in the Change Log or descriptions or anything. I had even asked if it was buyable via spend credits. That's really not cool. :/ I'm just lucky that I do my research.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: exDragon on January 26, 2011, 10:08:48 am
You can't even get IC with a cast reducton build without giving up kahos (so you do less damage ) and high wizard card (so you can't amplify your damage on non GTBers).
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Kane on January 26, 2011, 12:03:37 pm
So whats about melee type job? they dont need to put dex to get hit and with phreeoni(100 HIT) make them 99 vit 99 str and no need dex+no need agi because doppel too.So,bring the orleans' combo back to normal.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Valash_Vrayr on January 26, 2011, 12:14:46 pm
Your points are moot.
Besides, personally I find the way I utilize my HW to be far more lulzy and effective.
IC w/ Keil Valk Helm and Keil Mid + Diab Robe 8) :police:
I shalll now refer to my hotkey bar as an Elemental Hurricane! Due to a Storm Gust + LoV + Meteor Shower all dropped on the same mob w/o even needing a Bragi. :-*
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Kane on January 26, 2011, 12:20:26 pm
Sounds interesting.another good option but still hoping gm can change it back :(
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Schrodinger on January 26, 2011, 12:29:47 pm
My dream Pally build was destroyed when Rune Charm Stone was altered with nothing in the Change Log or descriptions or anything. I had even asked if it was buyable via spend credits. That's really not cool. :/ I'm just lucky that I do my research.
It... wasn't changed, gives the same thing it gives on rms, I JUST checked this cause I wasn't aware we'd done anything.
Melee can indeed, use phreeoni, but with a paladin, their skills are lacking in versatility, weapon element doesn't go through shield chain or boomerang, and the only other option they have for elemental skills is via holy cross, and they can switch weapons, sure, but I somehow doubt many players ever care to have multiple single or double phreeoni weapons (since if you have a mildly decent amount of flee, one phreeoni and 0 dex doesn't mean crap).
Like Dandin said, magic users are glass cannons, they have their use in woe, just like paladins (if you notice in woe, paladins, who are one of the few classes who can do IC without dex, are set as devo whores, and not much else, since devo build trashes your ability to get many other skills beyond devo). But you put a wizard in woe, who has IC, and maxed int/vit, anyone not wearing gtb is gonna get trashed, AND that wizard will be able to survive things most other wizards can't, at least not without that other wizard sacrificing stats.
You're not really giving much of an argument, you're just saying you should get it because you have the items is what it sounds like.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Myew Gelato on January 26, 2011, 04:55:49 pm
^I did my research. Does this mean we can use them for berz again, or will it be a total waste of money? Not that I have berz.. or will for a very long time. ._. But I have dreams too. >:
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Schrodinger on January 26, 2011, 06:43:15 pm
I'm gonna talk to talis, but neither myself, nor Haine recall ever changing it, so Talis might have. But looking at our old item_db, it's -1 casting time there too, which would mean it's NEVER been after cast delay, it's always been -1% cast time, at least since we switched to eathena
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Kane on January 26, 2011, 08:23:12 pm
But you put a wizard in woe, who has IC, and maxed int/vit, anyone not wearing gtb is gonna get trashed, AND that wizard will be able to survive things most other wizards can't, at least not without that other wizard sacrificing stats.
Mostly are wearing GTB when they see Magic type job.Wizard can't wear,let's say lv 90 HW.Why they shouldn't deserve to have more hp like other job can?and the other job can be non trans and lower level can punch the lv HW 90 just using a gtb.I don't see any problem why they can't? Compare from what Valash said;Kiel build is far away better than this.
one more thing,Beelzebub gives 30% reduce cast or 33% reduce cast??
