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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: Linmakana on December 17, 2010, 10:50:42 pm
Title: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 17, 2010, 10:50:42 pm
What are the Pros & Cons/Zeny Cost of each verses the others? I know that option 2, you do not need to buy Berserk Potions. I personally prefer having to use a skill (Adren Rush) over using an item over and over whenever I die. Heard that the Chain damage is the same/slightly better than the maces, is it true? I'm actually going to start making money. Sometime.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Roon on December 17, 2010, 11:59:40 pm
pretty sure damage by chain is a fraction smaller than mace, (read somewhere that the damage difference is 10, but cant find it now) but it's harder to come by, much harder. So instead of the 20mil saving you except to receive.. I've really only seen DBS chains sell for 10mil less than the DBSS maces
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 18, 2010, 12:03:26 am
I've only got about 40m in zeny right now, how much left would I need to save?
Just bought a +4 Soul Ring for 6m. Was the lowest I could find and it's pretty much a necessity.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Roon on December 18, 2010, 12:21:42 am
You're gonna niff, aren't you? :x le sigh.. do you have a WS? and a DL valk? Being able to dual client priest would be good for you too.
DBS chain used to sell for 55m before the price hikes of the ad credits, so I'm not sure what it is now.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: ExodusLight on December 18, 2010, 12:22:52 am
Just farm cakes in the meantimes. It can be really fast. Maybe get a D and a B card ?
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 18, 2010, 12:54:36 am
You're gonna niff, aren't you? :x le sigh.. do you have a WS? and a DL valk? Being able to dual client priest would be good for you too.
DBS chain used to sell for 55m before the price hikes of the ad credits, so I'm not sure what it is now.
._. Nope, I'm going straight to DG. Of course I'm Niffing, just at until I can get enough zeny to gear everything else (mostly aiming for a Kaho to get my Priest IC). I have a WS but not a DL Valk. Nub Eddga shoes from last year's Christmas Ad Shop discount. I can duel client my priest, but he dies in about 15 seconds from 3 Dullahans. He's just missing Kaho for IC, as aforementioned.
Just farm cakes in the meantimes. It can be really fast. Maybe get a D and a B card ?
I recently inherited a +7 DDP Glad from my sister who quit a while ago. I have no idea what to do with it, I've never before held anything of my own with a Doppelganger Card. Tips for cake farming?
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Waylander on December 18, 2010, 11:25:40 am
use the glad on a rogue for cake farming, will help u kill guys faster and get more cake faster. Also, for niff, the DBSS mace is best, it does more dmg than DDBS mace and you only need to use a berzerk pot extra for 190aspd, not that big of a deal really. If you can find a DBS Chain i'd suggest getting that cause their like 20mil cheaper than the mace, but are almost impossible to find. Also, Eddgas are fine, DL Valks are helpful, but not necessary. You can do fine without them.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Roon on December 18, 2010, 11:32:29 am
I only suggest DL valks because niff is a bit tougher now than it was before. Slow gets cast way more often too >__> I hate that skill.
But cakes on a rouge sounds like a good plan C:
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Eruruw on December 18, 2010, 01:49:21 pm
If you make an assassin and get a Weeder Knife (1 AD) you can use that DDP Glad with a Fire endow to very effectively kill Mavkas. Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 18, 2010, 03:26:05 pm
Moscovia Dungeon Baba Yagas have a higher cake drop than Myst Case. /rice
*Sobs about ur sis quitting* Q_Q... But yea maybe 5k+ each?
I'm actually going to the airport today to pick her up. She's on Winter Break. But yeah, WoW is her new MMORPG.
I'm currently selling them at 5.4k each, good deal?
Well nows a good time to sell them, woe in a few hours and ppl will be needing supplies.
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3951/screenanimusro125.png) Buy from me? Is there a strategic location to sell cakes at?
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Waylander on December 18, 2010, 03:49:35 pm
Well, usually selling near the warp girl is good cause that's where most ppl are. Not sure about which town is best though :P
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 18, 2010, 03:52:51 pm
I'm selling in Prontera, above Doctor. Shop name "Christmas Cakes"
Anyways, what would you say a +10 DBSS mace would cost? There's one going for 80m right now.
EDIT: Split the cakes to another character, now selling for 5.3k at shop name "Prepare for WoE: Cakes" as well.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Sera on December 18, 2010, 05:01:28 pm
I would say get a DDBS mace.
Agreed with Roon that hylozoist tend to cast decrease agi more and if you have a large mob, trying to recast cart boost+adrenaline rush might get you killed. With DBSS you need a zerk pot + adrenaline rush + like 10 agi to get 190 aspd. With DDBS you only need a zerk pot to get 190 aspd, and decrease agi will not decrease your aspd.
