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The 'Other' Section => AnesisRO Archive => Archive => General Questions => Topic started by: Dandin on November 27, 2010, 11:47:10 pm
Title: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Dandin on November 27, 2010, 11:47:10 pm
It's level 1 of a dungeon; isn't it illegal? Can't it be banned/limited? I'm sick of someone going in their and using 9 or 10 bloody branches and making it impossible to niff.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Typhoom on November 27, 2010, 11:50:39 pm
sadly yes they can do that :/
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Roon on November 27, 2010, 11:54:24 pm
Niff isn't a dungeon hon, it's a field map. You can check by typing in /where if it says dungeon (or the short form of that), then you're in a dungeon :P otherwise, no.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Dandin on November 27, 2010, 11:59:44 pm
Niff is considered a field map? You can /memo *inside* niff? I haven't tried, so I can't say yes or no...
It's just plain obnoxious... I really hate it when Valk is in there and it strips me of my buffs. Seriously, it's just mean.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Xia Xue on November 28, 2010, 12:01:53 am
there's your BB breakers around when niff is empty ::)
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Roon on November 28, 2010, 12:25:15 am
Niff is considered a field map? You can /memo *inside* niff? I haven't tried, so I can't say yes or no...
It's just plain obnoxious... I really hate it when Valk is in there and it strips me of my buffs. Seriously, it's just mean.
I've never tried to memo niff itself but it should be possible - it's just far more convenient to memo outside of it on a monster free map. Anyways, just bring lots of flywings and walk a little more carefully /ok
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: SanRath on November 28, 2010, 02:34:20 am
Isn't niff the third map of the Niffelhiem maps?
Anywho; the only places where its illegal to break branches, are the places you can't break them anyways. They're disabled now in places they aren't supposed to be broken.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Xia Xue on November 28, 2010, 02:55:53 am
do you die when you use BB/DB in a disable map? i've tried that when server was in Beta state.. but now i don't break even a single one.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: G-Star on November 28, 2010, 05:38:40 am
i see no problems with using BB's in niff, i think it's just fun when i'm niffing, a chanse of a great item or two.
BB gives items? :O
I'm stupid sometimes.
Both BBs and DBs give items and exp, if you want you can grab something like an osiris clip for the warp and just keep smacking whatever MVP till you get it - but if you die in niff you'll lose exp, so make sure it's worthwhile first.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Dandin on November 30, 2010, 12:45:12 am
i see no problems with using BB's in niff, i think it's just fun when i'm niffing, a chanse of a great item or two.
BB gives items? :O
I'm stupid sometimes.
Both BBs and DBs give items and exp, if you want you can grab something like an osiris clip for the warp and just keep smacking whatever MVP till you get it - but if you die in niff you'll lose exp, so make sure it's worthwhile first.
what do you mean, "smacking whatever MVP until you get it"?
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Linmakana on November 30, 2010, 02:00:53 am
BB summons a MvP. You kill it and take the loot.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Haruwa on November 30, 2010, 03:01:59 am
Not everyone knows everything Haruwa, that comment was unnecessary.
Not really...
It should be pretty obvious that an item with the only purpose of summoning a random monster/MVP wouldn't magically give items just for using it like an OCA etc would. Sure you can kill whatever it spawns for items/exp but... that's about it. Missing that is almost as bad as messing up 2+2=4 or that the sky looks blue during the day...
Truth be told neither DB or BB actually give items at all hence why what you said just confused them. =3= But whatever, I'm kinda moody so I don't think anything I say right now comes out very nicely.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Typhoom on November 30, 2010, 06:36:27 am
Assuming you as a lone ws can kill the mvp :P what happens when you summon something like ifrit and beelzebub ;D good luck "whacking it till its gone" without alota help
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Linmakana on November 30, 2010, 10:57:13 am
Well Anton has no problems apparently.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Roon on November 30, 2010, 01:30:49 pm
Assuming you as a lone ws can kill the mvp :P what happens when you summon something like ifrit and beelzebub ;D good luck "whacking it till its gone" without alota help
depends on gear/class/skill etc etc etc but basic point is, if it's something like angeling or golden thief bug then she could stand to get something good ;P
You can also look up the MVP on RMS and see if you can take it or not. RMS is here: http://ratemyserver.net/ And my other suggestion is to get fly wings if you don't wanna do this /heh I'm just saying it's an option
Not everyone knows everything Haruwa, that comment was unnecessary.
Not really...
It should be pretty obvious that an item with the only purpose of summoning a random monster/MVP wouldn't magically give items just for using it like an OCA etc would. Sure you can kill whatever it spawns for items/exp but... that's about it. Missing that is almost as bad as messing up 2+2=4 or that the sky looks blue during the day...
Truth be told neither DB or BB actually give items at all hence why what you said just confused them. =3= But whatever, I'm kinda moody so I don't think anything I say right now comes out very nicely.
No, it's not obvious. Math is a universal language, RO is not.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Haruwa on November 30, 2010, 09:19:23 pm
No, it's not obvious. Math is a universal language, RO is not.
I beg to differ.