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Valash_Vrayr on January 26, 2011, 08:33:11 pm
I'm gonna talk to talis, but neither myself, nor Haine recall ever changing it, so Talis might have. But looking at our old item_db, it's -1 casting time there too, which would mean it's NEVER been after cast delay, it's always been -1% cast time, at least since we switched to eathena
You are right Farn, Rune has always been -1% Cast Reduction. Which was why there were was a few Berz ones around. Just to add a couple more %'s to the mix. Been like that long before Expert Rings were even introduced too.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Myew Gelato on January 26, 2011, 08:37:57 pm
So who started this rumor that they were after cast delay and not cast redux? :/ *gets out flogging whip*
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Valash_Vrayr on January 26, 2011, 09:21:09 pm
Why would you believe someone else, when you owned the item yourself? It was right there in the desc, and always has been. -_-;
You silly goose. ^_^
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: exDragon on January 26, 2011, 09:22:03 pm
But you put a wizard in woe, who has IC, and maxed int/vit, anyone not wearing gtb is gonna get trashed, AND that wizard will be able to survive things most other wizards can't, at least not without that other wizard sacrificing stats.
Mostly are wearing GTB when they see Magic type job.Wizard can't wear,let's say lv 90 HW.Why they shouldn't deserve to have more hp like other job can?and the other job can be non trans and lower level can punch the lv HW 90 just using a gtb.I don't see any problem why they can't? Compare from what Valash said;Kiel build is far away better than this.
one more thing,Beelzebub gives 30% reduce cast or 33% reduce cast??
Lack of HP has ALWAYS been a key mark of users of magic and healing, because they're capable of well, MAGIC AND HEALING. It's a universal anchor that as far as I'm aware, all rpgs of any fashion have in common. What on earth is the reasoning of why we should change our server to counter most of rpg culture.
Beelz gives 30 reduction
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Kane on January 27, 2011, 01:16:54 am
Different people have different minded,If that's what you think magic type job will become invisible and too tough,So I don't have words anymore except resell those useless reduce cast gears and maybe I'll play reduce after cast delay with IC,that's sounds better.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Myew Gelato on January 27, 2011, 10:32:42 am
Not that I have berz.. or will for a very long time. ._. But I have dreams too. >:
I had only said that I planned to buy them and did research on the forums and in-game. With multiple people on the forums citing that it was aftercast delay, it only made sense to believe them. The mechanics threads have always been more accurate than in-game descriptions... but I'm not bothering with maxing out Pally anymore, at least not until after I finish my SG. I'm glad to know that Rune Charm Stones are working as intended, I'll probably end up getting them eventually.. if I ever get into an SM party.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Muranodo on January 27, 2011, 11:49:29 am
It's good to know Rune Charm Stones are working as intended.
.-. Though, I just got two Berze Rosaries. I wonder if I can trade them for Berze Rune Charm Stones, so my paladin can have IC.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Valash_Vrayr on January 27, 2011, 03:08:01 pm
Not that I have berz.. or will for a very long time. ._. But I have dreams too. >:
I had only said that I planned to buy them and did research on the forums and in-game. With multiple people on the forums citing that it was aftercast delay, it only made sense to believe them. The mechanics threads have always been more accurate than in-game descriptions... but I'm not bothering with maxing out Pally anymore, at least not until after I finish my SG. I'm glad to know that Rune Charm Stones are working as intended, I'll probably end up getting them eventually.. if I ever get into an SM party.
Personally I would rather have 2x Berz Expert Rings over 2x Berz Rune Charms any day of the week. I personally own neither, due to having 2x Berz Bris instead, but if I had to choose between those two. I'd go for the -10% Cast Delay as opposed to -2% Cast Reduction.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: exDragon on January 27, 2011, 06:51:49 pm
Non trans can wear Rune charm stone while only trans can wear expert ring.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Valash_Vrayr on January 28, 2011, 08:06:48 am
Doesn't change my opinion in the slightest. I just think Rune Charm is trash. I'd rather have a Rosary instead, if it was strictly for non-trans purposes. I value Mdef more than a measly single % of Cast Reduction.
Title: Re: Orlean Glove+Server combo
Post by: Kane on January 28, 2011, 10:58:01 am
Now,I just figure it out myself why GM changed it.Is it because champion using dexless ic and still can wear kaho on top of head with 99 str and 99 int and a few vit to do max asura?No wonder why.
I should try it even the bonus 5% now because still can wear DI valk and CTM mid.but for magic class wearing after cast delay set is better.