You exchange power for speed. I love speed... and you can use it on other classes too :3 (DBSS and DBS also work on other classes but you may want to have a dual cliented smith to adrenaline rush yourself ~.~)
About selling cake, I WOULD divide the cake amount through different merchies and set shops at the entrance to the active woe castles, preferably prontera 5 and rachel castles.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 18, 2010, 05:19:25 pm
My Blacksmith is 88/50, will I still be able to reach 190 aspd? How much would a DDBS cost over a DBSS?
Also, I'll take your advice and sell at Castle Entrances.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Waylander on December 18, 2010, 05:24:49 pm
DBSS is about 70mil, DDBS is like 80~ish mil. And, with DBSS it's about 20 agi for 190aspd, not 10. and, even if u have a decent size mob, it's not that hard to use cart boost and adrenaline rush. I personally never used DDBS mace, but i've used DBSS a lot and it is pretty good.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: SukiChii on December 18, 2010, 05:29:17 pm
Your BS will reach 190 ASPD with DBSS. I saw them for 75m, but I think you can get one for less. I don't know about DDBS since they aren't common.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 18, 2010, 05:31:10 pm
I have a Blacksmith, I can't Cart Boost until Trans. I kinda want to get the cheapest deal possible.
Your BS will reach 190 ASPD with DBSS. I saw them for 75m, but I think you can get one for less. I don't know about DDBS since they aren't common.
/ok
So only about 30m to go. :(
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: SukiChii on December 18, 2010, 05:34:16 pm
I used DBSS with no problem on my BS, but that was back on Aegis when Niff was stupid. Sure decrease is a bitch, but it doesn't last forever.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Waylander on December 18, 2010, 05:38:05 pm
Whenever i got decrease on my bs i just finished off my mob and waited until it disappeared, or started to gather another mob and atk when it's gone.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 18, 2010, 05:38:53 pm
Okay, thanks for everyone's help.
So the plan is: Raise 30m by farming cakes on my Rogue from Baba Yagas (going to take a while) Purchase a +10 DBS Chain or +10 DBSS Mace, whichever one I can find first Farm my money back
Anything else?
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Waylander on December 18, 2010, 05:40:04 pm
What are your other gears?
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 18, 2010, 05:49:30 pm
I pretty much have the whole Niff set. +4 Soul Ring +4 Eddga Boots +4 Disguise Chain Mail or +4 Bathory Odins Blessing (Not too sure which one I should use) Spring Rabbit Accessory
I'm missing a Tirf shield. I've got a +4 Maya Valk, but that doesn't really cover Niff too well... I should probably invest in a Blazer sometime.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Waylander on December 18, 2010, 07:38:42 pm
Dont worry about blazer yet. You're gonna need a tirfing, it'll help you out quite a bit. Also, i'd suggest using the bathory cause u'll take less dmg from the dullies shadow atk. But the disguise will silence them and they won't be able to use the shadow atk. Also, it will stop the slow skill thing. I guess it's really up to you. Try out both armors and see whih one you like better.
Ok, just looked at your gears again. Do you have a deviling garment? You'll really need one if you wanna niff.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Typhoom on December 18, 2010, 08:51:02 pm
contrary to what waylander said i suggest using both silence and shadow armor while in niff ;3 silence while mobbing then shadow when u go to kill the mob (i use similar tactic with high priest armor) also hodremlin shield is very useful but tirfing is good to. try getting a hell poodle as well o.o their very much worth the money (if you get them around 10ish mil)
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: S h i k @ on December 19, 2010, 12:54:35 am
+10 DB morning star work wonders too :D
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Eruruw on December 19, 2010, 01:36:17 am
I would suggest you get DBSS and NOT go to niff. Also get a Hell Poodle over a Blazer.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Dandin on December 19, 2010, 03:47:47 am
DDBS + vanberk = just as good as DBSS damage-wise, better aspd/no agi-down, and versatility. I use it a ton when I create new characters, combo monks, etc.
I made my DDBS, so mine cost me 65~mil (back in the day, sam = 18mil, dop = 20mil).
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: The Mystic on December 19, 2010, 05:04:49 am
Lin, get these in this order. Tirf DBSS Hell Poodle Vanberk Blazer Good luck in niff~
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Eruruw on December 19, 2010, 07:23:30 am
Hodremlin SB > Tirfing anything, btw. It'll run you about the same price, too.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: The Mystic on December 19, 2010, 03:07:32 pm
Hodremlin SB > Tirfing anything, btw. It'll run you about the same price, too.