Math isn't completely universal (not everyone uses the same measuring system) and RO is easier to learn about vs all the complicated rules behind everything Math has to offer. You can learn everything you need to know about an item in RO just from reading the items description. It takes 5 seconds and tells you exactly what the item does. Saying it isn't obvious is just giving an excuse for people to be lazy or above reading a few descriptions. The info/uses of an item are quite obvious as they accompany the item itself. =_=p
With the exception of listing if it's an SQI or Headgear ingredient or something like that.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: dailydaily on December 01, 2010, 12:25:42 am
math is a universal language. cool .. i dint realize that :)
RO is not universal :d if taken literally. Math doesnt use different systems to measure, physics and science uses !! math is just numbers.. the argument is nil :D
but we shudnt be able to summon BB in Niff. U cant memo inside niff, i have tried on my stages of young aco. Someone said niff is a dungeon, like prison. So u cannot memo in. I saw mvps in niff, like Detale, Pharoah, moonlight and one other damn big like RSX or something and wait, one more, i forgot the name. I think moonlight is niff mvp, cos i have seen some already but not sure. Everything else is really BB'd !
Detale was near entrance. I lured it deeper, it was slow and stuff like that. Other mvp's just one shot me if i dont fw !! sucked really
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: G-Star on December 01, 2010, 12:35:30 am
Nope moonlight is not an miff mvp ;)
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Haruwa on December 01, 2010, 01:44:41 am
math is a universal language. cool .. i dint realize that :)
RO is not universal :d if taken literally. Math doesnt use different systems to measure, physics and science uses !! math is just numbers.. the argument is nil :D
*sigh* It does depending on where you live.
Go anywhere in the US and ask the general populous to do conversion from our measuring system into teh international version and almost no one can do it on the spot because they don't know the international one since a lot of schools don't even teach it or the formulas to figure it. =_=
We did an social experiment on that very fact when I was younger. Something isn't universal unless it's universally know not known by region. The US aside I believe there's a handful of other countries who also don't use the international standard of measuring system but I can't remember them off the top of my head. But this is me talking to people who think DB = free items. I'm obviously wasting my time giving an explanation. >.>
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Roon on December 01, 2010, 06:00:48 pm
Haruwa, basically, you were rude and made a comment that was unnecessary. RO isn't a fucking school subject, and math is a well known universal language. Numbers will mean the same thing everywhere, so your silly 2+2 argument applies. Instead of bashing someone for not knowing something, you can help them, or you can walk away. All you're doing now is trying to insist someone is stupid or lazy for not knowing something, ergo, being rude and unhelpful.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Duplighost on December 01, 2010, 07:09:36 pm
Haruwa, basically, you were rude and made a comment that was unnecessary. RO isn't a fucking school subject, and math is a well known universal language. Numbers will mean the same thing everywhere, so your silly 2+2 argument applies. Instead of bashing someone for not knowing something, you can help them, or you can walk away. All you're doing now is trying to insist someone is stupid or lazy for not knowing something, ergo, being rude and unhelpful.
Agreed. Haruwa, you know you were rude. If a question is asked seriously, he/she deserves a serious response.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Grope on December 01, 2010, 08:51:43 pm
Wasn't there an entire bitchfest topic made by Haruwa dedicated to people needing to respect each other?
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Haruwa on December 01, 2010, 11:27:19 pm
Whatever Roon. This fell into the don't care category for me so continue if you want but I can't be bothered with it anymore. Truth be told there were a lot of worse things I could have said beyond a simple facepalm. Don't overreact so much especially to a semi-harmless and maybe, just maybe, I won't say something that actually goes into the realm of being "rude". It's not like I need to listen to you in anything and it's not like you can understand any point that differs from yours, even if your is wrong, when your being outright pissy.
Enjoy talking to yourself as I, unlike some people, have the willpower to ignore someone for a long time when they decide to be irritating and whiny when I'm not in the mood for them. =p
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Grope on December 02, 2010, 06:21:06 am
So you're saying you're better than dandin and deserve more respect
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Haruwa on December 02, 2010, 07:21:32 am
Not everyone knows everything Haruwa, that comment was unnecessary.
Not really...
It should be pretty obvious that an item with the only purpose of summoning a random monster/MVP wouldn't magically give items just for using it like an OCA etc would. Sure you can kill whatever it spawns for items/exp but... that's about it. Missing that is almost as bad as messing up 2+2=4 or that the sky looks blue during the day...
Truth be told neither DB or BB actually give items at all hence why what you said just confused them. =3= But whatever, I'm kinda moody so I don't think anything I say right now comes out very nicely.
I'm sorry, I was under the assumption that not everyone can MVP easily. I have yet to successfully MvP, I'm dirt poor and can't. Therefore, logically speaking, at least in terms of the general populace of players that don't have large parties to MVP with, saying that wasn't obvious to me.
I apologize for my ignorance. I hope some day I will have enough knowledge in this game that I won't need to ask questions that appear stupid.
Title: Re: Is BB legal in Niff?
Post by: Schrodinger on December 04, 2010, 12:10:18 pm
Don't worry about it Dandin, everyone has to start at some point. Nobody just starts out with top gear, although some people can't help their snobby attitudes.
To reiterate what everyone else has said, breaking branches isn't illegal in Niff, but we do have some failsafes in case people can't kill them, mvp's summoned by bloody branches, will disappear in a few hours, so if a monster there is giving you issue, take a break, go hang out with some friends for a bit, come back later.
To identify the difference between bloody branches, and dead branches, Bloody branches will summon mvp's, where as dead branches will summon normal monsters (and some mini bosses).
And to correct someone earlier in the topic... Niff is actually the first map of skellington, not the last, it's nif_fild01, then the map over is 02, then niffleheim itself.