If you want Lin I can farm you stone bucklers to make you a good + one for your hodremlin. I have a +7 one of my own and it is so much better than Tirf for niff when it proc's. Combining Hodremlin and fortune sword makes insane mobs when you mob priests. I tried it with duel hell poodles and I accidently kill my priest and everyone in mid. So much lag @.@
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Typhoom on December 19, 2010, 06:55:20 pm
except for that part when you switch you lose fire endow ;3 lol
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 19, 2010, 06:56:26 pm
DDBS + vanberk = just as good as DBSS damage-wise, better aspd/no agi-down, and versatility. I use it a ton when I create new characters, combo monks, etc.
I made my DDBS, so mine cost me 65~mil (back in the day, sam = 18mil, dop = 20mil).
How much does a Vanberk cost these days? Are the perfect crit proc chances any good?
Hodremlin SB > Tirfing anything, btw. It'll run you about the same price, too.
If you want Lin I can farm you stone bucklers to make you a good + one for your hodremlin. I have a +7 one of my own and it is so much better than Tirf for niff when it proc's. Combining Hodremlin and fortune sword makes insane mobs when you mob priests. I tried it with duel hell poodles and I accidently kill my priest and everyone in mid. So much lag @.@
That would be awesome. You've already helped me so much, I don't know how I can repay you /ok
except for that part when you switch you lose fire endow ;3 lol
I've never really mastered the art or armor switching. Is there a certain way to put it on your hotkeys or something?
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Typhoom on December 19, 2010, 07:35:17 pm
one of the easiest ways to do simple armor switching (with just 2 armors) is to put them in the same kind of armor so they stack like 2 chain mails 2 formal suits so on an so forth. what i do is go around mob up let the assumptio proc a few times then switch armors use hammer fall so on an so forth you could essentialy do the same thing with silence (though when you go ws to make this easier dont use cart boost unless to get rid of agi down because then youll be alot faster and its a pain in the ass lol)
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 19, 2010, 07:37:45 pm
I see. It will cycle through the same kinds or armor when you press that one hotkey?
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Typhoom on December 19, 2010, 08:13:53 pm
exactly once you get to three armors unless your watching it could be kinda anoying so i wouldnt suggest going over 2 (unless you start getting better an use multiple armors etc etc etc)
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: SukiChii on December 19, 2010, 11:05:47 pm
Don't you lose endow if you switch weapons...? /hmm
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 19, 2010, 11:29:12 pm
Don't you lose endow if you switch weapons...? /hmm
That's what I was thinking. Game mechanic I've never heard of?
I sure hope my WoE cakes sold. Sold at the front of Rachel and Prontera 5 castles.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: ExodusLight on December 19, 2010, 11:44:37 pm
i bought some >:
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 19, 2010, 11:55:08 pm
;3 Thanks!
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Typhoom on December 20, 2010, 06:37:23 am
yes you do lose endow when switching weapons @_@ or that would be the leetest form of mobbing /slur lol
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: dailydaily on December 20, 2010, 06:40:54 am
get like this order
DBSS mace first Hellpoodle second priority ( much better than SR ring) Blazer ( contrary to what people say, it still drops u worthy stat foods and each woe or so i have 3mil worth of foods .. atleast worth some ) Vanberk ( this procs every time !! and i mean .. EVERYTIME!! .. even when there is no assumptio, this will proc and save u )
then, anything funny. Tirf isnt of so much requirement, but it is better . Never used hodremlin, but tirf stone buckler is awesome !
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Typhoom on December 20, 2010, 06:50:16 am
id say get a vanberk before the blazer when it goes off takes no less then a few seconds to destroy everything @_@ it will save yo life
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 20, 2010, 02:34:21 pm
DBSS mace first Hellpoodle second priority ( much better than SR ring) Blazer ( contrary to what people say, it still drops u worthy stat foods and each woe or so i have 3mil worth of foods .. atleast worth some ) Vanberk ( this procs every time !! and i mean .. EVERYTIME!! .. even when there is no assumptio, this will proc and save u )
then, anything funny. Tirf isnt of so much requirement, but it is better . Never used hodremlin, but tirf stone buckler is awesome !
Are baby Yagas hard though, cause if they aren't i would farm cakes, and sell them at 4.2k like they used to be wtf happen to prices from AnthemRO Kaho 110, from when i started, kaho costed 40mil
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 21, 2010, 01:21:36 pm
Are Baba Yagas hard though, cause if they aren't i would farm cakes, and sell them at 4.2k like they used to be wtf happen to prices from AnthemRO Kaho 110, from when i started, kaho costed 40mil
They're much harder than Myst Cakes. Myst Cases = Beginner's Cake Farming Baba Yagas = Advanced Cake Farming
You mostly have to worry about all the other monsters on Baba Yaga's map. They're all aggressive.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 23, 2010, 07:11:20 pm
UPDATE: Good new, folks! I just got a lot more richer. Inherited 1 Berze Earring, 1 Berze Clip, 1 Doppelganger Card, and 1 Baphomet card from a veteran who quit. Well, the Dop and Bapho are in a Barrage Fist, but I'm getting them removed. 9 bucks total if I don't want to keep the fist, IIRC.
So what can I do now? I don't really need the Berze accessories, I've got all the IC gears except for Kaho.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Auurium on December 23, 2010, 07:28:25 pm
UPDATE: Good new, folks! I just got a lot more richer. Inherited 1 Berze Earring, 1 Berze Clip, 1 Doppelganger Card, and 1 Baphomet card from a veteran who quit. Well, the Dop and Bapho are in a Barrage Fist, but I'm getting them removed. 9 bucks total if I don't want to keep the fist, IIRC.
So what can I do now? I don't really need the Berze accessories, I've got all the IC gears except for Kaho.
Sell it and get more money, lol.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 23, 2010, 07:41:02 pm
How much would a Berze Earring and Berze clip go for?
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: ExodusLight on December 23, 2010, 07:43:06 pm
it really depends, most people buy berzes in rosaries, though. You could try and sell them for 16-20 mill. I would suggest you uncard the barrage fist, and slot those babies in a mace, or whatever you would like
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 23, 2010, 08:04:05 pm
If I uncard the DB Barrage Fist, I'll only need to buy 1 Samurai card and a +10 Chain. Should I get 2 Samurai Cards and a +10 Mace anyways?
Will selling the Berze accessories cover the cost of the Bapho card(s)?
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Waylander on December 23, 2010, 08:22:42 pm
Sam cards are about 25mil each, if u get one then u can card a dbs chain with the money.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: -CMI- on December 23, 2010, 08:27:59 pm
I've saw someone try to buy berz clip 20m few days ago..I also sold mine 22m 2 weeks ago.. For berz earring, it should cost around 30m
Having +10DBS chain or +10DBSS mace doesn't really matter though.. If you can get +10DBS chain for more cheaper, go for it.. both work well in niff
Since everything in item shop is discounted by 30%, bapho card just cost 10.5 ads..so do the math /ok
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: ExodusLight on December 23, 2010, 08:54:07 pm
Earring shouldn't be 30 mill. It really has no difference from a clip, aside from the fact that it has one more stat.imo, it should be the same, or 1-2 mill more at best.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: The Mystic on December 23, 2010, 11:26:59 pm
I've saw someone try to buy berz clip 20m few days ago..I also sold mine 22m 2 weeks ago.. For berz earring, it should cost around 30m
Having +10DBS chain or +10DBSS mace doesn't really matter though.. If you can get +10DBS chain for more cheaper, go for it.. both work well in niff
Since everything in item shop is discounted by 30%, bapho card just cost 10.5 ads..so do the math /ok
Just Fyi though chain lacks class options. It's more class limited than a mace [4]
Not really. Chain and Mace have the same classes that can use it, the only exception being Novice/Super Novice cannot use the Chain.
Okay, so here's the plan: 1. Uncard the DB Barrage Fist to get the Doppelganger and Baphomet cards 2. Sell one/both of the Berze accessories 3. Buy the amount of zeny gained from the Berze accessories in Ad Credits 4. Buy a Samurai Card from the Discounted Ad Shop 5. Buy a +10 Chain (How much would one of these cost?) 6. Figure everything else out later
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: -CMI- on December 23, 2010, 11:56:38 pm
Earring shouldn't be 30 mill. It really has no difference from a clip, aside from the fact that it has one more stat.imo, it should be the same, or 1-2 mill more at best.
Yea i gotta agree about this..the price might be around 25m..20m at least..more lower than this isn't worth since people still able to get the profit by unslotting this earring
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 24, 2010, 12:07:49 am
To celebrate christmas, everything is discounted by 30%!
If I can sell this Berze Earring for 20m~25m, I can just about enough Ads to get a 10.50 Ad Samurai Card from the Ad Shop.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: -CMI- on December 24, 2010, 12:25:49 am
lol Peco man..the original ads for Samurai Card is 25..after discounted, it become 17.5 ads, same with TG and Doppel..you should check our item shop more often before buying something :(
edit : card like bapho, gryph and phree is the one that cost 10.5 ads /ok
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 24, 2010, 12:40:15 am
Yeah, you better edit that post :<
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Waylander on December 24, 2010, 07:32:49 am
Ya, sam card is 17.5ads.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Typhoom on December 24, 2010, 11:31:44 am
its true lin x.x lol
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: Linmakana on December 24, 2010, 03:34:09 pm
@_@ Christmastime stress, I say.
Title: Re: +10 DBSS Mace vs +10 DDBS Mace vs +10 DBS Chain
Post by: The Mystic on December 24, 2010, 05:19:44 pm